LIBERATION DAY: 90 day pause on all tariffs except China

[SaintsInDome2006 373]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why is it so much cheaper in Canada? Republicans? 

I'm really surprised you say this and I think you know. They have publicly funded health care.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Look HT I'm only going toi agree with you if you want to point out that the Dems are just as manipulated as the GOP when it comes to health care. 

That’s not the way you laid it out. “Republicans and many Dems” is hardly a both sides argument.  

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

"Driving us into the ground"  is NOT a reasonable analysis.  

I say it is. I have read economists I respect warn about a Great Depression or worse. I don’t think it’s irrational at all to consider this a real possibility if these tariffs stay in place. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'm really surprised you say this and I think you know. They have publicly funded health care.

What does that have to do with them purchasing the same drugs for less than we do that they don’t make? They import their drugs as well. 

[supermike80 1,794]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I say it is. I have read economists I respect warn about a Great Depression or worse. I don’t think it’s irrational at all to consider this a real possibility if these tariffs stay in place. 

I know you say it is.  i disagree with you

[The Psychic Observer 494]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why is it so much cheaper in Canada? Republicans? 

Government price controls, something republicans have historically been against.  Biden put in price controls for insulin for Medicaire/Medicaid and was looking at other drugs until Trump stopped it via EO.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Government price controls, something republicans have historically been against.  Biden put in price controls for insulin for Medicaire/Medicaid and was looking at other drugs until Trump stopped it via EO.

Lie. Please stay out of this. Thanks. Your brand of TdS is played out.  

[The Psychic Observer 494]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

I know you say it is.  i disagree with you

Trump agreed, which is why he did the 90 day pause.  Everyone told him he was going to cause a depression.

[SaintsInDome2006 373]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What does that have to do with them purchasing the same drugs for less than we do that they don’t make? They import their drugs as well. 

Federal and provincial law provides for subsidies - that means the government pays for the drugs. IIRC they also have government negotiated prices.

[supermike80 1,794]

1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Trump agreed, which is why he did the 90 day pause.  Everyone told him he was going to cause a depression.

LOL   So you are in the meetings huh?  Know what "everyone" said.   Love it

[The Psychic Observer 494]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Lie. Please stay out of this. Thanks. 

You won't hear it on FoxNews but it's true.

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I know you say it is.  i disagree with you

OK. You’ve obviously read my arguments. Why am I wrong? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Federal and provincial law provides for subsidies - that means the government pays for the drugs. IIRC they also have government negotiated prices.

Right.  Do you think the prohibition on advertising and their politicians being more difficult to purchase may play a role? 

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22 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm tired of it all.  

Since November, yeah.

[supermike80 1,794]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

OK. You’ve obviously read my arguments. Why am I wrong? 

I think if you believe this will stall the economy that's fine.   I do not believe it will drive us into the ground.   There's a difference.

[The Psychic Observer 494]

5 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

LOL   So you are in the meetings huh?  Know what "everyone" said.   Love it

I don't need to be in the meeting.  We have his own words and the words of others involved.

President Trump said that he decided to pause the bulk of his reciprocal tariff program because of growing concern about the economy. “They were getting yippy,” Trump said when asked why he enacted a temporary rollback. “They were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit afraid.”

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-09-25/card/trump-says-he-did-tariff-pause-because-yippee-reaction-4Y6So9Q4WhgS0vWY8li1

He privately acknowledged that his trade policy could trigger a recession but said he wanted to be sure it didn’t cause a depression, according to people familiar with the conversations. 

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/why-trump-blinked-on-tariffs-b588aea8

[SaintsInDome2006 373]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Right.  Do you think the prohibition on advertising and their politicians being more difficult to purchase may play a role? 

I don’t know, but maybe. I’m personally against pharmaceutical advertising & for campaign finance reform.

[supermike80 1,794]

8 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

I don't need to be in the meeting.  We have his own words and the words of others involved.

President Trump said that he decided to pause the bulk of his reciprocal tariff program because of growing concern about the economy. “They were getting yippy,” Trump said when asked why he enacted a temporary rollback. “They were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit afraid.”

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-trump-tariffs-trade-war-04-09-25/card/trump-says-he-did-tariff-pause-because-yippee-reaction-4Y6So9Q4WhgS0vWY8li1

He privately acknowledged that his trade policy could trigger a recession but said he wanted to be sure it didn’t cause a depression, according to people familiar with the conversations. 

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/why-trump-blinked-on-tariffs-b588aea8

He "privately" acknowledged.....and the WSJ published it? 

Jesus you guys are dumb

[The Psychic Observer 494]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

He "privately" acknowledged.....and the WSJ published it? 

Jesus you guys are dumb

You think the Wall Street Journal lied?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,903]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I don’t know, but maybe. I’m personally against pharmaceutical advertising & for campaign finance reform.

Ok. It’s a huge issue. But you framing it as more of a Republican Party is laughable. I find it amusing that the left acts as if they never held power. We got Obamacare, which made the insurance companies wealthier than ever, and our drug situation is worse.   Trump! 

[supermike80 1,794]

28 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

You think the Wall Street Journal lied?

I don't know.   There are lots of "anonymous" sources out there, and many many of them lie.   Or embellish.  Or mishear..Or make up stuff

 

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6 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I don't know.   There are lots of "anonymous" sources out there, and many many of them lie.   Or embellish.  Or mishear..Or make up stuff

 

Agreed.  But Donald Trump is a proven liar on tape Infinity times over. So I guess Trust No One is the best perspective.  Hard way to go about life though.

[supermike80 1,794]

Just now, purdygood said:

Agreed.  But Donald Trump is a proven liar on tape Infinity times over. So I guess Trust No One is the best perspective.  Hard way to go about life though.

Well the problem with that statement is that you leave out that LOTS of people lie.  Remember what we were told about Biden?  How he was fine?  Lying is a political thing that everyone does.  And with the political spectrum being so horribly biased, you can't believe anything anymore.

[SaintsInDome2006 373]

32 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ok. It’s a huge issue. But you framing it as more of a Republican Party is laughable. I find it amusing that the left acts as if they never held power. We got Obamacare, which made the insurance companies wealthier than ever, and our drug situation is worse.   Trump! 

I wasn't being partisan. I was against the ACA (Obamacare). But it's not exactly a controversial statement to say the GOP is far more against state intervention, subsidies, regulation, call it what you will than Dems. Almost the whole GOP is against that. I was acknowledging that yes there are some Dems against it too. - And the whole point about the ACA is true here too. The costs do not go away, they get shifted, and state interference might even drive the costs up not down. Here Trump is the one sticking his hammy fists into the market and ok if you want to say it's necessary for self-defense or manufacturing jobs or other laudable reasons I might even agree with you but don't forget just like Obama there are still costs, someone's gonna pay.

[supermike80 1,794]

2 minutes ago, purdygood said:

Agreed.  But Donald Trump is a proven liar on tape Infinity times over. So I guess Trust No One is the best perspective.  Hard way to go about life though.

And this point, if I see something from an "anonymous source" regardless of which side it's from, I don't believe it on the surface.

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1 hour ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Government price controls, something republicans have historically been against.  Biden put in price controls for insulin for Medicaire/Medicaid and was looking at other drugs until Trump stopped it via EO.

Guess this EO didn't make the MSDNC talking points for you.  I'm shocked.

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LOWERING PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICES: Today, President Donald J. Trump signed an Executive Order to expand on the historic efforts of his first term to lower prescription drug prices.

• The Order directs the Department of Health and Human Services to take steps to significantly reduce drug prices for American patients.
• It delivers lower drug prices for Medicare and the seniors who rely on it by:
  • Improving the Medicare Drug Pricing Negotiation Program in order to eclipse the 22% in savings achieved in the program’s first year.
  • Aligning Medicare payment for certain prescription drugs with the cost by which hospitals actually acquire them, which can be 35% lower than what the government currently pays.
  • Standardizing Medicare payments for prescription drugs, such as cancer treatments, regardless of where the patient receives care, which can lower prices by as much as 60%.
• It provides massive discounts to low-income patients for life-saving medications.
  • Insulin prices for low-income patients and the uninsured will be lowered to as low as $0.03, plus a small administrative fee.
  • Injectable epinephrine for low-income patients and the uninsured will be as low as $15, plus a small administrative fee.
• The Order helps states reduce drug prices by:
  • Facilitating importation programs that could save states millions in prescription drug costs.
  • Building off programs to help states get much better deals on expensive sickle-cell medications in Medicaid than the statutorily required 23.1% discount.

BRINGING RADICAL TRANSPARENCY AND COMPETITION TO PRESCRIPTION DRUG MARKETS: President Trump is dedicated to creating a transparent, competitive, and fair prescription drug market for American consumers.

• President Trump has already taken numerous actions to end the practice of large corporations profiting by keeping health care prices and business practices hidden from Americans.

• The Order increases the availability of generics and biosimilars, which can be as much as 80% cheaper than brand alternatives.
• The Order builds off that critical work and reevaluates the role of middlemen by:
  • Improving disclosure of fees that pharmaceutical benefit managers (PBMs) pay to brokers for steering employers to utilize their services.
  • Directing the administration to develop reforms to promote a more competitive, transparent, efficient, and resilient prescription drug value chain.
• By addressing the influence of middlemen and promoting open competition, President Trump’s actions aim to create a fairer prescription drug market that lowers costs and ensures accountability across the health care system.

PUTTING AMERICAN PATIENTS FIRST ONCE AGAIN: President Trump is delivering on his promise to once again put American patients first by building off of the historic efforts of his first term to lower prescription drug prices.

• In his first term, President Trump took numerous actions that delivered real results for patients:
  • The Food and Drug Administration sped up development of lower-cost generic medicines and biosimilars as well as created a pathway for states to import lower cost drugs from Canada.
  • Government-mandated discounts were passed through to patients instead of being retained by middlemen.
  • Price transparency rules were developed to allow patients, doctors, and employers to see the actual cost of prescription drugs.
  • Insulin copays were capped for Medicare beneficiaries.
• Unsurprisingly, the Biden-Harris Administration let many of these priorities languish while failing to even achieve the savings projected from the new Medicare Prescription Drug Negotiation Program.
• President Trump will not stand for inaction, and his Administration is working rapidly to lower the cost of prescription drugs for Americans.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-announces-actions-to-lower-prescription-drug-prices/

[SaintsInDome2006 373]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Improving the Medicare Drug Pricing Negotiation Program in order to eclipse the 22% in savings achieved in the program’s first year.

IIRC this was part of the Biden Inflation Reduction Act. I had no idea it was this successful.

[The Psychic Observer 494]

Trump says they're talking with China, China says they aren't.

Amazon is raising prices.

It's happening.

[Mike Honcho 5,080]

52 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Trump says they're talking with China, China says they aren't.

Amazon is raising prices.

It's happening.

I wonder if he'll exempt MAGA hats. 

[SaintsInDome2006 373]

1 hour ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Trump says they're talking with China, China says they aren't.

Amazon is raising prices.

It's happening.

If Biden was having imaginary conversations maga would be spinning.

[Tebok 281]

Everything is going so swell.

[squistion 1,940]

 

[supermike80 1,794]

2 hours ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Trump says they're talking with China, China says they aren't.

Amazon is raising prices.

It's happening.

OMG  what ever will you do???  You Ok?   Need a hug?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

Guys big graph going down a bit. Small graphs going up. This is so confusing 🫤 

[Strike 5,181]

Multiple reports that China is quietly exempting some U.S. goods from tariffs.  Hmmm..........

[jbycho 577]

This is fun. Winning!!

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

Multiple reports that China is quietly exempting some U.S. goods from tariffs.  Hmmm..........

Great. They don’t want to punish their consumers. Works for me. 

When are you going to acknowledge that this whole thing has been a disaster, and that to this point the only reason that the stock market has be completely crashed is that they still believe that ultimately Trump will back down? 

[The Real timschochet 6,388]

1 hour ago, jbycho said:

This is fun. Winning!!

Sarcasm? It can’t be anything else, unless you’re a complete moron (I suppose I shouldn’t discount that possibility…) 

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

Our Cities are burning  

[jbycho 577]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sarcasm? It can’t be anything else, unless you’re a complete moron (I suppose I shouldn’t discount that possibility…) 

Keep fear mongering old man. It doesn't mean anything. 

This is awesome. Winning.