I figured out the defining characteristic that makes someone a lifelong liberal

[OldMaid 2,129]

16 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Yes I believe it.  They were not throwing Molotov cocktails at law enforcement, they were not weaponized, and killing people. They did not have an organized unified effort to take over the government, they were a very small group of idiots from a massive presence at the capital.

If you think those bozos and the old women who wandered into the building after federal agents opened the doors and stood down were actually trying to take over the nation, then game over, you are beyond help. 

There’s a pretty good documentary on HBO called Stopping the Steal, you should check it out.

When Trump ran out of legitimate legal challenges (which he was entitled to do) that’s when things start getting shady. They mounted an immense pressure campaign on elected Republican officials to “do the right thing". That translated into stating there was fraud/finding votes/setting aside Biden’s electors and switching them out with ones for Trump. When that ultimately failed, they tried to convince Pence he had the power to not certify the election. Jan 6th was the final push to try and intimidate Pence into doing just that.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

7 minutes ago, jbycho said:

I don't expect you to understand. I didn't mean to infer you could process that. Get some rest.

You're starting to spiral here.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

4 hours ago, jonmx said:

I never said every person in every institution is corrupt.  I have spent many years inside one of those three-letter institutions.   I know the people and I understand how and why these institutions are inheriently corrupt.   

The culture inside the institutions is one of strict compliance to numerous rules and regulations.   It Is a culture of not rocking the boat and going along with the nonsense.  The average worker is held to strict compliance standards and whistleblowing against leadershio can have severe consequences.

The problem is not the workers at the lower level or even the lower level leadership.   The problem is at the top and the structure of our institutions.   We created a country which had checks and balances between the Congress, the white house and the federal courts.  When we had a small government those checks and balances worked great.  

But what happened?  We created this army of bureaucracies inside the executive branch which has enormous powers over every individual and business in this country.  They can destroy anyone at anytime with millions of rules which they created that greatly expanded the actual laws that were passed legally by Congress. 

And the biggest problem is there is zero visibility or accountability.  A federal bureaucracy can target and abuse individual citizens and there is no recourse as the federal employee and agency enjoy immunity.  Congress can pull these agencies in hearings and they can continously stonewall claiming some sort of classification level or some endlessly on-going investigation, and there is nothing Congress can do, unless they defund the entire agency over it.  

Federal agencies are empowered to spy on anyone at anytime, freeze their accounts, raid their homes....and there is not a damn thing anyone can do unless the President himself comes to the rescue.  Good luck getting that.

It is absurd how much we have empowered these agencies and how there is no real constraints on what they can do.  Currently these abuses are targetter to Trump, pro-trump media, pro-trump supporters, and anti-establishment types.  So most people are OK.  The power structure is in place for totalitarianism, so with a flip of a switch all citizens can kiss what little remains of our constitutionally protected rights goodbye.  

Trump will make a dent into this corrupt power structure, but I doubt he will fix it.   He may even won't be able to resist the temptation to use it against those who have targetted him.  Biden has already taken this to a level we have never seen before.   He has spend vast resources targeting Trump, media, and protestors.   

Our country is not in a great place, but Trump at least offers some hope of putting some bandaids on....but our free society is on life-support.  

Whistle blowing like Boeing witnesses winding up dead

[RLLD 4,143]

24 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

There’s a pretty good documentary on HBO called Stopping the Steal, you should check it out.

When Trump ran out of legitimate legal challenges (which he was entitled to do) that’s when things start getting shady. They mounted an immense pressure campaign on elected Republican officials to “do the right thing". That translated into stating there was fraud/finding votes/setting aside Biden’s electors and switching them out with ones for Trump. When that ultimately failed, they tried to convince Pence he had the power to not certify the election. Jan 6th was the final push to try and intimidate Pence into doing just that.

That has the classic earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign

[supermike80 1,803]

26 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

There’s a pretty good documentary on HBO called Stopping the Steal, you should check it out.

When Trump ran out of legitimate legal challenges (which he was entitled to do) that’s when things start getting shady. They mounted an immense pressure campaign on elected Republican officials to “do the right thing". That translated into stating there was fraud/finding votes/setting aside Biden’s electors and switching them out with ones for Trump. When that ultimately failed, they tried to convince Pence he had the power to not certify the election. Jan 6th was the final push to try and intimidate Pence into doing just that.

Ive asked this before. Say its all true.  Whats your point?  4 years ago and it wont happen again. Trump can only serve 2 terms. Why is this still something youre clinging to

[OldMaid 2,129]

Just now, RLLD said:

That has the classic earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign

 Yeah, I guess that’s why a bunch of Trump’s lawyers were disbarred and the fake electors are being sent to jail. Or why Trump is desperate to dismiss the Jack Smith case. Talk about not being able to interpret a pattern…

[jerryskids 6,561]

42 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

There are way too many people that are accurately described by that though.  They are the extreme conservatives.

In the same post you say "way too many" and "extreme conservatives."  By definition, the "extreme" of anything is at the far end of the spectrum.  But apparently you've drunk the MSDNC koolaid that most anyone right of Mao is an "extreme MAGA conservative$#@!"

This can be a fun game, let me try.

Liberals support Hamas terrorists.  There are way too many people that are actually described by that though.  They are extreme Leftists.

... transing kids.

... men competing in women's sports.

... wide open borders.

 

[OldMaid 2,129]

Just now, supermike80 said:

Ive asked this before. Say its all true.  Whats your point?  4 years ago and it wont happen again. Trump can only serve 2 terms. Why is this still something youre clinging to

You really need to ask that? If he would go to those lengths to stay in power, you don’t think he’d try some more shenanigans? What he did is disgraceful and disqualifying. He’s tried to shatter just about every norm he comes across, I can definitely see him pushing against the 2 term limit. Not saying he’d be successful, but do we really want to put ourselves through that? That’s a hard pass for me.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

In the same post you say "way too many" and "extreme conservatives."  By definition, the "extreme" of anything is at the far end of the spectrum.  But apparently you've drunk the MSDNC koolaid that most anyone right of Mao is an "extreme MAGA conservative$#@!"

This can be a fun game, let me try.

Liberals support Hamas terrorists.  There are way too many people that are actually described by that though.  They are extreme Leftists.

... transing kids.

... men competing in women's sports.

... wide open borders.

 

"Way too many" is not a specific number.  It's a generalization of there being more people than I think there should be.  My opinion is there are more and more people shifting to the fringe of the left and right.  What was wrong with what I said?

[RLLD 4,143]

14 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

 Yeah, I guess that’s why a bunch of Trump’s lawyers were disbarred and the fake electors are being sent to jail. Or why Trump is desperate to dismiss the Jack Smith case. Talk about not being able to interpret a pattern…

Sorry, not my rule, when something arises that might tend to negatively impact a candidate, we call it Russian disinformation.....take it up with Democrats if you find it unpalatable.

[jerryskids 6,561]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

"Way too many" is not a specific number.  It's a generalization of there being more people than I think there should be.  My opinion is there are more and more people shifting to the fringe of the left and right.  What was wrong with what I said?

Nothing I guess.  With your new definition of "way too many", I stand by my previous post as well.   

But more to your concern, I would in general prefer that people get their moral guidance from the Bible than from Tik Tok and Tumblr.

[jbycho 589]

42 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You're starting to spiral here.

Not really. But we completely disagree. There is no spiraling. Go check out videos of the 2020 violence vs. the fake insurrection. 

You probably won't. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Nothing I guess.  With your new definition of "way too many", I stand by my previous post as well.   

But more to your concern, I would in general prefer that people get their moral guidance from the Bible than from Tik Tok and Tumblr.

How is what I said a new definition?

[OldMaid 2,129]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Sorry, not my rule, when something arises that might tend to negatively impact a candidate, we call it Russian disinformation.....take it up with Democrats if you find it unpalatable.

I humbly accept your defeat.

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, OldMaid said:

I humbly accept your defeat.

Thank you for accepting the new way for  candidate absolution.  

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

Not really. But we completely disagree. There is no spiraling. Go check out videos of the 2020 violence vs. the fake insurrection. 

That isn't a comparable event so I don't know why you feel the need to justify what happened at the Capitol by using it.  Is what happened too embarrassing for you to actually admit what it was?  Unless you were there, I don't know why anyone would defend those that were guilty.

[jerryskids 6,561]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How is what I said a new definition?

I dunno, to me, "way too many" implies a strong majority.  I've adjusted my definition to "more than zero is too many for me subjectively, but I don't have a range in mind."   

 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, jerryskids said:

I dunno, to me, "way too many" implies a strong majority.  I've adjusted my definition to "more than zero is too many for me subjectively, but I don't have a range in mind."   

 

Exactly.  It's subjective.  For example:  How many serial child molesters is way too many?  I would say 1 is way too many.  How many naked, beautiful women are way too many?  I can't even think of a number high enough.

[jbycho 589]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That isn't a comparable event so I don't know why you feel the need to justify what happened at the Capitol by using it.  Is what happened too embarrassing for you to actually admit what it was?  Unless you were there, I don't know why anyone would defend those that were guilty.

Yes it is. And I never justified a bunch of weakling assh0les causing disruption at the capital. There are plenty of videos showing no one took it seriously at the time. The security was just standing down opening the doors and setting it all up. 

This is a serious question. Do you really think those dopes thought they were actually trying to  take over the government of the US? 

Please say 'yes'. 

It's comparable only in crazy minds. let's compare the violence caused. 

[OldMaid 2,129]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Thank you for accepting the new way for  candidate absolution.  

lolz

[jerryskids 6,561]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Exactly.  It's subjective.  For example:  How many serial child molesters is way too many?  I would say 1 is way too many.  How many naked, beautiful women are way too many?  I can't even think of a number high enough.

OK. You said that there are more people guided by the Bible and overly believe in Trump than you would like.  I said there are more people who support Hamas, transing kids, men in women's sports, and wide open border than I would like.  

I think we are in agreement.   

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

3 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Yes it is. And I never justified a bunch of weakling assh0les causing disruption at the capital. There are plenty of videos showing no one took it seriously at the time. The security was just standing down opening the doors and setting it all up. 

This is a serious question. Do you really think those dopes thought they were actually trying to  take over the government of the US? 

Please say 'yes'. 

It's comparable only in crazy minds. let's compare the violence caused. 

I believe the majority of all those people were just going along with the crowd.  I 100% believe that there were some that thought they could make a difference.  These delusional people exist and are very encouraged by people like Trump.   I'm thinking you may be one as well.

[supermike80 1,803]

27 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

You really need to ask that? If he would go to those lengths to stay in power, you don’t think he’d try some more shenanigans? What he did is disgraceful and disqualifying. He’s tried to shatter just about every norm he comes across, I can definitely see him pushing against the 2 term limit. Not saying he’d be successful, but do we really want to put ourselves through that? That’s a hard pass for me.

Yeah im not remotely worried about it.  Remember whe ln there was talk about a clinton or obama third term?  It happened

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

OK. You said that there are more people guided by the Bible and overly believe in Trump than you would like.  I said there are more people who support Hamas, transing kids, men in women's sports, and wide open border than I would like.  

I think we are in agreement.   

Yes.  We are in agreement.

[OldMaid 2,129]

28 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Yeah im not remotely worried about it.  Remember whe ln there was talk about a clinton or obama third term?  It happened

Not as anything more than a joke, no. And if there was, nothing in their past behavior would indicate that they would have been open to the idea, either.

Listen, if you can support what he tried to do, more power to you. To me, it’s the ultimate line that should not have been crossed, and I honestly think this election result will reflect that. 

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, OldMaid said:

Not as anything more than a joke, no. And if there was, nothing in their past behavior would indicate that they would have been open to the idea, either.

Listen, if you can support what he tried to do, more power to you. To me, it’s the ultimate line that should not have been crossed, and I honestly think this election result will reflect that. 

Oh....so that was just joking.....  so then, we should not pretend that.....THOSE suggestions were a threat......OK....y'know, that does make sense. I mean, a person of reasonable common sense and humor can see that.....

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

The over running of the Capital building was disorderly, it was in many instances riotous.  Did it rise to insurrection seeking through disruption to delay certification of an election, not in my mind.  There was no attempt to coopt the military or to achive command and control of the country, but it was close to insurrection in a few regards, including the hope by some that they could install new electors not properly approved of by their State's processes.  I think we need a new term and definition to define and describe what happened, something short of insurrection but beyond petulent acting out and rioting.  May I suggest the new term Trumpgasm to describe the event.

[OldMaid 2,129]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Oh....so that was just joking.....  so then, we should not pretend that.....THOSE suggestions were a threat......OK....y'know, that does make sense. I mean, a person of reasonable common sense and humor can see that.....

I guess you stopped reading after the 7th word.

Seriously Ray, if you keep throwing guns like this you’re gonna get arrested for weapons trafficking. 

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

The over running of the Capital building was disorderly, it was in many instances riotous.  Did it rise to insurrection seeking through disruption to delay certification of an election, not in my mind.  There was no attempt to coopt the military or to achive command and control of the country, but it was close to insurrection in a few regards, including the hope by some that they could install new electors not properly approved of by their State's processes.  I think we need a new term and definition to define and describe what happened, something short of insurrection but beyond petulent acting out and rioting.  May I suggest the new term Trumpgasm to describe the event.

I wonder, should we not  gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well?

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, OldMaid said:

I guess you stopped reading after the 7th word.

Seriously Ray, if you keep throwing guns like this you’re gonna get arrested for weapons trafficking. 

Perhaps we should wait for a Democrat to joke before we can again accept humor?   Do let us know what is and is not "humorous"....by all means.

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I wonder, should we not  gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well?

I apologize but I do not take your meaning here.  

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

I apologize but I do not take your meaning here.  

Well, when BLM was rioting in Baltimore based on the lies of racism.....the mayor assured us that     "I made it very clear that I work with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech," Rawlings-Blake said. "It's a very delicate balancing act. Because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate."

Given the lack of pushback on this....coupled with the obvious allowance for rioting to run rampant in further support of the racism lie in other cities.....I would think that Democrats would look upon January 6th as absolute flattery....given that they showed people how....and then people followed along.

[OldMaid 2,129]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Perhaps we should wait for a Democrat to joke before we can again accept humor?   Do let us know what is and is not "humorous"....by all means.

 You’re going off on a tangent that I don’t think is productive to moving the conversation forward.

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, OldMaid said:

 You’re going off on a tangent that I don’t think is productive to moving the conversation forward.

Oh, right, well, tell us all how we should be acting, of course...by all means....

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

Guys that put the puzzy on a pedestal are usually (always) libtards. 

[purdygood 334]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Guys that put the puzzy on a pedestal are usually (always) libtards. 

I don't know about that.  Have you seen some of these MAGA wife's ?  Cletus should have left Bertha after her weight started with a 3 years ago.  Yet, he stays with her. On child number 7. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

3 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I don't know about that.  Have you seen some of these MAGA wife's ?  Cletus should have left Bertha after her weight started with a 3 years ago.  Yet, he stays with her. On child number 7. 

Painful. You should be on Saturday Night Live.  Your character could be boring obvious guy that thinks he’s funny.   

[HellToupee 1,585]

6 minutes ago, purdygood said:

I don't know about that.  Have you seen some of these MAGA wife's ?  Cletus should have left Bertha after her weight started with a 3 years ago.  Yet, he stays with her. On child number 7. 

How progressive of you. You’re probably the type of lib that puts people down because of their sexuality 

[jbycho 589]

It's ignorance. 

[purdygood 334]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Painful. You should be on Saturday Night Live.  Your character could be boring obvious guy that thinks he’s funny.   

Like every SNL character. Guess I'd fit right in.  Someone call Lorne!