FEMA aid workers skipped houses with Trump signs

[BrahmaBulls 671]

56 minutes ago, squistion said:

I think she is saying that to try and cover her posterior and so far we've seen nothing to back that claim of hers. 

Stop being racist and calling this black lady a liar.

[Strike 5,445]

20 minutes ago, MDC said:

Not that anyone is disagreeing with that bold take. Any ideas on how an agency with 20k+ employees will ensure nobody does anything stupid?

As RLLD noted, an investigation is in order.  But even.just the publicity this has gotten is very useful.  Do you think any other supervisors in FEMA will be giving this type of guidance again any time soon?

[nobody 2,654]

Lots of room for grey area here but I think the Tim/MDC take is probably the closest to truth.  Although I think they're underselling the issue.

Lady committed the violation.  Bosses probably new to some extent and didn't care, but that's not necessarily a sign of malintent so much as incompetence (probably a mix of both) as I'd estimate 75% of managers in the corporate world will bury their head in the sand before they fix go out of there way to fix a problem.  It's probably 85% in an org like FEMA that seems pretty half-ass.

To me, her interview told me a few things.  She's not very bright.  That's her A game right there, and she sounds like an idiot.  She clearly doesn't fully understand the implications of what she is saying, and someone clearly coached her to lean on the avoidance policy, but she did it rather clumsily because she doesn't realize she's not playing in her usually pond of complete incompetence for which no one cares and every word she says is going to get parsed to death.  She thinks she can provide some hand waving excuse like her organization usually allows and she'll get away with it.  That of course will be fine for trump haters, and they'll line up to defend her of course so she does have that going for her from a tactics standpoint.

Conclusion: She likely acted without direct instruction but rather with mild complicity from incompetent leadership.  I do believe her that this behavior is likely more prevalent then just her because this is a culture issue and bad culture spreads through an organization.  The fact that she was comfortable stating to skip trump houses so brazenly in an email tells me that.  That should've raised questions and objections from staff and should've had to be adjudicated at a higher level.  I don't believe this is endorsed policy, but rather it's completely incompetent management.  

So as usual, the answer is somewhere in the middle.

[MDC 7,300]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

As RLLD noted, an investigation is in order.  But even.just the publicity this has gotten is very useful.  Do you think any other supervisors in FEMA will be giving this type of guidance again any time soon?

No, I think between the death threats they’d been getting from MAGA goons and now this, the Agency will be more vigilant in ferreting out any questionable behaviors.

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

No, I think between the death threats they’d been getting from MAGA goons and now this, the Agency will be more vigilant in ferreting out any questionable behaviors.

What death threats? Are there police reports that were shown here? I may have missed them. 

[jbycho 754]

Where is this big movement from Trump voters against FEMA employees? Who's running it? And why?

 

[jbycho 754]

All I see is a movement against Trump voters. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,284]

Spiraling.   Systemic being tossed around.  Widespread. 

[TimHauck 2,745]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

No you got the story completely wrong.  Hurricane Milton was a month ago.  We don't know when the complaint was filed.  What we do know is nothing was done until someone alerted a conservative media site late last week, which wrote a story about it that went viral and outrage ensued. 

But yeah it's Trump's fault ROFLMAO

You seem to be quibbling over the word “immediately” here.  I’d agree with you that she wasn’t fired until the story got out.  But what we don’t know is how much time passed between when higher ups at FEMA became aware and when she was fired.  It’s possible (likely IMO) that the Daily Wire emailed them the screenshots like a day or so prior to writing the story, which was the first time higher ups at FEMA became aware, and then they sent that reply.  Your post below seems to imply that they became aware of it from a source other than reporters at the Daily Wire, but I’d doubt that is the case.

2 hours ago, Strike said:

Read the story I posted on page one.  FEMA told The Daily Wire they were aware of the situation.  So they were aware of it before the article was posted and only fired the employee a day or two AFTER the article was published and had become a major story.

 

[Strike 5,445]

Just now, TimHauck said:

You seem to be quibbling over the word “immediately” here.  I’d agree with you that she wasn’t fired until the story got out.  But what we don’t know is how much time passed between when higher ups at FEMA became aware and when she was fired.  It’s possible (likely IMO) that the Daily Wire emailed them the screenshots like a day or so prior to writing the story, which was the first time higher ups at FEMA became aware, and then they sent that reply.  Your post below seems to imply that they became aware of it from a source other than reporters at the Daily Wire, but I’d doubt that is the case.

 

Right on cue here is Hackboy!!!!!!  

[TimHauck 2,745]

Just now, Strike said:

Right on cue here is Hackboy!!!!!!  

Do you dispute anything I stated?

[TimHauck 2,745]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

You said I got the story complete wrong. It’s not about an employee who got outed and shiit canned? What’s the story here?

You used the word “immediately.”  Completely wrong!!!

[MDC 7,300]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You used the word “immediately.”  Completely wrong!!!

That must be it.  

Unless I have any reason to believe otherwise, I’m assuming FEMA investigating the incident once they heard about it and fired the woman shortly thereafter. 

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

That must be it.  

Unless I have any reason to believe otherwise, I’m assuming FEMA investigating the incident once they heard about it and fired the woman shortly thereafter. 

Where are all the police reports on the brutal attacks on fema employees by Trump voters? 

[Reality 3,121]

Can't imagine being so comfortable with this quasi-policy that you actually put it in a group text with your professional colleagues. 

That's kind of all you need to know here... Stunning. 

[jerryskids 6,737]

On 11/11/2024 at 8:14 PM, Death said:

1 person, who was fired.

Ermagherd, der dermercrerts!

 

On 11/12/2024 at 4:36 AM, TimHauck said:

If her story is to be believed, and again she still deserves to be fired, she is claiming that the avoiding Trump signs was because they had prior hostile encounters stemming from the Helene disinformation.  So it’s not a “it was true the whole time!!” thing.

So... you think it's OK to profile all Trump voters as dangerous?

On 11/12/2024 at 5:27 AM, squistion said:

Conservatives, please take note, liberals did not riot and burn cities over anything. 

Wut?   

11 hours ago, MDC said:

One FEMA worker said they should avoid Trumper homes. She was apparently outed by her colleagues and fired immediately. Am I getting that story right?

This probably wouldn’t even be a story if Trump, Musk and other right wing weirdos hadn’t been spreading false rumors about disaster relief. They’re going to get somebody killed eventually. 

MDC, despite our political differences, I generally like you.  I hope you know this and feel the same.  Regardless, this is an immensely... unsmart post.  I'm confident that you know why.   

[TimHauck 2,745]

Just now, jerryskids said:

 

So... you think it's OK to profile all Trump voters as dangerous?

 

No

[squistion 2,138]

7 hours ago, jbycho said:

Where are all the police reports on the brutal attacks on fema employees by Trump voters? 

What the hell are you talking about?

[jbycho 754]

39 minutes ago, squistion said:

What the hell are you talking about?

I wasn't talking to you. 

[squistion 2,138]

Just now, jbycho said:

I wasn't talking to you. 

But I am answering.

[jbycho 754]

10 minutes ago, squistion said:

But I am answering.

No you aren't. You are asking questions. 

[jonnyutah 274]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

But I am answering.

No. You asked a question.

[squistion 2,138]

Just now, jbycho said:

No you aren't. You are asking questions. 

Because I don't know what the hell you are talking about. 

[jbycho 754]

Just now, jonnyutah said:

No. You asked a question.

He doesn't follow the chat, then interjects asking me to catch him up for some reason. 

[BrahmaBulls 671]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

But I am answering.

No one cares

[BrahmaBulls 671]

51 minutes ago, squistion said:

Because I don't know what the hell you are talking about. 

You usually can't follow along

[jbycho 754]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

What the hell are you talking about?

Ask @MDC or, go back and read the thread. 

[squistion 2,138]

10 hours ago, jbycho said:

Ask @MDC or, go back and read the thread. 

If you are unable to explain it, there really is no point. 

[jbycho 754]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

If you are unable to explain it, there really is no point. 

I never wanted your input in the first place. So yeah, there is no point of you to continue whining on about it. 

[squistion 2,138]

Just now, jbycho said:

I never wanted your input in the first place. So yeah, there is no point of you to continue whining on about it. 

Like that has stopped you from posting in any thread. 

[Strike 5,445]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Like that has stopped you from posting in any thread. 

Says the guy who has 80% of the bored on ignore yet posts in almost every thread, unless the thread is about hot women, because why would he care about hot women?

[jbycho 754]

53 minutes ago, Strike said:

Says the guy who has 80% of the bored on ignore yet posts in almost every thread, unless the thread is about hot women, because why would he care about hot women?

I like Nina Agdal. 

[TimHauck 2,745]

21 hours ago, TimHauck said:

You seem to be quibbling over the word “immediately” here.  I’d agree with you that she wasn’t fired until the story got out.  But what we don’t know is how much time passed between when higher ups at FEMA became aware and when she was fired.  It’s possible (likely IMO) that the Daily Wire emailed them the screenshots like a day or so prior to writing the story, which was the first time higher ups at FEMA became aware, and then they sent that reply.  Your post below seems to imply that they became aware of it from a source other than reporters at the Daily Wire, but I’d doubt that is the case.

 

 

21 hours ago, Strike said:

Right on cue here is Hackboy!!!!!!  

Thanks for the thoughtful spirited discussion.  Not.

[Strike 5,445]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

Thanks for the thoughtful spirited discussion.  Not.

You chose to insert yourself in to a conversation that had nothing to do with you.  Which is fine as it was posted in the public area of the forum and not in PM.  However, what you requested was that I REPEAT what I already told MDC in that conversation.  I'm not willing to do that.  You are welcome to go back a page and reread the interaction I had with MDC, use some reading comprehension, and hopefully understand the answer to your query.  Or not.  Matters not to me.  But I'm not wasting my time rehashing the same discussion AGAIN. 

[jbycho 754]

15 minutes ago, Strike said:

You chose to insert yourself in to a conversation that had nothing to do with you.  Which is fine as it was posted in the public area of the forum and not in PM.  However, what you requested was that I REPEAT what I already told MDC in that conversation.  I'm not willing to do that.  You are welcome to go back a page and reread the interaction I had with MDC, use some reading comprehension, and hopefully understand the answer to your query.  Or not.  Matters not to me.  But I'm not wasting my time rehashing the same discussion AGAIN. 

This is EXACTLY what the squid guy is telling me to do. Explain what I mean and tell the story about a question I asked to another poster about what he said. I said just go read it. He wouldn't   

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,046]

16 minutes ago, jbycho said:

I like Nina Agda. 

ME LIKEY!!!!!

[TimHauck 2,745]

31 minutes ago, Strike said:

You chose to insert yourself in to a conversation that had nothing to do with you.  Which is fine as it was posted in the public area of the forum and not in PM.  However, what you requested was that I REPEAT what I already told MDC in that conversation.  I'm not willing to do that.  You are welcome to go back a page and reread the interaction I had with MDC, use some reading comprehension, and hopefully understand the answer to your query.  Or not.  Matters not to me.  But I'm not wasting my time rehashing the same discussion AGAIN. 

I read it and quoted the relevant post.

I said I agreed with you that @MDC was wrong to use the word “immediately” regarding when she was fired.  I just don’t really think that means he “got the story completely wrong” like you stated.

What I disagree with is your implication that higher ups at FEMA were aware of the situation prior to being contacted by the Daily Wire.  Yes, it’s true they were aware of it prior to the article being published, but my bet is the Daily Wire reporters were the ones that made them aware prior to publishing the story.  Of course right now we don’t know when it actually was.

[RLLD 4,201]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I read it and quoted the relevant post.

I said I agreed with you that @MDC was wrong to use the word “immediately” regarding when she was fired.  I just don’t really think that means he “got the story completely wrong” like you stated.

What I disagree with is your implication that higher ups at FEMA were aware of the situation prior to being contacted by the Daily Wire.  Yes, it’s true they were aware of it prior to the article being published, but my bet is the Daily Wire reporters were the ones that made them aware prior to publishing the story.  Of course right now we don’t know when it actually was.

Why might you disagree?   Is there some data point that you are working from?

I ask honestly, because when it comes to government.......you should not anticipate "good" behaviors as a rule, quite the opposite....

[jbycho 754]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Why might you disagree?   Is there some data point that you are working from?

I ask honestly, because when it comes to government.......you should not anticipate "good" behaviors as a rule, quite the opposite....

"Systemic" anything bad can only apply to conservatives and police. Otherwise they are "one-offs". 

[squistion 2,138]

Just now, RLLD said:

Why might you disagree?   Is there some data point that you are working from?

I ask honestly, because when it comes to government.......you should not anticipate "good" behaviors as a rule, quite the opposite....

Maybe because we have seen no evidence for it and all we have is her unproven claim.