I was wrong about the Deep State!

[Fnord 2,530]

10 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

slick Willie is ancient history with plenty of baggage. They would throw him overboard to get to Trump

Of course. But they may not feel the same if someone running a superPAC donating tens of millions yearly is implicated. Just a guess, though. Who the hell knows?

[BrahmaBulls 935]

21 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m glad you want it released. If Trump vetoes the discharge petition will you continue to support him? 

I will not vote for Trump again if he does that.

[TBayXXXVII 2,670]

33 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Just a guess, but they probably didn't want it in the news cycle since Bill Clinton has to be part of it, along with some other notable Dems and donors. All the more reason to toss it into the light and watch the cockroaches scurry.

G.T.F.O.H, Bill Clinton.    The Democrats' golden boy is Obama.  Once Hillary lost in 2015, the Clinton's lost their standing.  Obama winning in 2008 and 2012 shifted the party way further left than Clinton ever was.  Their base is, and has been, socialist since then.  They knew this when Hillary ran and they forced Bernie out, in the primaries.  They knew their base turned far left and feared they were losing the middle but tried to hold on to it.  Now that they've completly accepted the far left mindset (Pelosi's out, Schumer is out, Schiff is out, Jeffries is in, Booker is in, Crockett is in), there's no need to pretend any more.  There's no need to protect the older regimes.   The people who voted for Bill are either indoctrinated or dead.  Remember, Bill left office 25 years ago.  That's 100 years in political years.

As for the rest of your nonsense, the Democrats for over 10 years have been doing anything and everything they can to get Trump of Washington DC.  If they had the golden ticket just last July, especially with all the Biden health coverup going on, they would have thrown the Epstein list out there?  Why risk Trump winning?  Dude, Harris alone, in 3 months, spent 3x more than Trump did in 8.  So what if they lost some donors?  If they lost THAT many, then what moral high ground is there to bash Trump?  Also, if that were the case, then why are the rank and file, people like you, so angered against Trump and don't give two craps about the people you vote for... when they knew all along who was on that list and they kept it quiet?

Here's my take on Washington DC.  On any of the 365 days in the year, you will find 537 elected officials that are corrupt.  Any person who put any personal value on any one of those 537 people are foolish.  NO ONE should be voting for the candidate as a person, they'll only let you down, they should ONLY be voting on platform/policy.  I don't like Donald Trump as a person, he's an azzhat.  I've met him a few times when I was in my 20's (remember, he was a tried and true Democrat back then and the Clinton's (including Hillary), loved him).  The guy is a dbag.  If he did something wrong, fine.  What I put no credence in, is the how Democrats have no problem protecting their own and backing those who are doing it, while trying to single Trump out.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,333]

36 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Also, why wouldn't the Biden/Harris administration release it during the 2024 campaign?

Exactly. If it was so damping against Trump.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,333]

34 minutes ago, MDC said:

 
 

Trump was non committal about releasing the files last year. I can pull up a quote if you like. He just let his scumbag son walk around lobbing accusations and loaded his admin with people who wanted the files released.

Why did he do it? Because he knew hardline MAGAs are so dug in they’d carry water for him anyway. See your bolded quote above.

Why didn't Biden Harris move to release them if they were so detrimental to Trump?

[TBayXXXVII 2,670]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

Exactly. If it was so damping against Trump.

The only reason would be to cover up many prominent Democrats.  If that were the case, then there's no moral high ground to stand on, because they're just as guilty as Trump.

[SaintsInDome2006 663]

45 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Why would he make a big deal about releasing it if he was in the files on any significant way? Makes no sense.

This is a better question than the trite & oft-answered ‘why didn’t Biden release’. Short answer is maga, to their credit, wanted it. Long answer: At first Trump refused to address the questions about Epstein. But then he had pushed out the promise to release the Kennedy files. And he did indeed release them - to the very bottom, to the last scrap was released, UNREDACTED. Highly sensitive, top classified documentation about intelligence operations, surveillance, coup plotting, seeding of media, stuff that had absolutely nothing to do with Oswald or the assassination but include private names, locations, everything, was RELEASED.

- Naturally even right wing media asked why not do the same with the Epstein files? Eventually he agreed, because even his mush brain could see he was just being obvious in refusing to release in the same way, & indeed like this thread shows his followers truly wanted it. And the minions in his administration ran with it to please him & his base.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,333]

Obama, Clintons, Biden, the Bush's. All buddies. Bill was a part of the Espstein clientele. That is a guarantee. All of the others mentioned love Bill.

What is the commonality between them all? They hate Trump. Why would they hate Trump so much if he was just one of them partaking in what Epstein was offering?

[SaintsInDome2006 663]

5 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Obama, Clintons, Biden, the Bush's. All buddies. Bill was a part of the Espstein clientele. That is a guarantee. All of the others mentioned love Bill.

What is the commonality between them all? They hate Trump. Why would they hate Trump so much if he was just one of them partaking in what Epstein was offering?

I don’t think Patel & Bondi, Martin & Blanche, who are committed to overriding long held DOJ procedures, would flinch if for even a gossamer of a chance to link the likes of those names with Epstein.

[Fnord 2,530]

9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

G.T.F.O.H, Bill Clinton.    The Democrats' golden boy is Obama.  Once Hillary lost in 2015, the Clinton's lost their standing.  Obama winning in 2008 and 2012 shifted the party way further left than Clinton ever was.  Their base is, and has been, socialist since then.  They knew this when Hillary ran and they forced Bernie out, in the primaries.  They knew their base turned far left and feared they were losing the middle but tried to hold on to it.  Now that they've completly accepted the far left mindset (Pelosi's out, Schumer is out, Schiff is out, Jeffries is in, Booker is in, Crockett is in), there's no need to pretend any more.  There's no need to protect the older regimes.   The people who voted for Bill are either indoctrinated or dead.  Remember, Bill left office 25 years ago.  That's 100 years in political years.

As for the rest of your nonsense, the Democrats for over 10 years have been doing anything and everything they can to get Trump of Washington DC.  If they had the golden ticket just last July, especially with all the Biden health coverup going on, they would have thrown the Epstein list out there?  Why risk Trump winning?  Dude, Harris alone, in 3 months, spent 3x more than Trump did in 8.  So what if they lost some donors?  If they lost THAT many, then what moral high ground is there to bash Trump?  Also, if that were the case, then why are the rank and file, people like you, so angered against Trump and don't give two craps about the people you vote for... when they knew all along who was on that list and they kept it quiet?

Here's my take on Washington DC.  On any of the 365 days in the year, you will find 537 elected officials that are corrupt.  Any person who put any personal value on any one of those 537 people are foolish.  NO ONE should be voting for the candidate as a person, they'll only let you down, they should ONLY be voting on platform/policy.  I don't like Donald Trump as a person, he's an azzhat.  I've met him a few times when I was in my 20's (remember, he was a tried and true Democrat back then and the Clinton's (including Hillary), loved him).  The guy is a dbag.  If he did something wrong, fine.  What I put no credence in, is the how Democrats have no problem protecting their own and backing those who are doing it, while trying to single Trump out.

Well then why bother voting if every one of them is a crook? And why spend so many words to basically say Dems just wanna go after Trump. Well, duh. Thanks for the insight.

What you and pretty much every other conservative don't EVER seem to get is that this is not being done in a vacuum. This is not about "getting" one's opponent. This is about understanding, from the escalator ride on, that the guy presents a unique threat to this nation's stability and future. Sorry you haven't figured that out over the last decade.

You seem to be under the impression that I would care if some prominent Dems are implicated; I do not. I want everyone that was part of Epstein's trafficking rings outed and tried in court. That's pretty much the definition of "moral high ground." I'm standing firmly on it and the view is sweet. Meanwhile, MAGA has stripped naked, greased up, and is busy launching themselves off of that high ground, their bellies and dlcks in the dirt, gleefully plummeting down the mountain with eyes closed.

[Ron_Artest 2,249]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Just a guess, but they probably didn't want it in the news cycle since Bill Clinton has to be part of it, along with some other notable Dems and donors. All the more reason to toss it into the light and watch the cockroaches scurry.

They might also wanted to avoid the image of impropriety.  It's come out that Garland didn't want to prosecute Trump for this reason.

Look at the Maga reaction now, it's a hoax, it's fake.  Trump would have said the exact same thing before the election, and maga would have bought it and they would have rallied another example of Biden weaponizing the DOJ and the deep state trying to screw over trump.

[MDC 7,902]

30 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Why didn't Biden Harris move to release them if they were so detrimental to Trump?

Because the files are detrimental to politicians, donors, power brokers etc. on both sides of the aisle, including the Clintons. The difference with Trump is:

1. He himself is actually in the files and;

2. He let his son, DOJ, FBI etc. spend a year pretending the files were only detrimental to Dems and they were going to release them.

Trump did 2 because he knew guys like you and Johnny Bootlicker would come up with endless conspiracy theories to defend Daddy.

HTH

[Frozenbeernuts 2,333]

17 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Well then why bother voting if every one of them is a crook? And why spend so many words to basically say Dems just wanna go after Trump. Well, duh. Thanks for the insight.

What you and pretty much every other conservative don't EVER seem to get is that this is not being done in a vacuum. This is not about "getting" one's opponent. This is about understanding, from the escalator ride on, that the guy presents a unique threat to this nation's stability and future. Sorry you haven't figured that out over the last decade.

You seem to be under the impression that I would care if some prominent Dems are implicated; I do not. I want everyone that was part of Epstein's trafficking rings outed and tried in court. That's pretty much the definition of "moral high ground." I'm standing firmly on it and the view is sweet. Meanwhile, MAGA has stripped naked, greased up, and is busy launching themselves off of that high ground, their bellies and dlcks in the dirt, gleefully plummeting down the mountain with eyes closed.

What you don't understand is that Trump didn't invent chaos. This has been building for a long time.

The difference now is that more people are awake. Look at how many of us voted for Obama, maybe even Hillary, and then realized how they were absolute scum? They were doing horrible things long before Trump took office.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,333]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

Because the files are detrimental to politicians, donors, power brokers etc. on both sides of the aisle, including the Clintons. The difference with Trump is:

1. He himself is actually in the files and;

2. He let his son, DOJ, FBI etc. spend a year pretending the files were only detrimental to Dems and they were going to release them.

Trump did 2 because he knew guys like you and Johnny Bootlicker would come up with endless conspiracy theories to defend Daddy.

HTH

Trump never did anything illegal in relation to Epstein. When Michael Jackson was attacked once he started speaking out more against the way the entertainment industry worked, meaning exploitation of children, Trump was one of the few high profile people to stand up for him.

Why do you think Janet Jackson came to Trump's defense? Why would he risk his reputation to go against the grain on Michael? He isn't a pedo.

Think about it, many many documents have been destroyed. This is not debatable. Is it too far fetched to think they have been tampered with?

[Ron_Artest 2,249]

3 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Trump never did anything illegal in relation to Epstein.

That we know of today.

[avoiding injuries 1,652]

Lucy has the football, Charlie Brown. Don’t fall for it again!!

[BrahmaBulls 935]

Biden was clearly a pedo because he didn’t release the files. Thats the summary?

[MDC 7,902]

23 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Trump never did anything illegal in relation to Epstein. When Michael Jackson was attacked once he started speaking out more against the way the entertainment industry worked, meaning exploitation of children, Trump was one of the few high profile people to stand up for him.

Why do you think Janet Jackson came to Trump's defense? Why would he risk his reputation to go against the grain on Michael? He isn't a pedo.

Think about it, many many documents have been destroyed. This is not debatable. Is it too far fetched to think they have been tampered with?

See my questions to Johnny Bootlicker:

If the files were tampered with, why not just … bring that evidence of tampering forward?  

Trump and his admin have spent all year contradicting themselves and making unsupported claims (lying) about the files. Don obviously thinks his supporters are gullible enough to believe anything, and some Geeks keep proving him right.

[Ron_Artest 2,249]

29 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Biden was clearly a pedo because he didn’t release the files. Thats the summary?

I don't know that Biden ever stopped the files from being released.  If he did then shame on him.  See how easy that is?

[BrahmaBulls 935]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

I don't know that Biden ever stopped the files from being released.  If he did then shame on him.  See how easy that is?

I already said I would not vote for trump again if he's in the files. 

[avoiding injuries 1,652]

Oh no. The government is open. What do we move onto next?!?!

[TimHauck 3,315]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The only reason would be to cover up many prominent Democrats.  If that were the case, then there's no moral high ground to stand on, because they're just as guilty as Trump.

So you do think Trump might be guilty?

[TBayXXXVII 2,670]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Well then why bother voting if every one of them is a crook? And why spend so many words to basically say Dems just wanna go after Trump. Well, duh. Thanks for the insight.

What you and pretty much every other conservative don't EVER seem to get is that this is not being done in a vacuum. This is not about "getting" one's opponent. This is about understanding, from the escalator ride on, that the guy presents a unique threat to this nation's stability and future. Sorry you haven't figured that out over the last decade.

You seem to be under the impression that I would care if some prominent Dems are implicated; I do not. I want everyone that was part of Epstein's trafficking rings outed and tried in court. That's pretty much the definition of "moral high ground." I'm standing firmly on it and the view is sweet. Meanwhile, MAGA has stripped naked, greased up, and is busy launching themselves off of that high ground, their bellies and dlcks in the dirt, gleefully plummeting down the mountain with eyes closed.

Like I said, I vote for policies/platform, not people.  It's common sense really. 

The Democrats are purely going after Trump, because Trump.  Nothing else.  No other reason.  It's 100% political, 0% ethical/legal... it's why the party never released anything under the Biden/Harris regime.

Oh, I am 100% positive that if something came out like this about Newsom, you and everyone else in your party would be calling it a Republican attack piece, so spare me.

[TBayXXXVII 2,670]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

So you do think Trump might be guilty?

Guilty of being at Epstein's place?  Yeah.  Guilty of a crime?  Anything is possible, just like anything else.

[jonmx 2,470]

So it is coming out that a Capitol Police officer was the one who placed the J6 pipe bombs outside the DNC and RNC headquarters.   This same officer worked in the capitol that day and is in video shooting non-leathal projectiles into the face of protestors prior to the so-callef breech.  

Now assuming this is true, which it very much will be proven, and that these facts were intentionally covered up by our intelligence agencies (and phone records were confidently destroyed)....it is 100 percent clear that the entire J6 events were orchestrated and the pipe bombs were all part of the scheme to support the whole insurrection narrative.  This was obvious from day 1, but now it is crystal clear.  

[MDC 7,902]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

So it is coming out that a Capitol Police officer was the one who placed the J6 pipe bombs outside the DNC and RNC headquarters.   This same officer worked in the capitol that day and is in video shooting non-leathal projectiles into the face of protestors prior to the so-callef breech.  

Now assuming this is true, which it very much will be proven, and that these facts were intentionally covered up by our intelligence agencies (and phone records were confidently destroyed)....it is 100 percent clear that the entire J6 events were orchestrated and the pipe bombs were all part of the scheme to support the whole insurrection narrative.  This was obvious from day 1, but now it is crystal clear.  

You remind me of that guy from King of the Hill who’s always going on about conspiracy theories but doesn’t know his wife is banging the Indian. 

[SaintsInDome2006 663]

5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

So it is coming out that a Capitol Police officer was the one who placed the J6 pipe bombs outside the DNC and RNC headquarters.   This same officer worked in the capitol that day and is in video shooting non-leathal projectiles into the face of protestors prior to the so-callef breech.  

Now assuming this is true, which it very much will be proven, and that these facts were intentionally covered up by our intelligence agencies (and phone records were confidently destroyed)....it is 100 percent clear that the entire J6 events were orchestrated and the pipe bombs were all part of the scheme to support the whole insurrection narrative.  This was obvious from day 1, but now it is crystal clear.  

Bondi & Co. not indicting her shows she & Patel are now part of the Deep State.

[jonmx 2,470]

Just now, MDC said:

You remind me of that guy from King of the Hill who’s always going on about conspiracy theories but doesn’t know his wife is banging the Indian. 

Oh fuk you.  This is not a conspiracy theory.   It is a fuking fact you moron.  The whole pipe bomb story was part of the whole setup to spin the J6 narrative to manipulate the public.  

[MDC 7,902]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Oh fuk you.  This is not a conspiracy theory.   It is a fuking fact you moron.  The whole pipe bomb story was part of the whole setup to spin the J6 narrative to manipulate the public.  

Wrong thread. This one is about how excited you were for the Epstein facts to come out.  

[Fnord 2,530]

1 minute ago, jonmx said:

Oh fuk you.  This is not a conspiracy theory.   It is a fuking fact you moron.  The whole pipe bomb story was part of the whole setup to spin the J6 narrative to manipulate the public.  

Then how about a link?

[jonmx 2,470]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Bondi & Co. not indicting her shows she & Patel are now part of the Deep State.

Time will tell.   Right now it is way too early to know if they will expose the truth or not.    

[jonmx 2,470]

Just now, MDC said:

Wrong thread. This one is about how excited you were for the Epstein facts to come out.  

They will come out.  

[MDC 7,902]

Just now, jonmx said:

They will come out.  

Not if Don has anything to say about it.  

[Fnord 2,530]

36 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Like I said, I vote for policies/platform, not people.  It's common sense really. 

The Democrats are purely going after Trump, because Trump.  Nothing else.  No other reason.  It's 100% political, 0% ethical/legal... it's why the party never released anything under the Biden/Harris regime.

Oh, I am 100% positive that if something came out like this about Newsom, you and everyone else in your party would be calling it a Republican attack piece, so spare me.

Well, here's an excellent example of how you're already wrong about an event that has not occurred. I think Newsom is a POS, and will not vote for him unless the R is an amped-up MAGA retread. I didn't vote for Hillary or Obama, and am not a Democrat. Your partisanship is your own, don't project it onto me.

[Ron_Artest 2,249]

2 hours ago, avoiding injuries said:

Oh no. The government is open. What do we move onto next?!?!

Very strange why someone wouldn’t want that list revealed…

[TimHauck 3,315]

57 minutes ago, jonmx said:

So it is coming out that a Capitol Police officer was the one who placed the J6 pipe bombs outside the DNC and RNC headquarters.   This same officer worked in the capitol that day and is in video shooting non-leathal projectiles into the face of protestors prior to the so-callef breech.  

Now assuming this is true, which it very much will be proven, and that these facts were intentionally covered up by our intelligence agencies (and phone records were confidently destroyed)....it is 100 percent clear that the entire J6 events were orchestrated and the pipe bombs were all part of the scheme to support the whole insurrection narrative.  This was obvious from day 1, but now it is crystal clear.  

Even Glenn Beck, the owner of the outlet with this alleged “story,” is already backtracking on it.

[seafoam1 3,437]

On 2/11/2025 at 6:48 PM, TrailGuy said:

You're not getting the Epstein list

Oh, remember gutternuts before he became gheyartest? 

[seafoam1 3,437]

48 minutes ago, MDC said:

Not if Don has anything to say about it.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,670]

10 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Well, here's an excellent example of how you're already wrong about an event that has not occurred. I think Newsom is a POS, and will not vote for him unless the R is an amped-up MAGA retread. I didn't vote for Hillary or Obama, and am not a Democrat. Your partisanship is your own, don't project it onto me.

Fine, YOU, I'll grant that, but on this board, you are the massive minority.  I'm pretty confident that the Republican's are going to run with Vance.  I have NO DOUBT what-so-ever that by the time 2027 rolls around, the Democrat party will be calling him a racist, a fascist, what have you, and there'll be more of the same from the left.  He'll be a "MAGA retread", and the cycle from the left will continue.

[TBayXXXVII 2,670]

Just now, TimHauck said:

A goalpost move off a goalpost move, impressive.  I’m not sure what JD Vance has to do with silly hypotheticals about damaging info coming out against Newsom.

What are you even talking about?  You know what, never mind.  Your act is tired.