Discussion of Concerns for Trump Presidency

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Pfizer CEO says you tin foil hat wearers are crazy

https://www.reuters.com/article/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-ceo-we-didnt-delay-vaccine-results-until-after-election-idUSKBN27X2N2/

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Jerry wanna talk about those 100% tariffs now?

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Just now, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Pfizer CEO says you tin foil hat wearers are crazy

Because he's the CEO of Pfizer you idiot  

Why are you so vested??? Vaccines cause autism, so what? 

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And another one.  In here it states that they need 2 months of safety data, like topol said.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/16/pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-authorization-election-429797

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Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Because he's the CEO of Pfizer you idiot  

Why are you so vested??? Vaccines cause autism, so what? 

My God you people are so dumb dumb

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3 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

My God you people are so dumb dumb

You're dumb because you fall for it every time you idiot  

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17 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Also here is a fact check article that disputes everything you've said

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/18/fact-check-pfizer-received-covid-vaccine-data-after-election-day/6267242002/

Nice headline reading of USAToday... if you read the article, you'd see that nothing conflicts with what Tim and I have been saying.  Specifically:

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Pfizer considered releasing results from 32 cases, but decided it was more scientifically sound to wait for more cases 

It is true that Pfizer had scheduled the first analysis of its data after 32 of its 30,000 trial participants reported cases of COVID-19 — and thought it'd be ready before Election Day.

In September, Borula told the Today Show that the company's model "predicts that we will have an answer by the end of October," though he noted that it was the "best case" prediction.

But on an earnings call on Oct. 27, just a week prior to Election Day, Pfizer said the 32-case mark had not yet been achieved, per Fox Business.

Numerous members of the scientific community — including scientists at the Food and Drug Administration — also expressed concerns that data based on only 32 cases was insufficient, according to the Washington Post. In late October, a vaccine advisory committee at the FDA "ridiculed" the concept of reporting data on just 32 cases.

Not long after, Pfizer revised its protocol to wait for 62 cases — and ended up with 94 cases of COVID-19 among 44,000 trial participants.

15 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Pfizer CEO says you tin foil hat wearers are crazy

https://www.reuters.com/article/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-ceo-we-didnt-delay-vaccine-results-until-after-election-idUSKBN27X2N2/

So... it is true that Pfizer had scheduled a release at 32 events, then "numerous members" of the scientific community (Topol) -- and the FDA, with Topol's urging -- decided at the last minute that that wasn't enough.

And shockingly, the CEO of Pfizer decided it wasn't in his or his company's best interest to go against the FDA.  Did I say shocking?  I'm shocked!

Cmon man...  

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25 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Jerry wanna talk about those 100% tariffs now?

I already told you that a Google search seemed to corroborate your post, and I'd be looking for reports from the MSDNC to this effect, because if true, they would absolutely jump all over this.  

As of now, I don't see that.  Nobody seems to be talking about it.  

https://www.google.com/search?q=howard+lutnick+auto+tariffs+fact+check&sca_esv=c64f92f75d6f9f24&sxsrf=ADLYWIL-of33HY80JtEJDPFWinwPK7367g%3A1732148067982&ei=Y3s-Z-jTO9XAkPIPqPajqQs&ved=0ahUKEwiokamykuyJAxVVIEQIHSj7KLUQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=howard+lutnick+auto+tariffs+fact+check&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiJmhvd2FyZCBsdXRuaWNrIGF1dG8gdGFyaWZmcyBmYWN0IGNoZWNrMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABSNFpUMkKWMtecAN4AJABAJgB_gGgAeEWqgEGMy4yMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIZoAKqFMICCxAAGIAEGLADGKIEwgIHECMYsAIYJ8ICCBAAGIAEGKIEwgIIEAAYogQYiQXCAgoQIRigARjDBBgKmAMAiAYBkAYCkgcGNi4xOC4xoAfoZQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

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47 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Nice headline reading of USAToday... if you read the article, you'd see that nothing conflicts with what Tim and I have been saying.  Specifically:

So... it is true that Pfizer had scheduled a release at 32 events, then "numerous members" of the scientific community (Topol) -- and the FDA, with Topol's urging -- decided at the last minute that that wasn't enough.

And shockingly, the CEO of Pfizer decided it wasn't in his or his company's best interest to go against the FDA.  Did I say shocking?  I'm shocked!

Cmon man...  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/11/trump-angry-about-pfizer-vaccine/

Th FDA had warned Pfizer early on that 32 wasn't enough.  Then when cases started rising in the fall they got to a larger number anyway.

From the start of the Pfizer trial, the FDA was concerned that 32 cases would be too few and urged the company to wait for more cases, Kathrin Jansen, head of vaccine research and development for Pfizer, said in an interview.

“We heard the FDA, but we were concerned it would take us too long to get to the cases” if it raised the number for the first analysis, Jansen said. “And so the FDA said, ‘Okay, fine, it’s your trial.’ ”

But many in the scientific community expressed concerns that reporting interim data based on just 32 positive cases was insufficient.

By the fall, FDA officials, hoping to reassure scientists and the public, were stressing they would apply a rigorous new standard before authorizing a vaccine — one that would be roughly comparable to full approval.

 

 

But when the agency tried to publish that new standard, which required two months of follow-up safety data on half the participants, the White House tried to block it, realizing the guidelines made it extremely unlikely a vaccine could be authorized before the election. 

The new standards meant Pfizer would not have sufficient safety data to apply for an emergency authorization until the second half of November. As cases began to surge in mid-October, Pfizer’s scientists considered simply waiting to do their first analysis at 62 cases, which would provide more confidence about the result and wouldn’t cause much of a delay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/11/trump-angry-about-pfizer-vaccine/

If anyone was playing politics with the vaccine it was trump who tried everything to get it approved before election Day.

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I already told you that a Google search seemed to corroborate your post, and I'd be looking for reports from the MSDNC to this effect, because if true, they would absolutely jump all over this.  

As of now, I don't see that.  Nobody seems to be talking about it.  

https://www.google.com/search?q=howard+lutnick+auto+tariffs+fact+check&sca_esv=c64f92f75d6f9f24&sxsrf=ADLYWIL-of33HY80JtEJDPFWinwPK7367g%3A1732148067982&ei=Y3s-Z-jTO9XAkPIPqPajqQs&ved=0ahUKEwiokamykuyJAxVVIEQIHSj7KLUQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=howard+lutnick+auto+tariffs+fact+check&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiJmhvd2FyZCBsdXRuaWNrIGF1dG8gdGFyaWZmcyBmYWN0IGNoZWNrMgUQIRigATIFECEYoAEyBRAhGKABSNFpUMkKWMtecAN4AJABAJgB_gGgAeEWqgEGMy4yMS4xuAEDyAEA-AEBmAIZoAKqFMICCxAAGIAEGLADGKIEwgIHECMYsAIYJ8ICCBAAGIAEGKIEwgIIEAAYogQYiQXCAgoQIRigARjDBBgKmAMAiAYBkAYCkgcGNi4xOC4xoAfoZQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Why do you need MSNBC to fact check it? 

Just admit he was wrong, you were wrong and move on.  Or do you have carpal tunnel?

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Everytime somebody mentions Topol, I think Fiddler on the Roof. 

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9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Everytime somebody mentions Topol, I think Fiddler on the Roof. 

I think of the smokers tooth paste from the 80s

 

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1 hour ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Why do you need MSNBC to fact check it? 

Just admit he was wrong, you were wrong and move on.  Or do you have carpal tunnel?

I said MSDNC, which is a combo of MSM and DNC.  It's a way of saying that the MSM is in the pocket of the Democrat party.  Which they are.  So my point is that somehow, CNBC and all of the MSDNC outlets in that link haven't yet pointed this out.  I'm just waiting for that, is all.   

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1 hour ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/11/trump-angry-about-pfizer-vaccine/

Th FDA had warned Pfizer early on that 32 wasn't enough.  Then when cases started rising in the fall they got to a larger number anyway.

From the start of the Pfizer trial, the FDA was concerned that 32 cases would be too few and urged the company to wait for more cases, Kathrin Jansen, head of vaccine research and development for Pfizer, said in an interview.

“We heard the FDA, but we were concerned it would take us too long to get to the cases” if it raised the number for the first analysis, Jansen said. “And so the FDA said, ‘Okay, fine, it’s your trial.’ ”

But many in the scientific community expressed concerns that reporting interim data based on just 32 positive cases was insufficient.

By the fall, FDA officials, hoping to reassure scientists and the public, were stressing they would apply a rigorous new standard before authorizing a vaccine — one that would be roughly comparable to full approval.

 

 

But when the agency tried to publish that new standard, which required two months of follow-up safety data on half the participants, the White House tried to block it, realizing the guidelines made it extremely unlikely a vaccine could be authorized before the election. 

The new standards meant Pfizer would not have sufficient safety data to apply for an emergency authorization until the second half of November. As cases began to surge in mid-October, Pfizer’s scientists considered simply waiting to do their first analysis at 62 cases, which would provide more confidence about the result and wouldn’t cause much of a delay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/11/trump-angry-about-pfizer-vaccine/

If anyone was playing politics with the vaccine it was trump who tried everything to get it approved before election Day.

From a link within your link.  I had to use archive.is to read it, so it wouldn't provide the link to post here:

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September 22, 2020 at 7:16 p.m. UTC

The Food and Drug Administration is expected to spell out a tough, new standard for an emergency authorization of a coronavirus vaccine as soon as this week that will make it exceedingly difficult for any vaccine to be cleared before Election Day.

 

The agency is issuing the guidance to boost transparency and public trust as it approaches the momentous decision of whether a prospective vaccine is safe and effective. Public health experts are increasingly worried that President Trump’s repeated predictions of a coronavirus vaccine by Nov. 3, coupled with the administration’s interference in federal science agencies, may prompt Americans to reject any vaccine as rushed and potentially tainted.

We're arguing the same thing, only you don't acknowledge the sequence of events that Tim and I have laid out.  There was an accepted plan, then Topol recognized the "choke point" of Pfizer and pushed to change the previously accepted criteria.

We're getting nowhere, you believe the Washington Post milquetoast report from their "Democracy Dies in Trumpness" perspective.  Have a good night. 

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59 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Everytime somebody mentions Topol, I think Fiddler on the Roof. 

I have no idea what they’re blathering about, and I doubt I want to know

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9 hours ago, jerryskids said:

I said MSDNC, which is a combo of MSM and DNC.  It's a way of saying that the MSM is in the pocket of the Democrat party.  Which they are.  So my point is that somehow, CNBC and all of the MSDNC outlets in that link haven't yet pointed this out.  I'm just waiting for that, is all.   

I don't know what's more pathetic 

1) you use the term msdnc

2) you felt the need to explain the term msdnc

3) you deny facts until they are fact checked by a source that you hate msdnc

4) you deny the right wing media like foxnews and x which have multiple times more viewership than what you call MSM msdnc

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2 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

I don't know what's more pathetic 

1) you use the term msdnc

2) you felt the need to explain the term msdnc

3) you deny facts until they are fact checked by a source that you hate msdnc

4) you deny the right wing media like foxnews and x which have multiple times more viewership than what you call MSM msdnc

X is right wing media?  Congrats, the sun has barely risen here, and you've already made the dumbest post of the day.   

Pro tip:  Leftists like you hate X because it is open, and you can't control the message.

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2 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

I don't know what's more pathetic 

1) you use the term msdnc

2) you felt the need to explain the term msdnc

3) you deny facts until they are fact checked by a source that you hate msdnc

4) you deny the right wing media like foxnews and x which have multiple times more viewership than what you call MSM msdnc

x is the media?

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6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

X is right wing media?  Congrats, the sun has barely risen here, and you've already made the dumbest post of the day.   

Pro tip:  Leftists like you hate X because it is open, and you can't control the message.

Wow you seriously are this dumb

Let me explain.  Twitter has a long history of right wing Russian bots.  Elon musk bought twitter and changed the algorithm/policies to promote more right wing accounts.  Since he endorsed Donald Trump and gave away millions of dollars to get him votes in PA, the x algorithm has pushed hard right.  Since election day many on the left have left x and moved to bluesky where the moderation isn't biased.

Here is a quick article with links to other articles that may help you learn more about this.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/17/24298669/musk-trump-endorsement-x-boosting-republican-posts-july-algorithm-change

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11 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

x is the media?

Do you know what social media is?

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5 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Do you know what social media is?

He doesn't know who he is. 

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I have to admit, I’m a wee bit concerned that Trump is filling his cabinet out with a former drug addict, a statutory rapist, Vince McMahon’s wife, a Fox and Friends host, and otherwise unqualified toadies.   

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I have to admit, I’m a wee bit concerned that Trump is filling his cabinet out with a former drug addict, a statutory rapist, Vince McMahon’s wife, a Fox and Friends host, and otherwise unqualified toadies.   

Not unexpected.  I'm more concerned about the number of people including senators who dismiss these crackpots and are willing to roll over to let dictator don do whatever he wants.

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Here @jerryskids another article on how musk transformed x into a right wing echo chamber 

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/elon-musk-turned-x-trump-echo-chamber-rcna174321

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17 minutes ago, MDC said:

I have to admit, I’m a wee bit concerned that Trump is filling his cabinet out with a former drug addict, a statutory rapist, Vince McMahon’s wife, a Fox and Friends host, and otherwise unqualified toadies.   

Agree, but you didn't complain when Biden hired DEI Trannies and minorities who had zero experience, so don't be a hypocrite now. Remember Sam Britton? 

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1659244929539768323

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

Wow you seriously are this dumb

Let me explain.  Twitter has a long history of right wing Russian bots.  Elon musk bought twitter and changed the algorithm/policies to promote more right wing accounts.  Since he endorsed Donald Trump and gave away millions of dollars to get him votes in PA, the x algorithm has pushed hard right.  Since election day many on the left have left x and moved to bluesky where the moderation isn't biased.

Here is a quick article with links to other articles that may help you learn more about this.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/17/24298669/musk-trump-endorsement-x-boosting-republican-posts-july-algorithm-change

I read that and the WSJ one linked in it.  I could see Musk amplifying his own (and also having himself be the first recommended follow), but the rest of the stuff seems speculatory, not to mention that much was made about Trump and Vance doing a better job on social media.

The WSJ experiment points out the following:

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The Journal created accounts on the social-media platform that only signaled an affinity for nonpolitical subjects, but a majority of the posts in their For You feed were partisan or related to the election. Kamala Harris’s campaign topped the list of most-seen accounts, with one post mocking pro-Trump hecklers at her rally in Wisconsin reaching all the Journal’s accounts. Ten of the other top 14 most-seen leaned right, including Trump’s, and overall, pro-Trump content appeared about twice as frequently as pro-Harris material.

So, there were more Republican accounts, but Kamala's campaign was #1.  Also, 14 is an odd number, why use that?  I might speculate that 5 of the next 6 were left-leaning, and didn't help the author make his point.

The point I took from it though, is that political posts/accounts from both sides were amplified even if the experimental user indicated no political interest.

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Between foxnews dominating all other cable networks combined and Sinclair with huge local reach, plus 100m x users, this whole left wing MSM BS is archaic.  Rush Limbaugh used to talk about this but it's been dead for years.

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11 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Agree, but you didn't complain when Biden hired DEI Trannies and minorities who had zero experience, so don't be a hypocrite now. Remember Sam Britton? 

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1659244929539768323

 

 

 

I’m just here to laugh at the MAGAs who thought Father Trump was here to drain the swamp, when he’s really just another rich dirtbag grifter here to line his pockets and reward his toadies.  

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6 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

You get your news from x?   Retard

100m Americans do and most don't even question it.  Since you support these views I assume you're one of them.

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LOL at someone calling x the right wing media.  The is Kamala level stupid.

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22 minutes ago, MDC said:

laugh at the MAGAs

Which I have ZERO problem with. Just don't be a hypocrite, Pedocrats are a walking comedy show. And Biden is F'ing up BAD right now..

Say it. 

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25 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m just here to laugh at the MAGAs who thought Father Trump was here to drain the swamp, when he’s really just another rich dirtbag grifter here to line his pockets and reward his toadies.  

Why didn’t  you vote for Kamala then? 

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4 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Which I have ZERO problem with. Just don't be a hypocrite, Pedocrats are a walking comedy show. And Biden is F'ing up BAD right now..

Say it. 

I didn’t vote for him or Kamala either. Let me know when Geeks start writing fan fiction about how those 2 are bravely doing battle with the Deep State.  

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

I’m just here to laugh at the MAGAs who thought Father Trump was here to drain the swamp, when he’s really just another rich dirtbag grifter here to line his pockets and reward his toadies.  

Exactly!! His appointments are embarrassing to say the least. 

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1 minute ago, peenie said:

Exactly!! His appointments are embarrassing to say the least. 

Trump doesn’t care. He’s not there to govern anyway, he’s there to make bank and stroke his own ego. The only qualification for working for Trump is kissing his ass.

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump doesn’t care. He’s not there to govern anyway, he’s there to make bank and stroke his own ego. The only qualification for working for Trump is kissing his ass.

I'll add that he is there to create chaos and piss people off.

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Trump has a new fragrance out. It’s called Victory. It has the air of strength and success. Only 119.00

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12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump has a new fragrance out. It’s called Victory. It has the air of strength and success. Only 119.00

I thought this was a joke until I Googled it.

Let us know how it smells.

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Just now, The Phantom's Phantom said:

I thought this was a joke until I Googled it.

Let us know how it smells.

Strength and success have alluded you so far. I doubt a fragrance can help you. 

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43 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

I'll add that he is there to create chaos and piss people off.

All true. But to give the MAGA folks the benefit of the doubt (something they refuse to afford the rest of us), they honestly believe that the current Washington establishment needs to be blown up, and that this country will be better off for it. If you begin with this premise,  there is nothing inherently wrong or disqualifying about these selections.