FEMA aid workers skipped houses with Trump signs

[RLLD 4,153]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

Maybe because we have seen no evidence for it and all we have is her unproven claim. 

Unproven claims are no loner sufficient to declare truth?   Man, this election was awesome, I am loving this new world.....

[TimHauck 2,633]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Why might you disagree?   Is there some data point that you are working from?

I ask honestly, because when it comes to government.......you should not anticipate "good" behaviors as a rule, quite the opposite....

I am going off of the fired worker’s comments.  Despite trying to shift blame, she has not said they were told to avoid homes with Trump flags.  She says they were told to “practice avoidance.”

[squistion 1,972]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Unproven claims are no loner sufficient to declare truth?   Man, this election was awesome, I am loving this new world.....

Not when they are a self-serving statement from one person that has yet to be verified.

[RLLD 4,153]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I am going off of the fired worker’s comments.  Despite trying to shift blame, she has not said they were told to avoid homes with Trump flags.  She says they were told to “practice avoidance.”

The documents she referenced were highlighted and corroborate this.   This should bother you.......

[RLLD 4,153]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Not when they are a self-serving statement from one person that has yet to be verified.

Oh, so you have this situation all figured out then.  OK.   I leave you to proceed with your premise. I think I am going to wait a bit longer though, in case there is more to this story.....

[TimHauck 2,633]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

The documents she referenced were highlighted and corroborate this.   This should bother you.......

Are there “documents” other than text messages that she sent herself? (Edit: or comments from people that reported directly to her)

[RLLD 4,153]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Are there “documents” other than text messages that she sent herself?

Well, I guess if you are certain she is making this up, texted herself and is lying about it all, then you wont accept the premise that this has transpired elsewhere as part of an agency doctrine.

I want to have proof of this at this stage, I am unwilling to trust the government.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I am going off of the fired worker’s comments.  Despite trying to shift blame, she has not said they were told to avoid homes with Trump flags.  She says they were told to “practice avoidance.”

I’ll take ‘Things that someone with Asperger’s would say’ for $500.

[TimHauck 2,633]

24 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well, I guess if you are certain she is making this up, texted herself and is lying about it all, then you wont accept the premise that this has transpired elsewhere as part of an agency doctrine.

I want to have proof of this at this stage, I am unwilling to trust the government.

Again, what documents are you referring to?  The text messages she sent to her team?  That and comments from her team are all I’ve seen but please share if there’s something else out there

[jbycho 624]

Just get rid of FEMA. 

[RLLD 4,153]

 

I guess she could still be making it all up.  Dangerous game to play, going onto national media like this and calling out the entire agency.

[TimHauck 2,633]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

I guess she could still be making it all up.  Dangerous game to play, going onto national media like this and calling out the entire agency.

I don’t see any more “documents” in this video?  Can you please provide the ones you’re referring to which “corroborate” that higher ups at FEMA were aware of the situation prior to being contacted by the Daily Wire?

[RLLD 4,153]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t see any more “documents” in this video?  Can you please provide the ones you’re referring to which “corroborate” that higher ups at FEMA were aware of the situation prior to being contacted by the Daily Wire?

I did not promise you any documents and therefore am not accountable to bring any.

I did however just post a video where the words of this person can be heard directly......along with my text admission that she could still be lying, and how dangerous that might be,,,,

[jbycho 624]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I did not promise you any documents and therefore am not accountable to bring any.

I did however just post a video where the words of this person can be heard directly......along with my text admission that she could still be lying, and how dangerous that might be,,,,

Dude, you should not argue with stupid unless you enjoy it. 

[nobody 2,580]

Dang, Tim, in the case of the lib chick yelling in the face of the toddler, all you needed to see was a microphone in the dad's hand to know he was instigating.

This lady is telling you point blank her side of the story, and you need documents or else she's a liar.  

Look within yourself, bro.

[TimHauck 2,633]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I did not promise you any documents

Here is our convo, trimming down to relevant portions (first post was originally directed at @Strike)

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

What I disagree with is your implication that higher ups at FEMA were aware of the situation prior to being contacted by the Daily Wire. 

 

4 hours ago, RLLD said:

Why might you disagree?   Is there some data point that you are working from?

I ask honestly, because when it comes to government.......you should not anticipate "good" behaviors as a rule, quite the opposite....

 

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I am going off of the fired worker’s comments.  Despite trying to shift blame, she has not said they were told to avoid homes with Trump flags.  She says they were told to “practice avoidance.”

 

3 hours ago, RLLD said:

The documents she referenced were highlighted and corroborate this.   This should bother you.......

 

Based on your comments I will conclude that “this” in this last quote is not referring to higher ups at FEMA being aware of the situation prior to being contacted by the Daily Wire.  So what exactly did you mean by “this” in your last quote here?

[TimHauck 2,633]

1 minute ago, nobody said:

Dang, Tim, in the case of the lib chick yelling in the face of the toddler, all you needed to see was a microphone in the dad's hand to know he was instigating.

This lady is telling you point blank her side of the story, and you need documents or else she's a liar.  

Look within yourself, bro.

No, @RLLD said he had documents. 

[jbycho 624]

I think if any organization or business owner encounters an unruly black person, they should stop providing their services to all black people. 

[RLLD 4,153]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Here is our convo, trimming down to relevant portions (first post was originally directed at @Strike)

 

 

 

the agency is telling the truth.

Based on your comments I will conclude that “this” in this last quote is not referring to higher ups at FEMA being aware of the situation prior to being contacted by the Daily Wire.  So what exactly did you mean by “this” in your last quote here?

I think your question would be better directed to the woman in question, she has them on her phone, showed them in another video....but then again the issue is not whether or not it happened or she did it, the issue is whether or not she is telling the truth about the agency doctrine or the agency is telling the truth. I owe you nothing.

Not that you would accept evidence such as a document anyway, so that is really a pointless venture. 

SO.....as I have stated, I do not believe anything government says, so I am already on her side......now, back to the video, its a rather dangerous move if she is indeed lying,,,

[RLLD 4,153]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No, @RLLD said he had documents. 

On her phone, so that is where they remain, for now.

BUT.....I am confident that there will be an investigation, and given the level of corruption in other agencies, well, the chances this is not something bigger are not good.

[TimHauck 2,633]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

On her phone, so that is where they remain, for now.

BUT.....I am confident that there will be an investigation, and given the level of corruption in other agencies, well, the chances this is not something bigger are not good.

On her phone but won’t share them with Fox News?  I’m skeptical

[RLLD 4,153]

Just now, TimHauck said:

On her phone but won’t share them with Fox News?  I’m skeptical

Clearly you are.  I only wish this skepticism were equitably applied.   For now I will await any potential future investigation.  If she is lying, she is playing a rather dangerous game at this point.

[TimHauck 2,633]

8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think your question would be better directed to the woman in question, she has them on her phone, showed them in another video....but then again the issue is not whether or not it happened or she did it, the issue is whether or not she is telling the truth about the agency doctrine or the agency is telling the truth. I owe you nothing.

Not that you would accept evidence such as a document anyway, so that is really a pointless venture. 

SO.....as I have stated, I do not believe anything government says, so I am already on her side......now, back to the video, its a rather dangerous move if she is indeed lying,,,

Where did she show them?  If you’ve followed my posting history I do like documents as proof.

She says a little more in the Fox News video than the prior one but still contradicts herself and shies away from specifics.  She just says “they were already avoiding these homes,” but a few seconds later says “FEMA wanted to stay away from violating the Hatch act” which focusing on the signs would be. This seems to be acknowledging that FEMA did not issue this direction.

 

[TimHauck 2,633]

I am equally skeptical of her claims of having a significant number of “hostile political encounters” at houses with Trump signs.  Interestingly some here seem skeptical of that claim but not her claim that she received direction to avoid houses with Trump signs.

[RLLD 4,153]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Where did she show them?  If you’ve followed my posting history I do like documents as proof.

She says a little more in the Fox News video than the prior one but still contradicts herself and shies away from specifics.  She just says “they were already avoiding these homes,” but a few seconds later says “FEMA wanted to stay away from violating the Hatch act” which focusing on the signs would be. This seems to be acknowledging that FEMA did not issue this direction.

 

It was on one of the news broadcasts that they showed the communications distributed on the phone, not that it matters.

This move on her part to go to news outlets and keep this up, I guess we have to wait to see what comes of it.   Maybe she is lying, someone needs to talk her down if she is lying.

If I were you, this is certainly not the hill I would die on....

[TimHauck 2,633]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

It was on one of the news broadcasts that they showed the communications distributed on the phone, not that it matters.

This move on her part to go to news outlets and keep this up, I guess we have to wait to see what comes of it.   Maybe she is lying, someone needs to talk her down if she is lying.

If I were you, this is certainly not the hill I would die on....

Are you talking about the communication between her and her team?

[RLLD 4,153]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Are you talking about the communication between her and her team?

No idea, some communication.  She claims to have it, showed it during an interview, claimed it came from above......again.....maybe she is lying......there will likely be an investigation.....most of these agencies have corruption.......you should not come to the defense of ANY agency......this is probably not the hill you want to die on......not with Trump assigning an Attorney General

[Horseman 2,385]

21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If you’ve followed my posting history

LOL, people lining up for the On the Spectrum news letter?

[Strike 5,263]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I read it and quoted the relevant post.

I said I agreed with you that @MDC was wrong to use the word “immediately” regarding when she was fired.  I just don’t really think that means he “got the story completely wrong” like you stated.

What I disagree with is your implication that higher ups at FEMA were aware of the situation prior to being contacted by the Daily Wire.  Yes, it’s true they were aware of it prior to the article being published, but my bet is the Daily Wire reporters were the ones that made them aware prior to publishing the story.  Of course right now we don’t know when it actually was.

Well, we disagree on this point then and there's no point in continuing our discussion.  It's actually OK to disagree with someone, you know?

[Reality 3,116]

This conversation is hilarious. 

Thankfully, the American people have spoken, I expect these situations to be handled correctly moving forward.

[TimHauck 2,633]

11 hours ago, Strike said:

Well, we disagree on this point then and there's no point in continuing our discussion.  It's actually OK to disagree with someone, you know?

Correct.  So what do you think happened? Do you think FEMA was aware of the situation previously, but that they didn’t “endorse” it (since you said below you never said they endorsed it)? Maybe just gave her a slap on the wrist until being forced to fire her after the story came out?

 

On 11/13/2024 at 10:19 AM, Strike said:

Read the story I posted on page one.  FEMA told The Daily Wire they were aware of the situation.  So they were aware of it before the article was posted and only fired the employee a day or two AFTER the article was published and had become a major story.

 

On 11/13/2024 at 10:28 AM, MDC said:

I read your article. It’s unclear to me whether FEMA was investigating the situation before the article was published or if the agency was made aware of the situation by the Daily Wire, launched an investigation, then canned the employee. 

The idea that FEMA would endorse this or deliberately withhold aid from red areas is a major stretch to say the least. 

 

On 11/13/2024 at 10:40 AM, Strike said:

Cool.  And I've never said either of the things in the sentence I quoted.  I'm not sure what your confusion regarding FEMA investigating is.  They didn't thank the Daily Wire for alerting them.  When the Daily Wire inquired they told them they were aware of the incident.  If YOU have proof otherwise feel free to post it.  Look like you're just looking for things to nitpick.  Much like Hackboy does daily.  Word of advice.  Don't be Hackboy.

 

[jbycho 624]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Correct.  So what do you think happened? Do you think FEMA was aware of the situation previously, but that they didn’t “endorse” it (since you said below you never said they endorsed it)? Maybe just gave her a slap on the wrist until being forced to fire her after the story came out?

 

 

 

 

FEMA endorsed it. They just couldn't admit it obviously. Systemic political hatred.

[MDC 7,164]

11 hours ago, Reality said:

This conversation is hilarious. 

Thankfully, the American people have spoken, I expect these situations to be handled correctly moving forward.

Like by firing the employee.  

[nobody 2,580]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

Like by firing the employee.  

Too systemic.  Trump supporters are being hunted.

[TimHauck 2,633]

7 minutes ago, nobody said:

Too systemic.  Trump supporters are being hunted.

Well according to Ms Washington, Trump supporters were hunting FEMA.  As I said earlier, it’s interesting that some here are skeptical of that claim but not skeptical of the claim that this direction came from anyone other than her.  Me being my centrist self is skeptical of both of these claims.

[jbycho 624]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Well according to Ms Washington, Trump supporters were hunting FEMA.  As I said earlier, it’s interesting that some here are skeptical of that claim but not skeptical of the claim that this direction came from anyone other than her.  Me being my centrist self is skeptical of both of these claims.

 Sure they were. You fools will believe anything. 

[MDC 7,164]

11 minutes ago, nobody said:

Too systemic.  Trump supporters are being hunted.

Hopefully Father Trump fixes everything to keep them safe now.  

[TimHauck 2,633]

2 minutes ago, jbycho said:

 Sure they were. You fools will believe anything. 

I know you have a tiny brain, but you might consider reading the entire post.

[jbycho 624]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I know you have a tiny brain, but you might consider reading the entire post.

What's the point of reading something when the initial point is wrong? 

[Sean Mooney 1,949]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well according to Ms Washington, Trump supporters were hunting FEMA.  As I said earlier, it’s interesting that some here are skeptical of that claim but not skeptical of the claim that this direction came from anyone other than her.  Me being my centrist self is skeptical of both of these claims.

Exactly...it's possible both statements are true, it's possible they are both false....but if one is false and one is true- it should call into question the other.