Does MAGA have a problem with teh gheys or no?

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33 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

From Slate, 2015, right after Obergefell:

Full article:  https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/06/same-sex-marriage-and-progressive-politics-can-they-coexist.html

Well if Slate said it, must be true.  

I don’t think personal rights and freedoms, like the right to marry the consenting adult of your choice, is necessarily left or right.

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11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t really care since the guy got elected anyway, but you shouldn’t just straight up lie, especially when calling other people liars

https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db

Sexual abuse.  It’s right in the headline, lawyer. They must give you the important jobs. 

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18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Yeah... I think that is unfortunate, because I think there is actually value in separating MAPs who haven't assaulted kids, from pedos who have.  I would like MAPs to get therapy or whatever they need to not assault kids.  IMO they are two different things, but unfortunately you are probably correct, and obfuscating the two will eventually lead to normalizing pedos.   

I remember during my college psych days that pedophilia, child sexual abuse, etc is one of the mental illness issues (if you want to refer to it as that) that's nearly impossible to get therapy or rehab for. Nearly all of them reoffend, or never really get past being "minor attracted persons." 

That's why it's probably the one offense I believe they need to be locked up for life for. Castration, chemical castration, or other medical/medicinal therapies don't work; it's in the brain. 

I think it would be very difficult to be a MAP and NOT assault a child; I mean....what's a MAP if you don't sexually desire a child? 

Gross. 

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6 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I remember during my college psych days that pedophilia, child sexual abuse, etc is one of the mental illness issues (if you want to refer to it as that) that's nearly impossible to get therapy or rehab for. Nearly all of them reoffend, or never really get past being "minor attracted persons." 

That's why it's probably the one offense I believe they need to be locked up for life for. Castration, chemical castration, or other medical/medicinal therapies don't work; it's in the brain. 

I think it would be very difficult to be a MAP and NOT assault a child; I mean....what's a MAP if you don't sexually desire a child? 

Gross. 

I worked for a behavioral health provider that provides mental healthcare to inmates many years ago. I was surprised to learn that recidivism rates among child sexually abusers are lower than a lot of other crimes and much lower than most people think.

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29 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t really care since the guy got elected anyway, but you shouldn’t just straight up lie, especially when calling other people liars

https://apnews.com/article/trump-rape-carroll-trial-fe68259a4b98bb3947d42af9ec83d7db

 

Joe Biden is not only a Kid Toucher  

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20 minutes ago, MDC said:

Well if Slate said it, must be true.  

I don’t think personal rights and freedoms, like the right to marry the consenting adult of your choice, is necessarily left or right.

Well if you disagree with Slate, you must be correct.     Just because you think it should always have been normal (it wasn't, ask Clinton or Obama when they opposed it), it was in fact a progressive movement, and continues to be expanding in the interest of trans rights including minors.

Do you at least agree on this latter part, or do you still not see the relationship.

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Well if you disagree with Slate, you must be correct.     Just because you think it should always have been normal (it wasn't, ask Clinton or Obama when they opposed it), it was in fact a progressive movement, and continues to be expanding in the interest of trans rights including minors.

Do you at least agree on this latter part, or do you still not see the relationship.

No, I don’t think granting consenting adults the right to marry each other has anything to do with kids changing their genders.

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33 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

@IGotWorms   You really need to get outside and touch grass. 

I’ve been on three backpacking trips this year, you manipulative lying dummy

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

No, I don’t think granting consenting adults the right to marry each other has anything to do with kids changing their genders.

Gay marriage expanded LGBTQ+ rights, trans is the "T", so by association it could lead to expanded trans rights, as spelled out in the slate article.

Look, I don't want to be insulting, but I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone could NOT see gay marriage as a progressive movement, or how that helped pave the way to the trans right expansion (safe spaces, sports, kids).  If you can't or don't want to see it, let's just agree to disagree and move on.   

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28 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sexual abuse.  It’s right in the headline, lawyer. They must give you the important jobs. 

Oh I see we’re rolling back the classic RP semantics game.

I call sexual abuse rape. Might be a tad over inclusive but it’s generally close enough for me and most everyone else with half a brain.

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I never understood guys who hated gay dudes.  All the gay dudes I ever met are hilarious and that's one less guy at the bar hitting on the girl I'm trying for.

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump was never found liable for rape. More lies from Gutterboy. 

Whatever rationalization you need to vote for the POS.

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7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Oh I see we’re rolling back the classic RP semantics game.

I call sexual abuse rape. Might be a tad over inclusive but it’s generally close enough for me and most everyone else with half a brain.

Oh. Do you call burglary and trespassing the same thing too? You’re a real legal eagle. 

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11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Gay marriage expanded LGBTQ+ rights, trans is the "T", so by association it could lead to expanded trans rights, as spelled out in the slate article.

Look, I don't want to be insulting, but I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone could NOT see gay marriage as a progressive movement, or how that helped pave the way to the trans right expansion (safe spaces, sports, kids).  If you can't or don't want to see it, let's just agree to disagree and move on.   

I guess I don’t see what adult couples getting married has to do with minor kids changing genders. Or why that’s any different than say interracial marriage? But whatever, agree to disagree.  

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I guess I don’t see what adult couples getting married has to do with minor kids changing genders. Or why that’s any different than say interracial marriage? But whatever, agree to disagree.  

I just explained it, you don't see how it was a progressive movement although it clearly was, you don't see how LGBTQ+ rights lead to future movements for more rights... you just don't see it and offer nothing else.  Agree to disagree.   

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Imagine how much of a dope you have to be to think that as a society becomes more liberal that it wouldn’t lead to a call for children to be able to change genders. I guess you would have to think that the changing gender for kids issue could have come before the gay marriage issue and it would be viewed the same. 

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I just explained it, you don't see how it was a progressive movement although it clearly was, you don't see how LGBTQ+ rights lead to future movements for more rights... you just don't see it and offer nothing else.  Agree to disagree.   

You explained it. I just think your reasoning is flawed and you’re wrong. But that’s okay.  

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1 hour ago, MDC said:

I don’t see how allowing two consenting adults to be married is a progressive movement or what that has to do with medically transitioning minors. 

Tell that to Bill Clinton, Obama, Hilary, Biden…. Basically the entire political population in the country was either against gay marriage or refused to openly support it, all the way up until fairly recently.

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Gay marriage expanded LGBTQ+ rights, trans is the "T", so by association it could lead to expanded trans rights, as spelled out in the slate article.

Look, I don't want to be insulting, but I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone could NOT see gay marriage as a progressive movement, or how that helped pave the way to the trans right expansion (safe spaces, sports, kids).  If you can't or don't want to see it, let's just agree to disagree and move on.   

See this is exactly what I’m saying. MAGA is reexamining the whole support for gays thing because of its strenuous objection to trannies and I think probably some other stuff with a less direct effect 

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18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh. Do you call burglary and trespassing the same thing too? You’re a real legal eagle. 

Oh you think I’m doing a legal thing now? lol that’s funny. No I’ll send you a bill when I’m doing that and guess what, I screen my clients so it’ll never happen anyways

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1 minute ago, Patented Phil said:

Tell that to Bill Clinton, Obama, Hilary, Biden…. Basically the entire political population in the country was either against gay marriage or refused to openly support it, all the way up until fairly recently.

Aren’t you proving my point? Even Tardcore likes to point out that Trump was the first POTUS to support gay marriage. How is that a progressive movement? 

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15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

See this is exactly what I’m saying. MAGA is reexamining the whole support for gays thing because of its strenuous objection to trannies and I think probably some other stuff with a less direct effect 

I'm not saying that.  I was explaining how it, like all progressive movements, was a slippery slope.  In fact I specifically said up thread that I'm not saying it.

But, you famously like to attribute stuff to me that I've never said because you think you know me so well, so I look forward to your response.   

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21 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

See this is exactly what I’m saying. MAGA is reexamining the whole support for gays thing because of its strenuous objection to trannies and I think probably some other stuff with a less direct effect 

It wasn’t MAGA who changed LGB to LGBTQ+

In 2010 a business leader in the financial services company I worked at “came out”.  He was universally supported.  Then he created a Gay and Lesbian Group at the company.  They’d meet once a week after work for a half hour or so.  People went along with it, though some questioned it a bit.  Then the guy started promoting his group at recruiting sessions and new employee training and indoctrination meetings.  That was where he lost a lot of his support.  That’s the type of promotional nonsense I’m talking about.

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21 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm not saying that.  I was explaining how it, like all progressive movements, was a slippery slope.  In fact I specifically said up thread that I'm not saying it.

But, you famously like to attribute stuff to me that I've never said because you think you know me so well, so I look forward to your response.   

I guess I’m confused then as this would seem to be the logic behind the “slippery slope” argument? That we shouldn’t have given rights to gays (or however you want to phrase it) because trannies were next. Am I misunderstanding something? Despite your snark I am really not trying to misattribute anything to anyone here

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I would not undo giving gays the right to get married. Giving the gays the right to get married and their widespread acceptance in society also led to the push for the transgender issues to also be normalized, which lead to pushing it on the kids. This isn’t in dispute. We all witnessed it. Just stop. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I would not undo giving gays the right to get married. Giving the gays the right to get married and their widespread acceptance in society also led to the push for the transgender issues to also be normalized, which lead to pushing it on the kids. This isn’t in dispute. We all witnessed it. Just stop. 

Fair enough but you do understand how your statements are contradictory, yes?

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4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I guess I’m confused then as this would seem to be the logic behind the “slippery slope” argument? That we shouldn’t have given rights to gays (or however you want to phrase it) because trannies were next. Am I misunderstanding something? Despite your snark I am really not trying to misattribute anything to anyone here

I'm saying that I don't object to gays being married, but recognize that allowing it was a slippery slope, because all progressive movements are slippery slopes.  We are literally living through it now with trans rights as I've listed (women's safe spaces, women's sports, kids, etc.).

Sorry for the snark, but I've now said at least three times that I don't object to gays being married, and you are saying I said we should have given rights to gays.

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You magas are so naive.  This whole transgender BS and the larger culture war in general was the diversion.  How many people were actually negatively impacted by a transgender or transgender rights? .001%?  But it's a huge thing right?  It's a threat to America, right?  come on.

Trump ran transgender commercials non stop to scare you into voting for him and now he's filling his cabinets with billionaires with their sights on stealing more money from all of us.

Congrats.

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Just now, jerryskids said:

I'm saying that I don't object to gays being married, but recognize that allowing it was a slippery slope, because all progressive movements are slippery slopes.  We are literally living through it now with trans rights as I've listed (women's safe spaces, women's sports, kids, etc.).

Sorry for the snark, but I've now said at least three times that I don't object to gays being married, and you are saying I said we should have given rights to gays.

My response to you is the same as to HT. I understand your position now and I am not trying to misstate it. But you do understand how that seems to imply some degree of regret for supporting the gays, right? Like maybe you’re saying (now) that you wouldn’t undo it, but it could look like the door is open a bit, no?

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7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

My response to you is the same as to HT. I understand your position now and I am not trying to misstate it. But you do understand how that seems to imply some degree of regret for supporting the gays, right? Like maybe you’re saying (now) that you wouldn’t undo it, but it could look like the door is open a bit, no?

No. Someone’s rights shouldnt be denied because of someone else taking advantage of our liberal society. I don’t like the white trash that curse around kids non stop but I don’t want to deny anyone else their  rights because of that. 

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31 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

My response to you is the same as to HT. I understand your position now and I am not trying to misstate it. But you do understand how that seems to imply some degree of regret for supporting the gays, right? Like maybe you’re saying (now) that you wouldn’t undo it, but it could look like the door is open a bit, no?

I understand what you are saying, and I'm telling you that it's possible to support one thing and oppose the inevitable slippery slope thing it leads to. 

Moving on from this somewhat, I'm sure you'll recall the hard progressive push to call gay unions "marriages," and the similarly strong objection from opponents.  The reasoning from the progressive side is that if you draw any differences, in language or otherwise, then they wouldn't quite be "married" the same as hetero couples.

I think we see that now in the trans progressive movement.  Bathrooms, spas, prisons, sports... progressives insist that trans "women" share these spaces.  Otherwise, they aren't quite women.

I think it also explains the conundrum that progressive people have in defining a "woman."  Because to define it, you kinda need a word that is specific to a biological woman.  Let's say we use "female" as such a word.  A woman would thus be "a person who identifies as a female."  But nono, they can't do that, because now female is a difference.

Anyway, just my thoughts.   

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

My response to you is the same as to HT. I understand your position now and I am not trying to misstate it. But you do understand how that seems to imply some degree of regret for supporting the gays, right? Like maybe you’re saying (now) that you wouldn’t undo it, but it could look like the door is open a bit, no?

I was always a supporter of same-sex marriage. Knowing what I know now, and how the movement evolved, I would definitively be less supportive if I could time travel. 

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8 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

I was always a supporter of same-sex marriage. Knowing what I know now, and how the movement evolved, I would definitively be less supportive if I could time travel. 

What if there was an effort to roll that back now? Would you support it?

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25 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

What if there was an effort to roll that back now? Would you support it?

Cat’s already out of the bag. 

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1 hour ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

You magas are so naive.  This whole transgender BS and the larger culture war in general was the diversion.  How many people were actually negatively impacted by a transgender or transgender rights? .001%?  But it's a huge thing right?  It's a threat to America, right?  come on.

Trump ran transgender commercials non stop to scare you into voting for him and now he's filling his cabinets with billionaires with their sights on stealing more money from all of us.

Congrats.

Blaming MAGA for Leftist lunacy...  Are you a contortionist in your spare time?

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8 minutes ago, avoiding injuries said:

Cat’s already out of the bag. 

But there is no way I’d ever support anything for MAP. They should be treated the same as pedophiles. 

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2 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

You magas are so naive.  This whole transgender BS and the larger culture war in general was the diversion.  How many people were actually negatively impacted by a transgender or transgender rights? .001%? 

 

It is not just the few boxers or the few swimmers who miss out on the championship because some dude won.  It is every female athlete who knows their opportunities are limited because after all the hard work they put in, their dreams can be ripped away by some dude masquerading as a female.   So it is literally millions of females who compete in sports who are impacted.   It is hopelessly rigging the system so championships and records are unobtainable.  

 

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1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

Blaming MAGA for Leftist lunacy...  Are you a contortionist in your spare time?

Pretzel logic, revisionist history and gaslighting are his area of expertise.  I believe he has a doctorate in each outrage discipline.

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3 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

You magas are so naive.  This whole transgender BS and the larger culture war in general was the diversion.  How many people were actually negatively impacted by a transgender or transgender rights? .001%?  But it's a huge thing right?  It's a threat to America, right?  come on.

Trump ran transgender commercials non stop to scare you into voting for him and now he's filling his cabinets with billionaires with their sights on stealing more money from all of us.

Congrats.

I don't know where you got that number, but if it is so infrequent, just don't let them go into the women's safe space, or trans the kids.  Very few of them are impacted.  Problem solved?

 

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1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

I don't know where you got that number, but if it is so infrequent, just don't let them go into the women's safe space, or trans the kids.  Very few of them are impacted.  Problem solved?

 

Sure, problem solved.  Would that stop the right from shooting up cases of bus light?