Ohio is sending troopers and $2.5 million to a city that has seen an influx of Haitian migrants

[thegeneral 2,910]

6 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

hopefully, they can go back to pirating the carribean

 

They are about to get super rich with overtime not being taxed. Going to really see some crazy rent when they are flush with cash!

[purdygood 334]

8 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

hopefully, they can go back to pirating the carribean

 

Yo ho yo ho a haitian life for me! Send them to Orlando!

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

1 minute ago, purdygood said:

Yo ho yo ho a haitian life for me! Send them to Orlando!

sounds like a plan, although might be racist

 

[purdygood 334]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

sounds like a plan, although might be racist

 

They can work the rides and the weather will be more like they are used to. Winter is coming. 

[TimHauck 2,619]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

That's a lot of links, but I don't see anything about jobs the local people wouldn't do. 

Also, your links, particularly the first, outline both the bad and the good of having so many new people there.  Costs like Medicaid, translation services, rising rents (which you acknowledged above).

Well there were more openings than unemployed people, and there were still unemployed people, so unless all those openings were high skill jobs, it would imply that some unemployed people chose not to work, right?  I mean, have you seen some of these people being interviewed?

I also never said there was nothing bad that has occurred as a result of the influx of Haitians, and have specifically mentioned some of the issues that are actually real.  Overall, there’s a decent argument that they’ve been a net positive compared to before they arrived, when population and incomes were declining, and abandoned buildings were increasing.

[jerryskids 6,567]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well there were more openings than unemployed people, and there were still unemployed people, so unless all those openings were high skill jobs, it would imply that some unemployed people chose not to work, right?  I mean, have you seen some of these people being interviewed?

I also never said there was nothing bad that has occurred as a result of the influx of Haitians, and have specifically mentioned some of the issues that are actually real.  Overall, there’s a decent argument that they’ve been a net positive compared to before they arrived, when population and incomes were declining, and abandoned buildings were increasing.

Well, no.  Perhaps the companies prefer to hire Haitians because they can exploit them more?

This is why I asked for links, not your opinionated conclusion.

[squistion 1,952]

It was never about being here legally or illegally, it is all about skin color:

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1834670919534485986

Trump now says he wants to deport Haitian migrants — who are in the country legally — from Springfield, Ohio to Venezuela. Deport legal migrants.

[TimHauck 2,619]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, no.  Perhaps the companies prefer to hire Haitians because they can exploit them more?

This is why I asked for links, not your opinionated conclusion.

So quoting the Director of workforce development for the greater Springfield partnership is giving my opinionated conclusion, got it.

[thegeneral 2,910]

Florida has a few hundred thousand Haitians. Wonder what they think.

[jonnyutah 248]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

It was never about being here legally or illegally, it is all about skin color:

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1834670919534485986

Trump now says he wants to deport Haitian migrants — who are in the country legally — from Springfield, Ohio to Venezuela. Deport legal migrants.

We deport "legal migrants" all the time dipshit. 

[squistion 1,952]

2 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

We deport "legal migrants" all the time dipshit. 

And I put on ignore people who call me names like that.

Bye Bye Johnny! 

[jonnyutah 248]

6 minutes ago, squistion said:

And I put on ignore people who call me names like that.

Bye Bye Johnny! 

I think he really thinks this means i get sent somewhere.

[jerryskids 6,567]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So quoting the Director of workforce development for the greater Springfield partnership is giving my opinionated conclusion, got it.

I've been perhaps too distracted today to follow what you are trying to say.  If so I apologize.  Can you provide the quote from the Director of workforce development again, or point to it?   

[jonnyutah 248]

So a woman goes outside to bring in her trashcans. Gets hit by a haitian driving like a haitian. She gets killed. 

They bring no charges against the haitian.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

6 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

So a woman goes outside to bring in her trashcans. Gets hit by a haitian driving like a haitian. She gets killed. 

They bring no charges against the haitian.

What size cans? 

[TimHauck 2,619]

16 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I've been perhaps too distracted today to follow what you are trying to say.  If so I apologize.  Can you provide the quote from the Director of workforce development again, or point to it?   

From first link I posted in the earlier reply to you (April 2022, no mention of Haitians):

“There are more openings than there are people right now to go into the workforce”

From second link (this week, about Haitians):

“We needed a workforce. They are coming in and they are working hard and they want to make money."

[jerryskids 6,567]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

From first link I posted in the earlier reply to you (April 2022, no mention of Haitians):

“There are more openings than there are people right now to go into the workforce”

From second link (this week, about Haitians):

“We needed a workforce. They are coming in and they are working hard and they want to make money."

OK.  So my problem with your conclusion is that I can't quite follow the timeline.  It seems to me that 2+ years ago, the city manager said the above quote.  Then since then, a bunch of Haitian migrants were shipped into town, and they filled jobs.

What I'm missing is in your first quote, were there people who could do the jobs, but wouldn't?

I'm not saying you are wrong in your conclusion.  I happen to think that we've, as a nation, created a welfare mindset that is unsustainable.  I've said before:  welfare only works if people don't want it.  That's not where we are.  This is a large reason why I oppose Harris and the progressive mindset, which refuses to acknowledge this reality and instead keeps throwing money at people who could work.  I think this is a much bigger issue than Haitians eating cats and geese in Ohio.

But I wanted to see the specific tie before I went there.  

[jonnyutah 248]

Haitian migrants get paid 9 bucks an hour and get all sorts of extras from the government.

Americans expect to get paid 16 bucks an hour and such a wage disqualifies them from pretty much all of those services. 

Business owners love it. Cheap wages. 

Charities love it because their revenues soar.

Real estate investors love it. Between the direct government cheddar and the NGO cheddar they get paid. Thats why some companies have bought as many as 60 properties in recent years. 

That's also why in the last two years the price of a home has gone up 50% in springfield. 

This stuff really is diabolical when you look at it and see how this is just a money scheme. 

[avoiding injuries 1,510]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What size cans? 

42 gallon

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Complete motions like Tim Hauck think that the 20k Haitians dumped in that community are all gainfully employed. The other dumb Tim too. 

[TimHauck 2,619]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

OK.  So my problem with your conclusion is that I can't quite follow the timeline.  It seems to me that 2+ years ago, the city manager said the above quote.  Then since then, a bunch of Haitian migrants were shipped into town, and they filled jobs.

What I'm missing is in your first quote, were there people who could do the jobs, but wouldn't?

I'm not saying you are wrong in your conclusion.  I happen to think that we've, as a nation, created a welfare mindset that is unsustainable.  I've said before:  welfare only works if people don't want it.  That's not where we are.  This is a large reason why I oppose Harris and the progressive mindset, which refuses to acknowledge this reality and instead keeps throwing money at people who could work.  I think this is a much bigger issue than Haitians eating cats and geese in Ohio.

But I wanted to see the specific tie before I went there.  

Here’s another article, but I’m guessing you’ll say The NY Times is too biased and the quote is not specific enough:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/03/us/springfield-ohio-school-bus-crash-haiti-immigrants.html?rsrc=flt&smid=url-share

For decades, Springfield had been another shrinking Midwestern town with an uncertain future.

Manufacturing plants had shuttered, fueling an exodus. Empty Victorian mansions on Fountain Avenue, erected for industrial barons, stood as relics of the town’s heyday.

The population dwindled to less than 60,000 by 2014, from more than 80,000 in 1960.

Around that time, Springfield crafted a strategic plan to attract business. City leaders pitched the town’s affordability, its work force development programs and its location, smack-dab between Columbus and Dayton and accessible to two interstates.

In 2017, Topre, a major Japanese auto parts manufacturer, picked Springfield for a new plant in a decaying part of town that had been the site of International Harvester, a farm equipment manufacturer that was once the biggest employer.

 

By 2020, Springfield had lured food-service firms, logistics companies and a microchip maker, among others, creating an estimated 8,000 new jobs and optimism for the future.

“It was incredible to witness the transformation of our community,” said Horton Hobbs, vice president of economic development for the Greater Springfield Partnership, which executed the plan.

But soon there were not enough workers. Many young, working-age people had descended into addiction. Others shunned entry-level, rote work altogether, employers said.

[TimHauck 2,619]

Topre is the only company named in the prior post.

Here is the announcement from before it opened, planning 85 jobs with an average pay of $19.50 per hour.

http://www.expandgreaterspringfield.com/sites-and-buildings/industrial-and-corporate-parks/p/item/730/springfield-welcomes-topre-america-ohio
 

And here is an announcement of them adding 71 more jobs in 2019 also citing $19.50 per hour

https://www.wdtn.com/news/local-news/71-new-jobs-coming-with-expansion-of-springfield-company/
 

Your first question may be, do we know Haitians are working at this particular plant?  Well, here’s an article about the same company hiring Haitians in Alabama.  I wonder where they got that idea?

https://www.cullmantribune.com/2024/05/10/fact-check-potential-topre-america-employees-not-undocumented/
 

Your next question may be are they exploiting the Haitians?  Maybe.  But the jobs were announced before the influx.   Is it possible the company planned on bringing the Haitians into Springfield from the start? Also maybe.   But if that’s the case the people’s issue should be with the company, not the Haitians.  I know “average pay” in job announcements are often inflated by the few high end salaries, I’d still bet they’re getting much more than $9 like @jonnyutah claims in his post full of lies

[TimHauck 2,619]

13 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

Haitian migrants get paid 9 bucks an hour and get all sorts of extras from the government.

Americans expect to get paid 16 bucks an hour and such a wage disqualifies them from pretty much all of those services. 

Business owners love it. Cheap wages. 

Charities love it because their revenues soar.

Real estate investors love it. Between the direct government cheddar and the NGO cheddar they get paid. Thats why some companies have bought as many as 60 properties in recent years. 

That's also why in the last two years the price of a home has gone up 50% in springfield. 

This stuff really is diabolical when you look at it and see how this is just a money scheme. 

I shared earlier that the use of government housing vouchers is actually down.  

New residents also create the need for additional jobs and businesses which can be filled by locals.

With the town in decline prior to the Haitians arrival, many properties went abandoned and property values were extremely low, and in fact are still very affordable for a location with available jobs (currently 25+ active listings for 3+ bedroom homes under $150k).  Still, +50% is a lie or based on bad data.  What is your source for this claim?  I have a guess but the only way you can get that is by not comparing like months as the data fluctuates by month.  Looks like it’s more like 25-30%.  Besides, I’m sure if prices were going down you’d be blaming that on Democrats or immigrants too.

https://www.redfin.com/city/18833/OH/Springfield/housing-market

[jonnyutah 248]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Topre is the only company named in the prior post.

Here is the announcement from before it opened, planning 85 jobs with an average pay of $19.50 per hour.

http://www.expandgreaterspringfield.com/sites-and-buildings/industrial-and-corporate-parks/p/item/730/springfield-welcomes-topre-america-ohio
 

And here is an announcement of them adding 71 more jobs in 2019 also citing $19.50 per hour

https://www.wdtn.com/news/local-news/71-new-jobs-coming-with-expansion-of-springfield-company/
 

Your first question may be, do we know Haitians are working at this particular plant?  Well, here’s an article about the same company hiring Haitians in Alabama.  I wonder where they got that idea?

https://www.cullmantribune.com/2024/05/10/fact-check-potential-topre-america-employees-not-undocumented/
 

Your next question may be are they exploiting the Haitians?  Maybe.  But the jobs were announced before the influx.   Is it possible the company planned on bringing the Haitians into Springfield from the start? Also maybe.   But if that’s the case the people’s issue should be with the company, not the Haitians.  I know “average pay” in job announcements are often inflated by the few high end salaries, I’d still bet they’re getting much more than $9 like @jonnyutah claims in his post full of lies

2019, lol

Do you know anything about this scenario?

Whats next testimonials from 2004 humane society volunteers?

[TimHauck 2,619]

11 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

2019, lol

Do you know anything about this scenario?

Whats next testimonials from 2004 humane society volunteers?

Cool, so would you agree with the following timeline:

1.  Jobs were brought to the area

2.  Locals/Americans had an opportunity to fill them, but for whatever reason did not.

3.  Haitians were brought in to fill the available jobs

?

Because that’s the conversation @jerryskids and I were having.  Also did you miss the third link from 2024?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Yeah Haitians! Sorry American citizens that live in communities where we stick thousands of them. Suck it up. 

[jonnyutah 248]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I shared earlier that the use of government housing vouchers is actually down.  

New residents also create the need for additional jobs and businesses which can be filled by locals.

With the town in decline prior to the Haitians arrival, many properties went abandoned and property values were extremely low, and in fact are still very affordable for a location with available jobs (currently 25+ active listings for 3+ bedroom homes under $150k).  Still, +50% is a lie or based on bad data.  What is your source for this claim?  I have a guess but the only way you can get that is by not comparing like months as the data fluctuates by month.  Looks like it’s more like 25-30%.  Besides, I’m sure if prices were going down you’d be blaming that on Democrats or immigrants too.

https://www.redfin.com/city/18833/OH/Springfield/housing-market

You shared earlier that your boyfriends sister heard from hank down the street that housing vouchers were down because he read it in a blog from somebody, maybe 

I love your real estate and rental assessments so far. 

Started by comparing home and rent prices to other cities. Then declaring false historical increases. Then revising those declarations.

Now searching redfin for listings under 150k as if that is relevant somehow. 

I got my housing increase numbers Here

Change the graph to two year. Oldest data point is 120k newest is 180k. Then do math. 

Speaking of redfin...i see they are the only site showing median price in the 150's wonder why you chose them, lol. 

In fact if you just google it, the AI generated quick summary gives you a number almost identical to what I used. If you dig you can find numbers higher. 

 

 

[TimHauck 2,619]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

You shared earlier that your boyfriends sister heard from hank down the street that housing vouchers were down because he read it in a blog from somebody, maybe 

I love your real estate and rental assessments so far. 

Started by comparing home and rent prices to other cities. Then declaring false historical increases. Then revising those declarations.

Now searching redfin for listings under 150k as if that is relevant somehow. 

I got my housing increase numbers Here

Change the graph to two year. Oldest data point is 120k newest is 180k. Then do math. 

Speaking of redfin...i see they are the only site showing median price in the 150's wonder why you chose them, lol. 

In fact if you just google it, the AI generated quick summary gives you a number almost identical to what I used. If you dig you can find numbers higher. 

 

 

No, housing vouchers being down was quoted in multiple articles.  Here is one:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/
 

It was actually one of your circle jerk buddies, @JuneJuly, that originally stated the rental price increase of 5.1%.  But as you can see, real estate data can be all over the place.  Seems odd to laugh at using Redfin when you used a similar site.  If I wanted to cherrypick, I would have used realtor.com which actually shows a decline in the median sales price compared to July 2022.

But % change only tells part of the story (and of course usually indicates a strong economy if increasing).  What the prices actually are and comparing to other places in the country is absolutely relevant.  There are not many places in the country with low unemployment and a median home price below $180k, or rentals for less than $800 like the average @JuneJuly stated or like the one lady in Oliveira’s video that was worried about being kicked out.   And if in fact the homes are commonly being fixed up like she claimed, then the more recent homes being sold are probably better on the whole than the ones being compared against from 2022.

[Horseman 2,366]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

You shared earlier that your boyfriends sister heard from hank down the street that housing vouchers were down because he read it in a blog from somebody, maybe 

I love your real estate and rental assessments so far. 

Started by comparing home and rent prices to other cities. Then declaring false historical increases. Then revising those declarations.

Now searching redfin for listings under 150k as if that is relevant somehow. 

I got my housing increase numbers Here

Change the graph to two year. Oldest data point is 120k newest is 180k. Then do math. 

Speaking of redfin...i see they are the only site showing median price in the 150's wonder why you chose them, lol. 

In fact if you just google it, the AI generated quick summary gives you a number almost identical to what I used. If you dig you can find numbers higher. 

 

 

[TimHauck 2,619]

7 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Are you @JuneJuly?  If so, he called one of your posts false.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

The animal shelters are releasing their worst and sending them to Ohio!

[IndyColtsFan 325]

On 9/13/2024 at 10:08 AM, jerryskids said:

So the AP leans left in my source, and in your source, and that's your big win?   

My source is easier to read:  they are in the same group as hack sources like NPR, USA Today, CNN, WaPo...  There are plenty listed in the center.  Reuters is pretty good, as are WSJ News and Real Clear Politics.

If you need any schooling in the journalism field, just let me know, I'm here to help.   

Again, what I said was that it ranked among the most unbiased and facts-based in the land, and your chart underscored that. 

This chart shows the WSJ - for which I have much respect - being more biased and less facts-based than the Associated Press.

https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/

We can agree on Reuters. 

My first checks throughout the day are aggregates Yahoo and Google, which carrying lots of CNN, Fox and other sources.

I check News Nation, which prides itself on being unbiased and facts-based. I'll check in on the more opinionated sites and go through the New York Times.

 

[purdygood 334]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

The animal shelters are releasing their worst and sending them to Ohio!

They're rapists and murderers. I assume some of them are good puppies. 

[jonnyutah 248]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

No, housing vouchers being down was quoted in multiple articles.  Here is one:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/
 

It was actually one of your circle jerk buddies, @JuneJuly, that originally stated the rental price increase of 5.1%.  But as you can see, real estate data can be all over the place.  Seems odd to laugh at using Redfin when you used a similar site.  If I wanted to cherrypick, I would have used realtor.com which actually shows a decline in the median sales price compared to July 2022.

But % change only tells part of the story (and of course usually indicates a strong economy if increasing).  What the prices actually are and comparing to other places in the country is absolutely relevant.  There are not many places in the country with low unemployment and a median home price below $180k, or rentals for less than $800 like the average @JuneJuly stated or like the one lady in Oliveira’s video that was worried about being kicked out.   And if in fact the homes are commonly being fixed up like she claimed, then the more recent homes being sold are probably better on the whole than the ones being compared against from 2022.

That reuters article is speaking specifically to "affordable housing vochers" aka section 8. 

There are many vouchers available to haitian immigrants that are not available to wypipo. 

This is why adding bedrooms can be so important. 

[jonnyutah 248]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

No, housing vouchers being down was quoted in multiple articles.  Here is one:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/haitian-immigrants-fueled-springfields-growth-now-us-presidential-debate-2024-09-11/
 

It was actually one of your circle jerk buddies, @JuneJuly, that originally stated the rental price increase of 5.1%.  But as you can see, real estate data can be all over the place.  Seems odd to laugh at using Redfin when you used a similar site.  If I wanted to cherrypick, I would have used realtor.com which actually shows a decline in the median sales price compared to July 2022.

But % change only tells part of the story (and of course usually indicates a strong economy if increasing).  What the prices actually are and comparing to other places in the country is absolutely relevant.  There are not many places in the country with low unemployment and a median home price below $180k, or rentals for less than $800 like the average @JuneJuly stated or like the one lady in Oliveira’s video that was worried about being kicked out.   And if in fact the homes are commonly being fixed up like she claimed, then the more recent homes being sold are probably better on the whole than the ones being compared against from 2022.

You made statements on your own about rents. 

You have now backtracked. 

No. Comparing to other places is not freaking relevant. Otherwise when discussing changes in a market, some fool could come in and say a three bedroom place in DC is more expensive and think they won the argument. 

Like what you are doing now. Lol.

[TimHauck 2,619]

13 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

You made statements on your own about rents. 

You have now backtracked. 

No. Comparing to other places is not freaking relevant. Otherwise when discussing changes in a market, some fool could come in and say a three bedroom place in DC is more expensive and think they won the argument. 

Like what you are doing now. Lol.

Lol, I wasn’t comparing to a specific city, I was comparing to the country as a whole.

[TimHauck 2,619]

5 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Cool, so would you agree with the following timeline:

1.  Jobs were brought to the area

2.  Locals/Americans had an opportunity to fill them, but for whatever reason did not.

3.  Haitians were brought in to fill the available jobs

?

Because that’s the conversation @jerryskids and I were having.  Also did you miss the third link from 2024?

@jonnyutah, curious your thoughts on this?

[TimHauck 2,619]

On 9/13/2024 at 3:15 PM, jerryskids said:

Well, no.  Perhaps the companies prefer to hire Haitians because they can exploit them more?

This is why I asked for links, not your opinionated conclusion.

This CEO was also quoted in one of the other threads if you hadn’t seen:

Jamie McGregor, CEO, McGregor Metal:

It started slowly. We had an application pool that was a little bit different.

 

William Brangham:

People coming to work here.

 

Jamie McGregor:

People looking for jobs.

What he is welding here, again, are welded axle components.

 

William Brangham:

Jamie McGregor is the CEO of McGregor Metal, which makes welded parts for the auto and farm industries. Right now, about 10 percent of his work force is Haitian, over 30 employees.

 

Jamie McGregor:

I wish I had 30 more. Our Haitian associates come to work every day. They don't have a drug problem. They will stay at their machine. They will achieve their numbers. They are here to work. And so, in general, that's a stark difference from what were used to in our community.

 

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/ohio-city-with-haitian

 

[squistion 1,952]

What is wrong with him?

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1835307589044744608

JD Vance is continuing this morning to spread racist lies about Haitian migrants — in this country legally — in Springfield.

 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

What is wrong with him?

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1835307589044744608

JD Vance is continuing this morning to spread racist lies about Haitian migrants — in this country legally — in Springfield.

 

Vance is such a piece of sh1t. I feel bad for his wife, she seems like a decent person and now she’s gotta be associated with this sh1t