Ron_Artest 1,877 Posted 18 hours ago https://www.commondreams.org/news/farmers-harmed-by-trump-policies “It’s a five-alarm fire,” one Kentucky soybean farmer said, describing the harmful effects of the president’s tariffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,721 Posted 18 hours ago 2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: No, it didn't, and doesn't. For reference, here is the article: https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2025/07/24/why-is-my-electric-bill-so-high-what-to-know-about-rising-nj-rates/85330762007/ Here is the quote from the article about the spike "The spike in electric bills started on June 1. The average customer had estimated rates increased by about $20 a month, and the average monthly bill was projected to increase between 17.23% and 20.20%" What you might be referring to is they only listed the 2024 increase. In 2024, rates surged, with an average of 8.7% and 12% increase in electric bills depending on the electric company. This years increase was double what last years was. I personally didn't see an increase last year because I was buying my supply elsewhere, but last years increase was manageable for most. This year different story, with NJ residents up in arms about the increase. But is is further proof that I did not blame the prior increases on Trump as suggested. Thanks for showing us all what a moron you are, once again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,877 Posted 18 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Thanks for showing us all what a moron you are, once again I accept your surrender 🪖 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,124 Posted 17 hours ago It’s astonishing to me that so many people here continue to deny the terrible effects that the tariffs are having already. Is it willful ignorance? The need to win the partisan war even if it means rejecting reality right in front of you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 2,028 Posted 17 hours ago 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: It’s astonishing to me that so many people here continue to deny the terrible effects that the tariffs are having already. Is it willful ignorance? The need to win the partisan war even if it means rejecting reality right in front of you? Oh Tim, Like many here, we await your analysis on when we need to stock up our bomb shelters and garter bartering materials. I mean it is TERRIBLE....so when do we start that? Or should we have done that already? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,877 Posted 17 hours ago 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: It’s astonishing to me that so many people here continue to deny the terrible effects that the tariffs are having already. Is it willful ignorance? The need to win the partisan war even if it means rejecting reality right in front of you? They think Trump is smart and knows what he's doing, or they are too proud to admit they were wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,124 Posted 17 hours ago 2 minutes ago, supermike80 said: Oh Tim, Like many here, we await your analysis on when we need to stock up our bomb shelters and garter bartering materials. I mean it is TERRIBLE....so when do we start that? Or should we have done that already? For months now you have attacked my warnings about tariffs by claiming that I predict the end of all existence if they continue. I don’t. I predicted bad times ahead, which have already begun because prices are higher. And they’re going to continue to rise, it’s going to get a lot worse. But it’s not going to destroy America. So your response to me is both lazy and insipid. If you disagree with my specific premise that these tariffs are bad for our economy both short and long term, then make your case. But stop trying to exaggerate my response so as to paint me as a Chicken Little. Just makes you look silly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,254 Posted 17 hours ago 8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: For months now you have attacked my warnings about tariffs by claiming that I predict the end of all existence if they continue. I don’t. I predicted bad times ahead, which have already begun because prices are higher. And they’re going to continue to rise, it’s going to get a lot worse. But it’s not going to destroy America. So your response to me is both lazy and insipid. If you disagree with my specific premise that these tariffs are bad for our economy both short and long term, then make your case. But stop trying to exaggerate my response so as to paint me as a Chicken Little. Just makes you look silly. What bad times have begun? I'm making good money in the market, enjoying some part time work. Keeping active. Can easily afford everything I need and want. Living a stress free existence. All my friends and family are fully employed and living good lives. None of them are hurting financially in the least. So what the hell are you talking about? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 2,028 Posted 16 hours ago 18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: For months now you have attacked my warnings about tariffs by claiming that I predict the end of all existence if they continue. I don’t. I predicted bad times ahead, which have already begun because prices are higher. And they’re going to continue to rise, it’s going to get a lot worse. But it’s not going to destroy America. So your response to me is both lazy and insipid. If you disagree with my specific premise that these tariffs are bad for our economy both short and long term, then make your case. But stop trying to exaggerate my response so as to paint me as a Chicken Little. Just makes you look silly. TERRIBLE!! A LOT WORSE!! yeah ok chicken little. Your fear mongering gets tiring on this one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,877 Posted 16 hours ago I guess all these farmers that can't sell their crops are just chicken little leftists that are fear mongering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,254 Posted 16 hours ago Just now, Ron_Artest said: I guess all these farmers that can't sell their crops are just chicken little leftists that are fear mongering. what an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,124 Posted 16 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: I guess all these farmers that can't sell their crops are just chicken little leftists that are fear mongering. As is George Will: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/17/trump-whirlpool-tariffs-putin-poland/ Whirlpool is also a Chicken Little: https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/business/whirlpool-accuses-rivals-of-skirting-trumps-tariffs/ And let’s not forget the biggest Chicken Little of all, John Deere: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/04/business/john-deere-tractor-sales-down-farmers-struggle.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 2,028 Posted 16 hours ago 20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: As is George Will: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2025/09/17/trump-whirlpool-tariffs-putin-poland/ Whirlpool is also a Chicken Little: https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/business/whirlpool-accuses-rivals-of-skirting-trumps-tariffs/ And let’s not forget the biggest Chicken Little of all, John Deere: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/04/business/john-deere-tractor-sales-down-farmers-struggle.html From your NY Post article: "Meanwhile, the retail prices for those products didn’t change, according to the report." OH NOOOOOOOOOOO Terrible!! The end of America! Can't read the rest...WaPo and NY Times are paywalled. And I aint paying for those...ever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 2,019 Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said: They think Trump is smart and knows what he's doing, or they are too proud to admit they were wrong. Sunk cost fallacy running strong with them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
