Ban Assault Knives

[RLLD 4,230]

Three dead after unprovoked stabbings across Manhattan

 

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Three unprovoked stabbings across Manhattan Monday morning left two men and one woman dead, according to the New York City Police Department. A man is in custody, police said.

 

[lickin_starfish 1,935]

Ramon Rivera doesn't sound like a light skinned man.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,096]

32 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Three dead after unprovoked stabbings across Manhattan

Ban ALL knives!  We need more restrictions around them.

[MDC 7,407]

Thank God the stabber didn’t have a gun!  

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, lickin_starfish said:

Ramon Rivera doesn't sound like a light skinned man.

That might depend on what crime he commits and against whom.   Ref: George Zimmerman

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Ah the old dumb argument of "well if someone killed someone with (fill in the blank weapon) we should ban all of (them)" as a counter to doing even minor things about gun control.

 

"I LOVES MAH GUN!!!!"

[jbycho 754]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Ah the old dumb argument of "well if someone killed someone with (fill in the blank weapon) we should ban all of (them)" as a counter to doing even minor things about gun control.

 

"I LOVES MAH GUN!!!!"

This is a terrible take. You are really focked up in the head. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

I love my Ka Bar.

[5-Points 3,523]

There's no reason anybody other than the military and police should have  these kind of knives. The average citizen should only have access to butter knives and they should be heavily regulated. 

[weepaws 3,191]

What about hammers, screwdrivers, shovels, oh , cars, oh no, lock everything up.  

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

29 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Ah the old dumb argument of "well if someone killed someone with (fill in the blank weapon) we should ban all of (them)" as a counter to doing even minor things about gun control.

 

"I LOVES MAH GUN!!!!"

It's not dumb though.  The gun banning argument is stupid.

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's not dumb though.  The gun banning argument is stupid.

3 people stabbed to death and a liberal pops up to whine about gun laws. WTF? 

What do you expect from these people? 

[MDC 7,407]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's not dumb though. 

The idea that knives are as dangerous as guns isn’t dumb? Then why are guns the weapon of choice in 10x more murders than knives, despite knives being more readily available?

I’m not anti-gun or 2nd amendment, fwiw.

[weepaws 3,191]

Skillets, they must go.  

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

The idea that knives are as dangerous as guns isn’t dumb? Then why are guns the weapon of choice in 10x more murders than knives, despite knives being more readily available?

I’m not anti-gun or 2nd amendment, fwiw.

That's not the argument though.  Guns have never been the problem, it's the people/culture.  Banning guns is just a Band-Aid. 

[jbycho 754]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

The idea that knives are as dangerous as guns isn’t dumb? Then why are guns the weapon of choice in 10x more murders than knives, despite knives being more readily available?

I’m not anti-gun or 2nd amendment, fwiw.

It shouldn't matter if one is worse than the other in your mind. Guns aren't the topic here. It's knives. 

[weepaws 3,191]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That's not the argument though.  Guns have never been the problem, it's the people/culture.  Banning guns is just a Band-Aid. 

Agreed.  

[MDC 7,407]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That's not the argument though.  Guns have never been the problem, it's the people/culture.  Banning guns is just a Band-Aid. 

In that case, why ban grenades or flame throwers? After all, it’s not the weapon - it’s the culture.  

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That's not the argument though.  Guns have never been the problem, it's the people/culture.  Banning guns is just a Band-Aid. 

Correct.  Ban guns?   Ban knives?   They just use something else, over and over.  Ban away, you are simply avoiding the problem and ensuring it continues, as you slowly take away rights and liberties from good people.

[jbycho 754]

Just now, MDC said:

In that case, why ban grenades or flame throwers? After all, it’s not the weapon - it’s the culture.  

What color/culture were the stabbers in these murders? 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

19 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It's not dumb though.  The gun banning argument is stupid.

The framing of the thread title is dumb and it's pretty clear what the OP is going for in provocatively titling it that. I never said I'm for or against gun bannings- in fact I'm not. I think there are things that could be done to control some stuff about guns but going to a position of "let's take all guns" is insipid and quite frankly delusional.

But the thread is titled in such a way that is a common counter argument to the gun stuff. Someone will shoot up a building and then someone will say "We need to ban guns." and someone will reply back "Well a person took over a plane with a box cutter, should we ban them too?" Honestly, I'm glad the article mentions the idea of how the mental health system is failing these people. We should have a long discussion about that in all these issues. 

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The framing of the thread title is dumb and it's pretty clear what the OP is going for in provocatively titling it that. I never said I'm for or against gun bannings- in fact I'm not. I think there are things that could be done to control some stuff about guns but going to a position of "let's take all guns" is insipid and quite frankly delusional.

But the thread is titled in such a way that is a common counter argument to the gun stuff. Someone will shoot up a building and then someone will say "We need to ban guns." and someone will reply back "Well a person took over a plane with a box cutter, should we ban them too?" Honestly, I'm glad the article mentions the idea of how the mental health system is failing these people. We should have a long discussion about that in all these issues. 

Another liberal trying to change the thread topic because he's lost.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

20 minutes ago, MDC said:

The idea that knives are as dangerous as guns isn’t dumb? Then why are guns the weapon of choice in 10x more murders than knives, despite knives being more readily available?

I’m not anti-gun or 2nd amendment, fwiw.

Because most folks don't enjoy the wet work as much as do I.

[jbycho 754]

11 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Because most folks don't enjoy the wet work as much as do I.

One can stab people quietly and discreetly, guns makes noise usually.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

27 minutes ago, MDC said:

In that case, why ban grenades or flame throwers? After all, it’s not the weapon - it’s the culture.  

Because the government can and we don't need them. 

It is our right to own guns.  People should leave that alone.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

25 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The framing of the thread title is dumb and it's pretty clear what the OP is going for in provocatively titling it that. I never said I'm for or against gun bannings- in fact I'm not. I think there are things that could be done to control some stuff about guns but going to a position of "let's take all guns" is insipid and quite frankly delusional.

But the thread is titled in such a way that is a common counter argument to the gun stuff. Someone will shoot up a building and then someone will say "We need to ban guns." and someone will reply back "Well a person took over a plane with a box cutter, should we ban them too?" Honestly, I'm glad the article mentions the idea of how the mental health system is failing these people. We should have a long discussion about that in all these issues. 

Discussions are had about mental health a lot but no one ever comes up with a legitimate solution and then everyone gets distracted by guns again and put mental health on the back burner.  Stop worrying about guns and focus only on improving mental health and the quality of life for our citizens. 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Discussions are had about mental health a lot but no one ever comes up with a legitimate solution and then everyone gets distracted by guns again and put mental health on the back burner.  Stop worrying about guns and focus only on improving mental health and the quality of life for our citizens. 

Agree.

Folks get upset when you extend their logic and it clearly shows the gaps in their wisdom, I think we need to understand how maddening that might be for people.

It is useful to show them, as with this example, and help them move away from the over simplistic dogma they are fed, and into a more thoughtful assessment. I hope that is the net result here for the indoctrinated.

[MDC 7,407]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Because the government can and we don't need them. 

It is our right to own guns.  People should leave that alone.

The 2nd amendment merely refers to “arms,” and yet the government bans all kinds of weapons and has broad restrictions on the use and access of others. 

Are you saying we should have unrestricted access to all types of firearms and weapons? Since we’re trading straw man arguments in this thread. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

The 2nd amendment merely refers to “arms,” and yet the government bans all kinds of weapons and has broad restrictions on the use and access of others. 

Are you saying we should have unrestricted access to all types of firearms and weapons? Since we’re trading straw man arguments in this thread. 

There are some pretty obvious common sense laws.  Assault rifles seem to be the most common type of weapon people want banned.  The problem is, no one seems to be able to give an accurate description of what that is.  If the people who want to ban certain guns could come up with something more specific, then maybe they would get somewhere.  Assault rifle is not a category that works.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

40 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Discussions are had about mental health a lot but no one ever comes up with a legitimate solution and then everyone gets distracted by guns again and put mental health on the back burner.  Stop worrying about guns and focus only on improving mental health and the quality of life for our citizens. 

But we do nothing about mental health because it always becomes a "can we run out the clock" discussion. Also, because some of the debate about the mental health stuff drifts to "take the guns from those people" and you get the push back.

Guns are a weird spin cycle we always end up in. 

[jbycho 754]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

But we do nothing about mental health because it always becomes a "can we run out the clock" discussion. Also, because some of the debate about the mental health stuff drifts to "take the guns from those people" and you get the push back.

Guns are a weird spin cycle we always end up in. 

You do nothing. 

[MDC 7,407]

15 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

There are some pretty obvious common sense laws. 

What makes one restriction or ban common sense? The potential danger the weapon poses to public safety? 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

But we do nothing about mental health because it always becomes a "can we run out the clock" discussion. Also, because some of the debate about the mental health stuff drifts to "take the guns from those people" and you get the push back.

Guns are a weird spin cycle we always end up in. 

Just leave the guns out of it and just focus on improving the quality of life for everyone.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, MDC said:

What makes one restriction or ban common sense? The potential danger the weapon poses to public safety? 

Explosives seem like common sense, right?  Flame thrower? Also common sense.  

Another part of the problem are the conservatives who love to push that line with weapons.  I get that it's fun, but come on.

[RLLD 4,230]

22 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

There are some pretty obvious common sense laws.  Assault rifles seem to be the most common type of weapon people want banned.  The problem is, no one seems to be able to give an accurate description of what that is.  If the people who want to ban certain guns could come up with something more specific, then maybe they would get somewhere.  Assault rifle is not a category that works.

There is a further concern.  Most deaths are due to handguns, which can fire at commensurate rates with "assault" rifles.   So the entire pearl-clutching here is just a farce. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, RLLD said:

There is a further concern.  Most deaths are due to handguns, which can fire at commensurate rates with "assault" rifles.   So the entire pearl-clutching here is just a farce. 

The pearl-clutcher's don't have knowledge of guns.  That's a huge part of the problem.  The don't even understand the thing they want banned.

[BrahmaBulls 763]

We should arm everyone with erasers and rulers like Midget Mooney uses

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The pearl-clutcher's don't have knowledge of guns.  That's a huge part of the problem.  The don't even understand the thing they want banned.

Agree.  How many times have we observed the indoctrinated parroting some nonsense from their ideological masters that they cannot answer to?   Ask them what makes a rifle an "assault" rifle and they really cannot tell you, or what they say is obviously false, to anyone who has ever had a weapon they used in combat.

[MDC 7,407]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Explosives seem like common sense, right?  Flame thrower? Also common sense.  

Another part of the problem are the conservatives who love to push that line with weapons.  I get that it's fun, but come on.

If a ban on explosives and flame throwers are common sense due to the danger they pose, that should tell you why we have bans on some types of firearms and restrictions on others vs. full access to knives. Because guns are far more dangerous.

Whenever I see this type of thread, I think “good thing the killer didn’t have a gun!” Because if he did, odds are good there would be more fatalities. 

I’m not saying we should ban guns, just pointing out the logical flaw in Ray’s straw man argument. He seems to think he’s very clever though, which is adorable. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

The pearl-clutcher's don't have knowledge of guns.  That's a huge part of the problem.  The don't even understand the thing they want banned.

That's the skyscreaming part of it where the argument falls flat more often than not.