NFL Wild Card Weekend Games

[listen2me 23 1,825]

53 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I will only disagree with you in terms of Pat. 

I do agree that Josh Allen embodies "hero ball" a little more than Pat... but I also don't think hero ball is what you really want to bank on, and it may be indicative of why Buffalo has been unable to beat KC in the playoffs despite regularly beating them in the regular season. 

As much as people can be tired of Mahomes and his commercials, etc, it's hard to deny his leadership, savvy, ability to make all the throws and his penchant for the big play in the right moment. 

As for a step back year, maybe. People were saying that because of his weapons... the loss of Diggs, no true #1, Keon Coleman possibly being a reach... I never bought that. Diggs has become a bit of a cancer and Josh Allen doesn't need a pro bowl WR to make him. He's capable of making a pro bowl WR. I think the bigger issue was the Jets on paper with a heathy Rodgers and the idea that the Dolphins would at least stay the course, if not improve. 

Wasnt saying I put Josh above Pat.  Winning matters.  Just saying there isnt a QB in the league that can do what Josh does and literally wills his team down the field.  He will be fading away 1 foot from OB and drop a 40 yard pass in.  He will run dudes over.   

Andy Reid is what?  A top 3 coach of all time?   Josh has a defensive HC. Had Ken Dorsey who got fired mid season last year and now Joe Brady.  

Josh cant really get above Pat.  I understand that.  But if we are out on a field and we are captains picking teams to play 1 game...ill take Josh.  

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42 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

He also has yet to beat Pat when it matters.  He may eventually get that monkey off his back, but there's no guarantee.  Pat never accomplished that very thing he sought against Brady.  

I don't care how much better of a pocket passer or scrambler you think Josh Allen is than Mahomes.  The true measuring stick is Super Bowls, and there's no way I'd trade our QB for any other option out there.

SBs matter a ton.  Winning in general matters.  

But not sure id call SBs "the true measuring stick".  Do you put Terry Bradshaw amongst the best QB ever?  By best I mean like top 5 or even top 10?  Nick Foles won a SB.  Dan Marino did not.  How can one say SBs "are the true measuring stick for QBs" if you dont rate those guys accordingly because of SBs?  

The clutch factor on way through playoffs and in SBs that some QBs display is certainly a measuring stick.  But just SB wins?  Not sure that is the "true measuring stick".  If you believe it is, id love to see your top 10 QBs in order of all time.  

[WhiteWonder 2,675]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

Wasnt saying I put Josh above Pat.  Winning matters.  Just saying there isnt a QB in the league that can do what Josh does and literally wills his team down the field.  He will be fading away 1 foot from OB and drop a 40 yard pass in.  He will run dudes over.   

Andy Reid is what?  A top 3 coach of all time?   Josh has a defensive HC. Had Ken Dorsey who got fired mid season last year and now Joe Brady.  

Josh cant really get above Pat.  I understand that.  But if we are out on a field and we are captains picking teams to play 1 game...ill take Josh.  

Again i'm going to just slightly disagree with you.  We have seen Mahomes literally will his team down the field. We've seen him do it with Tyreek and a prime Kelce and we've seen him do it with not many weapons at all. We've seen him extend plays and make off balance throws at the last second, zip one in side arm if needed (and sometimes if not needed ). No, he's not running anyone over like Josh but it's different body types. 

Andy Reid is viewed as a top coach all time... now. It's not like that was the narrative before Mahomes. 

Mahomes can make all the throws Allen can make, and likely more. The difference is Allen's running. It's great that he is capable of it but is that what you really want and is that a winning formula?  He's definitely better than Lamar.   Picking teams to play 1 game i'll let you have Josh all day and pick Pat no questions asked. Burrow would be up there as well. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,924]

When Allen beat Mahomes earlier this year it didn’t matter? Chiefs dooshes were sure acting like it did. 

[cmh6476 1,010]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When Allen beat Mahomes earlier this year it didn’t matter? Chiefs dooshes were sure acting like it did. 

He's beat Mahomes in the regular season, just not the playoffs. Only Burrow and Brady have.

 

If you ask the players, I think they would agree with me in what really matters most. 

[supermike80 1,801]

Last chance for my Lions. Tons of coaches and front office interviewing for upgrades.  And next years schedule suckkkssdd

[cmh6476 1,010]

4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Last chance for my Lions. Tons of coaches and front office interviewing for upgrades.  And next years schedule suckkkssdd

Home games: Chicago (5-12), Green Bay (11-6), Minnesota (14-3), Dallas (7-10), New York Giants (3-14), Cleveland (3-14), Pittsburgh (10-7) and Tampa Bay (10-7).

Road games: Chicago (5-12), Green Bay (11-6), Minnesota (14-3), Washington (12-5), Philadelphia (14-3), Cincinnati (9-8), Baltimore (12-5), Kansas City (15-2) and Los Angeles Rams (10-7).

KC , Tampa and the Rams are the only teams different than who your divisional opponents play.   Just win your division games and the rest usually takes care of itself.   It's not like every other NFC South, NFC East or AFC West foe that your division rivals will face are going to be pushovers.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Home games: Chicago (5-12), Green Bay (11-6), Minnesota (14-3), Dallas (7-10), New York Giants (3-14), Cleveland (3-14), Pittsburgh (10-7) and Tampa Bay (10-7).

Road games: Chicago (5-12), Green Bay (11-6), Minnesota (14-3), Washington (12-5), Philadelphia (14-3), Cincinnati (9-8), Baltimore (12-5), Kansas City (15-2) and Los Angeles Rams (10-7).

KC , Tampa and the Rams are the only teams different than who your divisional opponents play.   Just win your division games and the rest usually takes care of itself.   It's not like every other NFC South, NFC East or AFC West foe that your division rivals will face are going to be pushovers.

 

 

Im not sure your point here. Thats a tough ass schedule. Not saying they cant make the playoffs again, but boy thats a brutal road schedule

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8 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Im not sure your point here. Thats a tough ass schedule. Not saying they cant make the playoffs again, but boy thats a brutal road schedule

I'm saying you only have three different matchups than your divisional opponents.   Losers make excuses, winners win

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Ryan Clark playing the race card.  Basically says if Allen wins MVP its because people dont appreciate Lamar like they do Josh because of thr color of his skin.  

Oh did they appreciate him the other 2 MVPs he was awarded?  Wtf is this clown talking about?

Bu the way after Lamar Jackson was awarded 1st team all pro....the MVP odds totally flipped.  Allen was 4 to 1 favorite.  Now Lamar is a 2.5 to 1 favorite.   

People today have a thirst for finding racism in anything even if it makes zero sense.  

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43 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Ryan Clark playing the race card.  Basically says if Allen wins MVP its because people dont appreciate Lamar like they do Josh because of thr color of his skin.  

Oh did they appreciate him the other 2 MVPs he was awarded?  Wtf is this clown talking about?

Bu the way after Lamar Jackson was awarded 1st team all pro....the MVP odds totally flipped.  Allen was 4 to 1 favorite.  Now Lamar is a 2.5 to 1 favorite.   

People today have a thirst for finding racism in anything even if it makes zero sense.  

Russ gonna cook and bo gonna nix the bills and either one can enjoy their trophy sitting at home after this weekend 

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16 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Russ gonna cook and bo gonna nix the bills and either one can enjoy their trophy sitting at home after this weekend 

Id laugh if ballots are in Lamar MVP thrn they lose to Russ Wilson in the WC.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,924]

Cryan Clark. I guess he is the new race card spokesman.  It’s the only time he gets any pub

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Again its all about SBs.  But with the playoffs not yet started ill talk about awards.  P

Perhaps because he is white.  

Josh Allen has FIVE consecutive seasons of 40+ touchdowns. No other QB in NFL history has more than two straight. In that time period he was ONE AP Second Team All-Pro to show for it.

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Cryan Clark. I guess he is the new race card spokesman.  It’s the only time he gets any pub

When he first came to the media I sort ot liked him.  Hes fairly well spoken.  Calm.  Played the game.  But my God if he didnt turn out to be one of thr biggest racists on TV.  

If Lamar doesnt win MVP its because Lamar isnt appreciated like Josh because hes black.  Did they focking appreciate him when they handed him 2 MVPs?  Josh had like 15 more TDs and 1000 more pass yds than him last year.  

Its amazing these clowns get paid to go on TV to race bait and on top of it make no coherent sense in doing it.  

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Lamar has more 1st team all pros than playoff wins.  

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Ravens: 4 1st team all pros. 2 2nd team.  One being Lamar. 

KC: 3 1st team. 1 2nd team.  With no QB out of the 4. 

Bills: 1 2nd team.  Josh Allen.  

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49 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Ravens: 4 1st team all pros. 2 2nd team.  One being Lamar. 

KC: 3 1st team. 1 2nd team.  With no QB out of the 4. 

Bills: 1 2nd team.  Josh Allen.  

Just to clarify, this is the nflpa (players choice) all- pro awards.   They can only vote for their position or who they line up against on the opposite side of the field. The ap all-pro honors will be revealed at a later date, but I assume this vote has influence on that one. 

[cmh6476 1,010]

Don't care who wins just glad to be back to playoff football

[DonS 3,292]

3 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

Don't care who wins just glad to be back to playoff football

#metoo.  Just hoping this first game is competitive. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,924]

Houston doing it all wrong. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,924]

I hope we get some more penalties. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,924]

The Chargers didn’t step on them early when Houston was stinking up the joint.  Dis the NFL. You gotta stomp em out. 

[supermike80 1,801]

That was unexpected 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

39 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The Chargers didn’t step on them early when Houston was stinking up the joint.  Dis the NFL. You gotta stomp em out. 

I agree with this.   I stayed away betting wise but was rooting for Chargers.  

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3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I agree with this.   I stayed away betting wise but was rooting for Chargers.  

I wasn't this smart.  I should have known The Chargers were gonna Charger.  Hopefully the Ravens perform better.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,924]

Steelers have no chance. If they win I won’t post for a week. 

[DonS 3,292]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Steelers have no chance. If they win I won’t post for a week. 

Definitely not looking good. 

But hey Tomlin finished above .500 in the regular season again.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,924]

7 minutes ago, DonS said:

Definitely not looking good. 

But hey Tomlin finished above .500 in the regular season again.

Complete mismatch. 

[DonS 3,292]

Didn't realize it was legal to broadcast such a brutal gang rape live like this. 

[supermike80 1,801]

AFC games living up to the expectation of being boring AF.

Tomorrows games should be better

[DonS 3,292]

PIT actually making this a game???  

[DonS 3,292]

2 minutes ago, DonS said:

PIT actually making this a game???  

Oops. Maybe not. 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

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[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

Breaks my heart but the Eagles lose at home today. 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

49 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Breaks my heart but the Eagles lose at home today. 

Dont do this.  Thats my shtick going into these playoffs.  

Depends on Hurts.  If hes regular they win.  If hes rusty and plays a bad game they could lose.  Nothing ground breaking there.  Packers just have what seems like no momentum this year.  Good season, stat wise they had a better team than last season.  Much better defense by pure numbers.  Pretty high in advanced stats on offense like DOVA.  But they just dont seem to have it in them this season.  They can play with anyone but lost to most all the top teams they played this season.  

I generally give Jaire and Watson a hard time.  But missing both is rather big in that it limits what you can do.  The CB depth behind Jaire is below average.  The weakness of the defense.  Mckinney roaming deep middle covers up the CBs some.  Then Watson, as inconsistent as he is, does bring just pure vertical speed on every down hes out there.  Pound fot pound hes one of the fastest guys out there.  Him coming down full speed on you is rather scary.  Now if he catches it or not is a different question.  But he changed how teams had to play the Packers.  That is an element that is just lost now.   The WRs have been underwhelming this year.  After Reeds fast start, he went ghost or dropped passes.  Wicks gets open but cant catch.  Doubs most consistent and did go off vs Cowboys in the WC last year.  At least one will have to step up big with some chunk plays.  

Reed and Wicks are tied for 3rd most drops in the league.  And not like they are targeted like the guys with similar total drops.  About half as many targets as most guys in the top 10.  

Doubs again with like half the targets as many of the players around his drop number comes in at 9th most drops in league.   

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Breaks my heart but the Eagles lose at home today. 

I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion.  The Eagles are better in almost every facet of the game than the packers - and I'm a die-hard Packers fan.  While I EXPECT GB to keep it competitive, I don't see them winning this game.

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13 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Dont do this.  Thats my shtick going into these playoffs.  

Depends on Hurts.  If hes regular they win.  If hes rusty and plays a bad game they could lose.  Nothing ground breaking there.  Packers just have what seems like no momentum this year.  Good season, stat wise they had a better team than last season.  Much better defense by pure numbers.  Pretty high in advanced stats on offense like DOVA.  But they just dont seem to have it in them this season.  They can play with anyone but lost to most all the top teams they played this season.  

I generally give Jaire and Watson a hard time.  But missing both is rather big in that it limits what you can do.  The CB depth behind Jaire is below average.  The weakness of the defense.  Mckinney roaming deep middle covers up the CBs some.  Then Watson, as inconsistent as he is, does bring just pure vertical speed on every down hes out there.  Pound fot pound hes one of the fastest guys out there.  Him coming down full speed on you is rather scary.  Now if he catches it or not is a different question.  But he changed how teams had to play the Packers.  That is an element that is just lost now.   The WRs have been underwhelming this year.  After Reeds fast start, he went ghost or dropped passes.  Wicks gets open but cant catch.  Doubs most consistent and did go off vs Cowboys in the WC last year.  At least one will have to step up big with some chunk plays.  

Reed and Wicks are tied for 3rd most drops in the league.  And not like they are targeted like the guys with similar total drops.  About half as many targets as most guys in the top 10.  

Doubs again with like half the targets as many of the players around his drop number comes in at 9th most drops in league.   

You've stated this very well.  I agree with this 100%. 

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1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion.  The Eagles are better in almost every facet of the game than the packers - and I'm a die-hard Packers fan.  While I EXPECT GB to keep it competitive, I don't see them winning this game.

Think they try to keep Hurts from running much because he had a recent concussion? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

Just now, jbycho said:

Think they try to keep Hurts from running much because he had a recent concussion? 

So, Saquon Barkley isn't gonna' play today?  Sure, the Pack has the potential TO win, but the stars would have to align for that to happen.  Or they become the team that destroyed DAL last year in the playoffs, but the Eagles are NOT that DAL team.