RLLD 4,201 Posted February 6 21 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: lol you must be trolling right? What sort of negotiations are you expecting? The Arab states want the Palestinians to have their own state in Gaza, the West Bank, and Jerusalem. And they want all Palestinians to have the right to return to Israel and live there if they wish with full rights as citizens. These have been their core demands for peace for the the last 70 years and they have not changed. What kind of negotiation are you thinking is going to happen here? I expect back and forth diplomatically for a while, then maybe some specific moves which suggest we are moving on the intent....and then more negotiations behind closed doors resulting in the players of the region taking the active role in handling the Palestidiots. Its simple, but it requires steady and emphatic pressure, I love this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,121 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, RLLD said: IMHO Trump laid down the warning, and now the players we need to own this situation have weighed in, and now it’s time to turn to them and tell them to step up, or we will. Negotiation, crafty.....love it..... “Or we will”. What does this mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,662 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, RLLD said: IMHO Trump laid down the warning, and now the players we need to own this situation have weighed in, and now its time to turn to them and tell them to step up, or we will. Negotiation, crafty.....love it..... Crafty? What happens when they call our bluff? Are you prepared to go through with Trump’s proposal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,662 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, RLLD said: I expect back and forth diplomatically for a while, then maybe some specific moves which suggest we are moving on the intent....and then more negotiations behind closed doors resulting in the players of the region taking the active role in handling the Palestidiots. Its simple, but it requires steady and emphatic pressure, I love this. No offense but I think you’re crazy. That or you’re looking for a way to defend Trump’s craziness. Either way it’s totally out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,201 Posted February 6 6 minutes ago, thegeneral said: “Or we will”. What does this mean? Its something of a game. You can start a negotiation in a variety of ways, depending on your opponent and the situation in general. Trump is leading with the threat here. NO ONE....in that arena wants the US to go into Gaza, hand in hand with Israel. NO ONE wants to be seen allowing that to happen. SO.....their first move is predictable, stand up and say no. All good, part of the plan and equation. Next move will be on the part of Trump and Bibi.....announce the plan, with clear actions behind it, get things to appear in motion. This forces the hand of the regional players, who will get working behind the scenes to discuss alternatives with Trump. Then Trump says "ok, fine, I am willing to back out so long as YOU all are willing to take the lead in restoring Gaza, ensuring no terrorists run the place or use it as a base". They wont want to do this of course, but will to avoid having Trump/US show them up. This is an oversimplification of what will transpire. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,121 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Crafty? What happens when they call our bluff? Are you prepared to go through with Trump’s proposal? Seriously. It’s not hard to see through these empty threats. One thing is certain. It will be fantastic and the greatest peace we have ever seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,201 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: No offense but I think you’re crazy. That or you’re looking for a way to defend Trump’s craziness. Either way it’s totally out there. I understand. But I have spent years immersed in that region, working with government agencies. Nothing is simple. You and I will have to agree to disagree on the how here. I get that you object, and I think that is fine, would not begrudge you that. I am excited by this, I know that region and what is possible through this style of approach. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,201 Posted February 6 7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Crafty? What happens when they call our bluff? Are you prepared to go through with Trump’s proposal? Sure. I like the way he laid it out. Whether it is America, or some other composition of nations, we get a better end result. If you prefer to sustain the paradigm which has resulted in nothing but death and misery, that is fine, I want something new. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,662 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, RLLD said: Sure. I like the way he laid it out. Whether it is America, or some other composition of nations, we get a better end result. If you prefer to sustain the paradigm which has resulted in nothing but death and misery, that is fine, I want something new. I want something new too, but that something new has to involve an Israel willing to pull its settlers out of areas that have been designated for the Palestinians, willing to commit to a Palestinian state on its borders, and willing to grant the Palestinian people simple dignity. Once that happens then I think you will see some movement on the Arab side, and great pressure from the Arab countries on the Palestinians to ditch the extremists like Hamas and enter into real negotiations for a two or three state solution. Not before. And as for this idea of relocating the Palestinian people from Gaza it is NEVER going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,043 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I want something new too, but that something new has to involve an Israel willing to pull its settlers out of areas that have been designated for the Palestinians, willing to commit to a Palestinian state on its borders, and willing to grant the Palestinian people simple dignity. Once that happens then I think you will see some movement on the Arab side, and great pressure from the Arab countries on the Palestinians to ditch the extremists like Hamas and enter into real negotiations for a two or three state solution. Not before. And as for this idea of relocating the Palestinian people from Gaza it is NEVER going to happen. I like the idea of giving them their own island in the South Pacific. Sun, warm weather, beautiful coastlines and, especially, NO JEWS! what's not to like? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,121 Posted February 6 14 minutes ago, RLLD said: Its something of a game. You can start a negotiation in a variety of ways, depending on your opponent and the situation in general. Trump is leading with the threat here. NO ONE....in that arena wants the US to go into Gaza, hand in hand with Israel. NO ONE wants to be seen allowing that to happen. SO.....their first move is predictable, stand up and say no. All good, part of the plan and equation. Next move will be on the part of Trump and Bibi.....announce the plan, with clear actions behind it, get things to appear in motion. This forces the hand of the regional players, who will get working behind the scenes to discuss alternatives with Trump. Then Trump says "ok, fine, I am willing to back out so long as YOU all are willing to take the lead in restoring Gaza, ensuring no terrorists run the place or use it as a base". They wont want to do this of course, but will to avoid having Trump/US show them up. This is an oversimplification of what will transpire. When they say go ahead. Want happens? Are we moving troops in? They know we aren’t. There will be super “amazing” deal made. There will be some new terrorist attack - tens of thousand of new ones have been created in past year - and then repeat the process. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,662 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: I like the idea of giving them their own island in the South Pacific. Sun, warm weather, beautiful coastlines and, especially, NO JEWS! what's not to like? What’s not to like is that Palestine is their homeland. It’s where the Prophet Muhammad leaped off his horse El-Buraq at the Dome of the Rock and ascended into Heaven where he met Moses, Jesus Christ, and Allah. They ain’t giving it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,043 Posted February 6 Just now, The Real timschochet said: What’s not to like is that Palestine is their homeland. It’s where the Prophet Muhammad leaped off his horse El-Buraq at the Dome of the Rock and ascended into Heaven where he met Moses, Jesus Christ, and Allah. They ain’t giving it up. Pretty sure that the Jews were there first and Palestine was never a thing until modern times. But Island in the south pacific sounds absolutely delightful. No jews within 2000 miles. Sounds like heaven to a Muslim, along with their 72 virgins: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tebok 442 Posted February 6 9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I want something new too, but that something new has to involve an Israel willing to pull its settlers out of areas that have been designated for the Palestinians, willing to commit to a Palestinian state on its borders, and willing to grant the Palestinian people simple dignity. Once that happens then I think you will see some movement on the Arab side, and great pressure from the Arab countries on the Palestinians to ditch the extremists like Hamas and enter into real negotiations for a two or three state solution. Not before. And as for this idea of relocating the Palestinian people from Gaza it is NEVER going to happen. It's against international law and a war crime, all in the name of creating Trumpland, where his billionaire buddies build casino resorts and frequently lose contractors and eventually tourists to terroristic attacks. This is such a great idea! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,201 Posted February 6 11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: I want something new too, but that something new has to involve an Israel willing to pull its settlers out of areas that have been designated for the Palestinians, willing to commit to a Palestinian state on its borders, and willing to grant the Palestinian people simple dignity. Once that happens then I think you will see some movement on the Arab side, and great pressure from the Arab countries on the Palestinians to ditch the extremists like Hamas and enter into real negotiations for a two or three state solution. Not before. And as for this idea of relocating the Palestinian people from Gaza it is NEVER going to happen. I disagree. If Palestinians were honest participants, then maybe. But no, if they prefer violence through terrorism, that option is off the table.....well, for now. If Palestidiots want to hunker down in that hell hole instead of accepting the Trump admins idea to temporarily relocate, fine, live with that decision....but no crying....no begging....no pretending you are sooooo put upon....when you had the chance to get out until it could be rebuilt. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,662 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Tebok said: It's against international law and a war crime, all in the name of creating Trumpland, where his billionaire buddies build casino resorts and frequently lose contractors and eventually tourists to terroristic attacks. This is such a great idea! It would make a great movie though. Sort of a Jurassic Park with Palestinian terrorists attacking instead of dinosaurs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,201 Posted February 6 9 minutes ago, thegeneral said: When they say go ahead. Want happens? Are we moving troops in? They know we aren’t. There will be super “amazing” deal made. There will be some new terrorist attack - tens of thousand of new ones have been created in past year - and then repeat the process. Planning continues, and this entire notion of troops is something media keeps trying to sell, even though the admin already refuted it....but I get it....this is how to rile people up. All good. I might approach it differently than Trump, but then again, he has more experience managing real estate than anyone else in government, or this forearm, so I might be well advised to defer to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,282 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, thegeneral said: Kick a million people out of their homes. Put up some pickleball courts and condos. Fixed. Call it a day! What homes? The place is rubble. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,662 Posted February 6 6 minutes ago, RLLD said: but then again, he has more experience managing real estate than You keep repeating this and I keep trying to tell you: he’s absolutely TERRIBLE at real estate. Only our bankruptcy laws, and mysterious loans at the last second, have saved his ass again and again. I’m no real estate mogul but I am in the industry. I’ve been to countless conventions and seminars, got the chance to meet or listen to the serious developers like Rick Caruso, Ernie Hahn back in the day, Richard Ellis, etc. Trump is a joke to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,043 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: What homes? The place is rubble. Which homes we talking about, though? The ones where they harbor Hamas terrorists or the ones where they don't? Oh, wait, never mind. They all harbor Hamas terrorists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,282 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Which homes we talking about, though? The ones where they harbor Hamas terrorists or the ones where they don't? Oh, wait, never mind. They all harbor Hamas terrorists. Great school system they got there. Still probably better than Baltimores though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tebok 442 Posted February 6 8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: It would make a great movie though. Sort of a Jurassic Park with Palestinian terrorists attacking instead of dinosaurs. Check out these beautiful Gaza beaches, almost as nice as a nasty Texas beach, only frequented by a bunch of pesky Palestinians instead of rednecks. https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/11/27/palestinians-in-gaza-go-to-the-beach Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,043 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Great school system they got there. Still probably better than Baltimores though. Palestinian Daily School Schedule: 8-9am: Hate Jews Class 9-10am: Hate Jews Class 10-11am: Hate Jews Class 11-12: Lunch 1-2pm: Hate Jews Class 2-3pm: Hate Jews Class Now just replace "Jews" with "Whitey" and you got Baltimore's School Schedule. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,291 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Palestinian Daily School Schedule: 8-9am: Hate Jews Class 9-10am: Hate Jews Class 10-11am: Hate Jews Class 11-12: Lunch 1-2pm: Hate Jews Class 2-3pm: Hate Jews Class Now just replace "Jews" with "Whitey" and you got Baltimore's School Schedule. Shouldn't there be a Death to the Infidels class and a Death to the Great Satan class, or are those clssses upper level courses taught at University along with Bomb Making, Attacking Peaceful Music Festivals, and Parading Rape Victims Through the Streets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,043 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said: Shouldn't there be a Death to the Infidels class and a Death to the Great Satan class, or are those clssses upper level courses taught at University along with Bomb Making, Attacking Peaceful Music Festivals, and Parading Rape Victims Through the Streets. Yes, I missed all of those. It's good to have hate diversity in our curriculum!!! Hate Diversity is our Strength!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,121 Posted February 6 2 hours ago, RLLD said: Planning continues, and this entire notion of troops is something media keeps trying to sell, even though the admin already refuted it....but I get it....this is how to rile people up. All good. I might approach it differently than Trump, but then again, he has more experience managing real estate than anyone else in government, or this forearm, so I might be well advised to defer to him. Wasn’t our people in there the threat you are depending on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Wasn’t our people in there the threat you are depending on? Why are you upset that we may take over Gaza. It's good for the United States, fuk them a-holes. They've done nothing but terrorize our Israeli friends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,121 Posted February 6 2 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Which homes we talking about, though? The ones where they harbor Hamas terrorists or the ones where they don't? Oh, wait, never mind. They all harbor Hamas terrorists. I’m sure terrorists will just leave and no forces will be needed to secure this new area that was taken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,121 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, League Champion said: Why are you upset that we may take over Gaza. It's good for the United States, fuk them a-holes. They've done nothing but terrorize our Israeli friends. I’m not upset. You constantly do this. These are normal questions anyone should be asking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, thegeneral said: I’m sure terrorists will just leave and no forces will be needed to secure this new area that was taken. That's the whole point. A base there puts us in striking distance of all of them. It's a brilliant strategic plan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, thegeneral said: I’m not upset. You constantly do this. These are normal questions anyone should be asking. They're not dumb enough to F with our Military. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,121 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, League Champion said: That's the whole point. A base there puts us in striking distance of all of them. It's a brilliant strategic plan Now you want a military base in Gaza? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 6 Just now, thegeneral said: Now you want a military base in Gaza? Of course, that's what this is all about. Why else would we want that shizzhole? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,291 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, League Champion said: That's the whole point. A base there puts us in striking distance of all of them. It's a brilliant strategic plan They have always been within our striking distance. This would put us, within their striking distance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,121 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, League Champion said: Of course, that's what this is all about. Why else would we want that shizzhole? Fock that. No interest with dropping us in the middle of that “Rivera” region. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
League Champion 1,909 Posted February 6 Just now, thegeneral said: Fock that. No interest with dropping us in the middle of that “Rivera” region. It'll be beautiful, the most beautifulist military base the World has ever seen, Nobody could ever dream of building the most beautifulist, biggest, awesomist Super Base on the MAGA Strip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,121 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, League Champion said: It'll be beautiful, the most beautifulist military base the World has ever seen, Nobody could ever dream of building the most beautifulist, biggest, awesomist Super Base on the MAGA Strip. Lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 2,291 Posted February 6 And just like that Trump's Greenland and Canada comments seem more or less normal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,043 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, thegeneral said: I’m sure terrorists will just leave and no forces will be needed to secure this new area that was taken. Well, if I were to believe that this would happen we could just wipe all those a$$holes out. Unfortunately, Hamas is one of those organizations that have forfeit the right to live. Hamas/Palestine have shown they aren't ready to enter modern civilization. They're still stuck in their 5th century BC mentality and they haven't changed one bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,662 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said: Well, if I were to believe that this would happen we could just wipe all those a$$holes out. Unfortunately, Hamas is one of those organizations that have forfeit the right to live. Hamas/Palestine have shown they aren't ready to enter modern civilization. They're still stuck in their 5th century BC mentality and they haven't changed one bit. Are you willing to entertain the possibility that not all Palestinians are Hamas? Or is your condemnation for the entire population? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
