LPGA Policy Update

[edjr 6,580]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Re: your second paragraph, I don't believe that the Tennessee law under review makes it illegal for kids to seek therapy.  If it does than I object to it.  Presuming I'm right, I'm talking about the specific topic under review, which is not the larger umbrella of "gender-affirming care."  I feel like I'm typing the same thing again at this point; I'm not sure if you get it.  

I still object to putting a system in place which encourages medical transitions of children.  Yes, it's only the LPGA now, but if this takes hold and enough people share your attitude, it will become the norm for all sports.

Imagine a future where a boy shows ability in golf (or tennis or soccer or...), but also is having questions about his gender.  Instead of riding it out for a while, the clock is ticking, he (with his family) need to decide NOW if he wants to become a girl.

he said “riding it out”. heh heh he he heh heh

[jerryskids 6,790]

Just now, edjr said:

he said “riding it out”. heh heh he he heh heh

Good one, Beavis.   

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,091]

41 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Nope- I've stayed on my course-

I think this policy is a good compromise to cover all bases. I'm not for minors to get sex change operations. You all can argue into whatever realm you want to with that

No, you're throwing up straw men and implying I said something I never said. 

I think it goes w/out saying that you're position is a bad position.  Trannies are not allowed in women's spaces.  Period.  End of Story.  Full Stop.  It's not debatable at all.

They are mentally ill and need help, not catering which seems the thing you want to do.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Re: your second paragraph, I don't believe that the Tennessee law under review makes it illegal for kids to seek therapy.  If it does than I object to it.  Presuming I'm right, I'm talking about the specific topic under review, which is not the larger umbrella of "gender-affirming care."  I feel like I'm typing the same thing again at this point; I'm not sure if you get it.  

I still object to putting a system in place which encourages medical transitions of children.  Yes, it's only the LPGA now, but if this takes hold and enough people share your attitude, it will become the norm for all sports.

Imagine a future where a boy shows ability in golf (or tennis or soccer or...), but also is having questions about his gender.  Instead of riding it out for a while, the clock is ticking, he (with his family) need to decide NOW if he wants to become a girl.

Without looking specifically at the arguments laid out by the lawyers I know that gender affirming care as a term is a wide umbrella that refers to a number of things. This is the forum where it always gets boiled down to "sex changes." 

On your last paragraph- I am not someone who believes in legislating to the exceptions....but I realize I might be alone in my thoughts on that in any number of cases

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

No, you're throwing up straw men and implying I said something I never said. 

I think it goes w/out saying that you're position is a bad position.  Trannies are not allowed in women's spaces.  Period.  End of Story.  Full Stop.  It's not debatable at all.

They are mentally ill and need help, not catering which seems the thing you want to do.

The key word I included was "seems."

Regardless of whether I agree or disagree as to where trannies are allowed is not the point. Regardless of whether you agree or disagree is not the point. If an organization just outright puts a position against something they are going to get pushback. If the LPGA just said "NO transgender women" they are opening themselves up to any number of legal battles. By phrasing their statement the way they did they are closing some of those avenues for lawsuits. Not all, but some. The policy is not going to fly to say no transgender women, nor would it fly to say yes allow them all in. They did what they could to cover all sides of the debate. 

[jerryskids 6,790]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Without looking specifically at the arguments laid out by the lawyers I know that gender affirming care as a term is a wide umbrella that refers to a number of things. This is the forum where it always gets boiled down to "sex changes." 

On your last paragraph- I am not someone who believes in legislating to the exceptions....but I realize I might be alone in my thoughts on that in any number of cases

I don't think this is "legislating to the exceptions."  An example of that would be the Left saying "some 10 yr old might get raped by her father and become pregnant and not realize it until she is crowning, so everybody should have abortions until birth, and kids shouldn't need parental consent."

There is no "so everybody" in the case of children getting permanent medical sex change procedures.  

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I don't think this is "legislating to the exceptions."  An example of that would be the Left saying "some 10 yr old might get raped by her father and become pregnant and not realize it until she is crowning, so everybody should have abortions until birth, and kids shouldn't need parental consent."

There is no "so everybody" in the case of children getting permanent medical sex change procedures.  

Who has made that argument? You threw like 4 conditions into one thing to create an argument. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

33 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The BLM riots? That's what you were referring to? A movement that was roughly based around "defund the police" for some people that I did not agree with?

It isn't that I don't remember it. I didn't understand the connection you were making. Settle down junior!!

Of course you don't get the connection... because it shows your hypocrisy.  You might need to go buy bigger shoes for those clown feet.  Or, check the tension on those wires puppet boy.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Of course you don't get the connection... because it shows your hypocrisy.  You might need to go buy bigger shoes for those clown feet.  Or, check the tension on those wires puppet boy.

No- I didn't get the connection because I was discussing the LPGA thing and didn't fully see what you were going for because you decided to try and make it about something else.

I get it- when you have nothing to add play whataboutism. You do that a lot

 

[jerryskids 6,790]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Who has made that argument? You threw like 4 conditions into one thing to create an argument. 

Focus Sean, I gave an extreme example of legislating to exceptions.  I believe that some (not sure here) have argued separately that (1) child rape means parents shouldn't be involved ever, and (2) rare diseases dictate abortion until birth for all.

My point was that eliminating medical transitions for children is a self-contained topic, not legislating to exceptions.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Focus Sean, I gave an extreme example of legislating to exceptions.  I believe that some (not sure here) have argued separately that (1) child rape means parents shouldn't be involved ever, and (2) rare diseases dictate abortion until birth for all.

My point was that eliminating medical transitions for children is a self-contained topic, not legislating to exceptions.

If anyone argues child rape means parents shouldn't be involved they are dumb.

Rare diseases do not dictate abortions for all. That's a dumb argument. 

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

46 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

If anyone argues child rape means parents shouldn't be involved they are dumb.

Rare diseases do not dictate abortions for all. That's a dumb argument. 

 

I think his point is that both, are in fact argued. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

If they can hold two sleeves of titleists up their snootch they can compete, otherwise, no.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Without looking specifically at the arguments laid out by the lawyers I know that gender affirming care as a term is a wide umbrella that refers to a number of things. This is the forum where it always gets boiled down to "sex changes." 

On your last paragraph- I am not someone who believes in legislating to the exceptions....but I realize I might be alone in my thoughts on that in any number of cases

“Gender affirming care”.  Right up there with another favorite of mine - “reproductive healthcare”.  Fock these Leftist hacks and their word-smithing nonsense.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

No- I didn't get the connection because I was discussing the LPGA thing and didn't fully see what you were going for because you decided to try and make it about something else.

I get it- when you have nothing to add play whataboutism. You do that a lot

 

What a leftist said: "That's a whataboutism".

What a leftist meant: "What's good for me, isn't good for you".

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

35 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

I think his point is that both, are in fact argued. 

He threw it all together though into one super scenario. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

6 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

If they can hold two sleeves of titleists up their snootch they can compete, otherwise, no.

Length wise or width wise?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

3 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

“Gender affirming care”.  Right up there with another favorite of mine - “reproductive healthcare”.  Fock these Leftist hacks and their word-smithing nonsense.

So now we want to battle over nomenclature? It's the term for it.

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

What a leftist said: "That's a whataboutism".

What a leftist meant: "What's good for me, isn't good for you".

God you are dense. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

God you are dense. 

You must be related to Fnord.  Either that or irony is the Leftist's main trait.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

You must be related to Fnord.  Either that or irony is the Leftist's main trait.

So you've nothing to add to the conversation or thread I see?

[Patented Phil 1,469]

8 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

If they can hold two sleeves of titleists up their snootch they can compete, otherwise, no.

Did you create that word?

Is it a mixture of “snatch” and “hoochie”?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

9 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Did you create that word?

Is it a mixture of “snatch” and “hoochie”?

Heard it 40 years ago from a guy who was talking about a girl's ripper, you know, her snootch.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

14 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Length wise or width wise?

Dealers choice.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Dealers choice.

I feel like length wise would be best

[jerryskids 6,790]

21 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

“Gender affirming care”.  Right up there with another favorite of mine - “reproductive healthcare”.  Fock these Leftist hacks and their word-smithing nonsense.

It's interesting.  "Gender affirming" implies... affirming.  So the therapy encapsulated within are designed to "affirm" the patient's belief that they are a different gender, not to have difficult discussions which might lead the patient to conclude otherwise.  We certainly see that in the 150+ for-profit gender clinics that have popped up in recent years.

"Reproductive healthcare" is also interesting, as it is a euphemism for "abortion" which is the opposite of reproduction.

[jerryskids 6,790]

29 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

If they can hold two sleeves of titleists up their snootch they can compete, otherwise, no.

Ben Wa Hogan balls?   

[Maximum Overkill 1,987]

Why is this so hard for Libs? If you have a Dik you're a Man, if you have a Vag you're a Woman. Men play Men's sports and Women play Women's sports. 

If you cut your Dik off you're still a Man!!!! 

And a plastic strap-on doesn't make a woman a Man, you're a Lesbo.

I'm too good at this, I'm bored of WINNING  

Thank you, don't forget to tip your waitresses. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It's interesting.  "Gender affirming" implies... affirming.  So the therapy encapsulated within are designed to "affirm" the patient's belief that they are a different gender, not to have difficult discussions which might lead the patient to conclude otherwise.  We certainly see that in the 150+ for-profit gender clinics that have popped up in recent years.

"Reproductive healthcare" is also interesting, as it is a euphemism for "abortion" which is the opposite of reproduction.

Job creation?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Ben Wa Hogan balls?   

Nicely played.

[Maximum Overkill 1,987]

Is that a club in your pants or are you just happy to see me? 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

5 hours ago, jerryskids said:

It's interesting.  "Gender affirming" implies... affirming.  So the therapy encapsulated within are designed to "affirm" the patient's belief that they are a different gender, not to have difficult discussions which might lead the patient to conclude otherwise.  We certainly see that in the 150+ for-profit gender clinics that have popped up in recent years.

"Reproductive healthcare" is also interesting, as it is a euphemism for "abortion" which is the opposite of reproduction.

Exactly jerry.  Well done.

[Strike 5,535]

22 hours ago, jerryskids said:

It's interesting.  "Gender affirming" implies... affirming.  So the therapy encapsulated within are designed to "affirm" the patient's belief that they are a different gender, not to have difficult discussions which might lead the patient to conclude otherwise.  We certainly see that in the 150+ for-profit gender clinics that have popped up in recent years.

"Reproductive healthcare" is also interesting, as it is a euphemism for "abortion" which is the opposite of reproduction.

These terms are straight out of 1984.