Cdub100 3,903 Posted October 28, 2024 6 minutes ago, jonmx said: And the production of electricity to charge the batteries is still not green. Until we go nuclear, the whole point of the electric vehicle makes no sense. I agree Nuclear is far and away the best energy source. Unfortunately, the NIMBY thinking limit it. That being said, I would argue solar panels and energy storage have reached the technological capability to allow every house to be "off-grid". I also understand the environmental impact solar has and nuclear is clearer. No argument from me. I just don't think the impact is as bad for solar as the anti-environment would make it out to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted October 28, 2024 7 minutes ago, jonmx said: And the production of electricity to charge the batteries is still not green. Until we go nuclear, the whole point of the electric vehicle makes no sense. The air certainly seemed to be a lot cleaner for a few months there when no cars were on the road in 2020 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,017 Posted October 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, thegeneral said: The air certainly seemed to be a lot cleaner for a few months there when no cars were on the road in 2020 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted October 28, 2024 5 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: I agree Nuclear is far and away the best energy source. Unfortunately, the NIMBY thinking limit it. That being said, I would argue solar panels and energy storage have reached the technological capability to allow every house to be "off-grid". I also understand the environmental impact solar has and nuclear is clearer. No argument from me. I just don't think the impact is as bad for solar as the anti-environment would make it out to be. Being against stupid ideas is not anti-envirnment. Even solar has a massive impact as the mining of materials and production and disposal of panels offsets much of their benefit. Only a couple countries have made real strides in going green, that is France which went heavy into nuclear and Canada who went heavy into Hydro-electricity. Countries like Germany who went heavily into the solar and wind route failed miserably. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted October 28, 2024 5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: What would you attribute that to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,017 Posted October 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, jonmx said: Being against stupid ideas is not anti-envirnment. Even solar has a massive impact as the mining of materials and production and disposal of panels offsets much of their benefit. Only a couple countries have made real strides in going green, that is France which went heavy into nuclear and Canada who went heavy into Hydro-electricity. Countries like Germany who went heavily into the solar and wind route failed miserably. Wind farms have got to be the dumbest thing anyone has ever bought into. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,208 Posted October 28, 2024 4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Wind farms have got to be the dumbest thing anyone has ever bought into. The Peefoam of the energy producing sector many people say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frozenbeernuts 2,258 Posted October 28, 2024 39 minutes ago, Cdub100 said: I agree Nuclear is far and away the best energy source. Unfortunately, the NIMBY thinking limit it. That being said, I would argue solar panels and energy storage have reached the technological capability to allow every house to be "off-grid". I also understand the environmental impact solar has and nuclear is clearer. No argument from me. I just don't think the impact is as bad for solar as the anti-environment would make it out to be. As solar becomes even more efficient it will become a much better source. It's still at the point where the environmental issues it causes are not worth using on a large scale. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Horseman 2,452 Posted October 28, 2024 1 hour ago, thegeneral said: How many times did you get to completion during your numerous listens Don't blame you for the grade school deflection. Reality must be setting in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,911 Posted October 28, 2024 22 minutes ago, thegeneral said: The Peefoam of the energy producing sector many people say. Outlawing gas stoves and grills will save the planet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cdub100 3,903 Posted October 28, 2024 18 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: As solar becomes even more efficient it will become a much better source. It's still at the point where the environmental issues it causes are not worth using on a large scale. That's why I said household. I think every house should have solar and battery storage. I don't care about the environment impact. Like everything else dig a hole in the ground get the lithium or whatever else is needed and fill it back in. The impact is over accounted for. Eta - the technology is ready now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 2,858 Posted November 6, 2024 On 10/26/2024 at 9:13 AM, TimHauck said: I live in NC and will probably only vote in 3 races, Trump, and 2 Dems - Stein for governor (moreso a vote against Mark Robinson), and Jeff Jackson for attorney general who I do genuinely like. 3 for 3! (I did end up voting in a few other races though) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites