Trump and Russia- the optimism is fading

[jbycho 754]

4 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Low t beta cucks like softcore believe in appeasing our enemies.  Weak men like him will destroy America 

Careful, US authoritarians are coming for you libs. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

35 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Low t beta cucks like softcore believe in appeasing our enemies.  Weak men like him will destroy America 

When do we get around to ending the war in Korea? 

[The Real timschochet 6,638]

Nothing’s happened yet. Whatever deal Trump tries to make with Putin will have to be agreed to by Ukraine and the surrounding countries. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Nothing’s happened yet. Whatever deal Trump tries to make with Putin will have to be agreed to by Ukraine and the surrounding countries. 

Why the surrounding countries? Shouldn’t it just be Ukraine and Russia deciding? 

[The Real timschochet 6,638]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why the surrounding countries? Shouldn’t it just be Ukraine and Russia deciding? 

No, because Trump has already said he wants NATO troops, with the exception of the U.S., to guarantee the peace, and wants European money, with the exception of the U.S., to help rebuild Ukraine. So if he wants these things then Europe gets to have a say. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

No, because Trump has already said he wants NATO troops, with the exception of the U.S., to guarantee the peace, and wants European money, 

I’m asking who should ultimately decide. It should be the ones fighting. I know, nuts. 

[The Real timschochet 6,638]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m asking who should ultimately decide. It should be the ones fighting. I know, nuts. 

Well we’re involved as well. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Well we’re involved as well. 

I am aware. Again, final decision should rest with the combatants. Why would you push back against that? They are the ones fighting and dying.  

[The Real timschochet 6,638]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I am aware. Again, final decision should rest with the combatants. Why would you push back against that? They are the ones fighting and dying.  

I’m not opposed or pushing back against that. But we and Europe will have a say as well. 

[TrailGuy 554]

Trump said today that Ukraine started the war.

@The Real timschochet still optimistic?

[thegeneral 3,121]

I’m optimistic…that Ukraine is focked. TBH Zelensky deserves blame, there was a good chance Trump was going to win and it was clear his plan was to let Russia have what they want. Zelensky should have hedged his bet and cut a deal because now he has no leverage. 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,638]

1 hour ago, TrailGuy said:

Trump said today that Ukraine started the war.

@The Real timschochet still optimistic?

No. Hopeful though, but I’m always hopeful. Trump’s comments are disgraceful, but that’s who he is. 

[League Champion 1,909]

9 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

Trump said today that Ukraine started the war.

@The Real timschochet still optimistic?

After the meeting in Riyadh, Trump said he was "much more confident".

"They were very good," he said. "Russia wants to do something. They want to stop the savage barbarianism."

[TrailGuy 554]

39 minutes ago, League Champion said:

After the meeting in Riyadh, Trump said he was "much more confident".

"They were very good," he said. "Russia wants to do something. They want to stop the savage barbarianism."

They started the savage barbarianism.  If they want to stop then they should withdraw.  Pretty simple.

[TrailGuy 554]

Trump in an angry tirade said that he would have made a deal for Ukraine before Russia invaded that would have just given Russia part of their country to avoid being attacked.

Dementia. Retardation. Ego.  Ass hole. Russian asset. Puzzy.

All of the above?

[listen2me 23 1,850]

Not a peep out of Libs when Russia took Crimea under BO.  

Russia likes to go in and grab land when the US has a weak sissy Liberal in office.  

[jbycho 754]

Wow. Frailguy is losing his mind.

Trump is kicking ass!! 

[TrailGuy 554]

7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Not a peep out of Libs when Russia took Crimea under BO.  

Russia likes to go in and grab land when the US has a weak sissy Liberal in office.  

You can stop with the weak sissy liberal stuff now.  You got your strong many maga in office now, and he's appeasing the enemy, siding with Russia, condoning imperialism, ignoring war crimes and giving the finger to our allies.

Your big strong leader did that.  Own it.

[TrailGuy 554]

8 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Wow. Frailguy is losing his mind.

Trump is kicking ass!! 

Kicking ass is rolling over for Putin?

[jbycho 754]

Trump is killing it!! F*** yeah!?

[listen2me 23 1,850]

3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

You can stop with the weak sissy liberal stuff now.  You got your strong many maga in office now, and he's appeasing the enemy, siding with Russia, condoning imperialism, ignoring war crimes and giving the finger to our allies.

Your big strong leader did that.  Own it.

Russia invaded Ukraine the last 2 liberal presidential terms in the US.

Fact. Own it.  

[TrailGuy 554]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Russia invaded Ukraine the last 2 liberal presidential terms in the US.

Fact. Own it.  

I thought Obama should have done more in 2014.  I'm happy Biden funded the resistance and sanctioned Putin.

Are you happy with Trump siding with Putin?

[TrailGuy 554]

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[jbycho 754]

40 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

I thought Obama should have done more in 2014.  I'm happy Biden funded the resistance and sanctioned Putin.

Are you happy with Trump siding with Putin?

These meltdowns are awesome. 

Winning!!

[Mike Hunt 275]

11 hours ago, thegeneral said:

I’m optimistic…that Ukraine is focked. TBH Zelensky deserves blame, there was a good chance Trump was going to win and it was clear his plan was to let Russia have what they want. Zelensky should have hedged his bet and cut a deal because now he has no leverage. 

 

Reality is he had no leverage from the start.  Russia was going to grind and grind away until there was nothing left.  Other that a few areas Ukraine cities have been leveled and will take decades to rebuild.

When a stronger foe has zero concern about loss of their men it is a frightening situation.  Russia was never going to stop even if it ruined their own country in the process.

As Ukraine stated this war started in 2014 and Obama did nothing about it then. That emboldened Russia.

[RLLD 4,198]

7 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Reality is he had no leverage from the start.  Russia was going to grind and grind away until there was nothing left.  Other that a few areas Ukraine cities have been leveled and will take decades to rebuild.

When a stronger foe has zero concern about loss of their men it is a frightening situation.  Russia was never going to stop even if it ruined their own country in the process.

As Ukraine stated this war started in 2014 and Obama did nothing about it then. That emboldened Russia.

It was Biden being absolutely idiotic and suggesting Ukraine should be part of NATO. It was an unforced error. I doubt anyone in the WH actually had that on the menu, he was just in a dementia moment, and he got alot of people killed as a result. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

It was Biden being absolutely idiotic and suggesting Ukraine should be part of NATO. It was an unforced error. I doubt anyone in the WH actually had that on the menu, he was just in a dementia moment, and he got alot of people killed as a result. 

So it's Joe Biden's fault that Putin invaded Ukraine?

[RLLD 4,198]

28 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

So it's Joe Biden's fault that Putin invaded Ukraine?

I think Putin set in motion the design to invade the moment he heard Biden say Ukraine would be part of NATO, no question. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think Putin set in motion the design to invade the moment he heard Biden say Ukraine would be part of NATO, no question. 

So it's Biden's fault?

[League Champion 1,909]

5 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

They started the savage barbarianism.  If they want to stop then they should withdraw.  Pretty simple.

Ukraine is a Nazi run regime that has been terrorizing Russia forever 

[RLLD 4,198]

15 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

So it's Biden's fault?

I blame Biden, had he not made that unforced error.....well, had he not been President at all.....there likely would not have been this long war.

[TrailGuy 554]

5 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Ukraine is a Nazi run regime that has been terrorizing Russia forever 

You're not even stupid enough to believe this boyo.

[Fnord 2,189]

32 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think Putin set in motion the design to invade the moment he heard Biden say Ukraine would be part of NATO, no question. 

Didn't Biden say that well after Putin started amassing troops on the Ukraine border?

[Fnord 2,189]

5 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Ukraine is a Nazi run regime that has been terrorizing Russia forever 

Russian Bot

[The Psychic Observer 498]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I blame Biden, had he not made that unforced error.....well, had he not been President at all.....there likely would not have been this long war.

You're an American right?  You blame your own president for the fact that a war criminal invaded another country?

Does said war criminal get any blame or is it 100% on America?

[League Champion 1,909]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I blame Biden, had he not made that unforced error.....well, had he not been President at all.....there likely would not have been this long war.

Let's not forget that Biden announced that he would be OK with a "minor incursion" by Russia in to Ukraine.  He basically invited Putin in.

[League Champion 1,909]

Revisionists History. Do your homework on Ukraine 

[RLLD 4,198]

5 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Didn't Biden say that well after Putin started amassing troops on the Ukraine border?

Biden told Zalensky in February 2022 that Ukraine's bid to become part of NATO was in its own hands....implicitly asserting they could apply and would be accepted.

This he did, after Putin stated in December 2021 that he wanted legal guarantees that Ukraine would not join NATO.

Then later, after Biden realized what he had done, in July 2023 all the sudden stated Ukraine was not ready to join NATO.   I guess he thought he could undo what he did, he was wrong,

[RLLD 4,198]

7 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

You're an American right?  You blame your own president for the fact that a war criminal invaded another country?

Does said war criminal get any blame or is it 100% on America?

I am an American, and when the President focks up I have every right to call him out on it.