LIBERATION DAY: US economy now in reverse

[SaintsInDome2006 392]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

46 second video gets the effeminate cucks all worked up. Remember when they thought Zelensky did something? lol. 

How do you explain that Trump has no idea who America trades the most with?

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Let’s say this is true that liberals are for this - I’m not agreeing but FTSOA - what’s wrong with this? It’s capitalism. Companies profit & hire more people, consumers get cheap goods & save more for the family or the future. More trade happens, more people get hired, revenues increase, stocks increase, the government makes more from taxes, people get stuff. I just see wins here.

I listed conflicting things. You pick one of them and choose to disect. 

You cant claim that jeff bezos is a thieving oligarch that is in bed with trump and doesnt pay living wages and pays no taxes and has too much stock and oh noes buybacks, buybacks, then also be upset that he may lose his source for cheap stuff and advocate on behalf of trickle down philosophy. 

 

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

How do you explain that Trump has no idea who America trades the most with?

Trade is a two way street. We import more from Canada than they import from us. So they are the ones that need to stop focking around or they can keep their dirty oil.  

[SaintsInDome2006 392]

7 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

I listed conflicting things. You pick one of them and choose to disect. 

You cant claim that jeff bezos is a thieving oligarch that is in bed with trump and doesnt pay living wages and pays no taxes and has too much stock and oh noes buybacks, buybacks, then also be upset that he may lose his source for cheap stuff and advocate on behalf of trickle down philosophy. 

 

I can’t speak for liberals but my guess is they’d say he owns too many corporations. And I agree the WaPo should not be influenced by what Amazon needs. 

But as for Amazon, I’m not a customer but a good chunk of maga is. I don’t get why adding taxes on them is good for them, other consumers, Amazon, retail or anyone.

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34 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It’s a little odd that the president doesn’t realize who the nation’s biggest trade partner is & actually instead thinks they’re insignificant. 

It's very odd you believe that. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,955]

Trade talks with China set to begin  next week in Switzerland.  

[SaintsInDome2006 392]

Just now, jbycho said:

It's very odd you believe that. 

I’m all ears. He said trade with Canada is Insignificant, that doesn’t sound like someone who knows they’re our biggest trading partner.

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7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m all ears. He said trade with Canada is Insignificant, that doesn’t sound like someone who knows they’re our biggest trading partner.

So now you believe everything Trump says is truth. That he doesn't lie about things for his own reasons. 

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26 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I can’t speak for liberals but my guess is they’d say he owns too many corporations. And I agree the WaPo should not be influenced by what Amazon needs. 

But as for Amazon, I’m not a customer but a good chunk of maga is. I don’t get why adding taxes on them is good for them, other consumers, Amazon, retail or anyone.

You arent understanding me. 

You cant argue that bezos doesnt pay enough taxes and then argue against somebody taxing him.

Either taxes raise prices or they dont. 

 

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I'm doing fine. 

[thegeneral 2,920]

Not Trump getting punked by Putin in Helsinki where Putin made him his lap dog, but not a good look for sloppy Donald today. The Canuck made him look and sound like an old kook.

[Ron_Artest 1,078]

90 deals in 90 days!  Everyone is kissing my ass!  We're talking to the Chinese!  We have over 200 deals now!

Art of the deal 

We don't need to make deals!  There will be no deals!

[Ron_Artest 1,078]

Ford CEO has said that they expect tariffs to be in place for the next 3 years and they are making decisions based on that.

[Ron_Artest 1,078]

The first of the fully taxed ships arrive in LA and they are only half full.  Empty shelves incoming.

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31 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The first of the fully taxed ships arrive in LA and they are only half full.  Empty shelves incoming.

[SaintsInDome2006 392]

10 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

You arent understanding me. 

You cant argue that bezos doesnt pay enough taxes and then argue against somebody taxing him.

Either taxes raise prices or they dont. 

 

This is easy to answer and it’s not a question of being liberal or conservative, it’s a fact of economics. Bezos doesn’t pay the tax, he passes it on to the consumer. The Amazon buyer pays the tax, not Bezos.

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1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is easy to answer and it’s not a question of being liberal or conservative, it’s a fact of economics. Bezos doesn’t pay the tax, he passes it on to the consumer. The Amazon buyer pays the tax, not Bezos.

Very false. Neither pay the taxes. 

[SaintsInDome2006 392]

11 hours ago, jbycho said:

So now you believe everything Trump says is truth. That he doesn't lie about things for his own reasons. 

I’m fine with your arguing that Trump is lying. Sure, I’ll buy that. It doesn’t change the humiliation of his being laid out like that. And why he lied, no idea.

[SaintsInDome2006 392]

2 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Very false. Neither pay the taxes. 

This reminds me of the liberals claiming Obamacare would lower health care costs, they’d just go away.

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12 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Live murder caught on TV.

It was nice of Carney to gently correct that confused old woman.

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Ford CEO has said that they expect tariffs to be in place for the next 3 years and they are making decisions based on that.

Decisions such as?

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16 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m fine with your arguing that Trump is lying. Sure, I’ll buy that. It doesn’t change the humiliation of his being laid out like that. And why he lied, no idea.

You can't have both ways is my point. All you libs do is say he's lying except for when it's convenient for you to say he's telling the truth and he's crazy for saying something.

This shows all liberals do is create thoughtless false narratives simply to fear monger. This is a fact. 

[SaintsInDome2006 392]

1 minute ago, jbycho said:

You can't have both ways is my point. All you libs do is say he's lying except for when it's convenient for you to say he's telling the truth and he's crazy for saying something.

This shows all liberals do is create thoughtless false narratives simply to fear monger. This is a fact. 

I’m trying to agree with you, you have a point he’s a profligate, constant liar. I’d agree also surely he was briefed. But again why he lies I have no idea.

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8 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Decisions such as?

They extended employee pricing on cars but said that will change by the end of the summer. They are also basically saying expect prices for certain vehicles to get higher.

Most estimates are that it would take- conservatively- 2 years to get a new plant up and running or to reopen a shuttered plant. By that time we are talking almost summer of 2027 when we are into the early stages of campaign season for the 2028 presidential election and perhaps the landscape of politics is different after the 2026 mid terms. Why would any company be rushing to sink billions of dollars into a facility if they think things could change in the future? Instead they can just say "Oh well we have 3,000 in tariff charges- we will just raise the price of the vehicle 5,000 dollars."

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13 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m trying to agree with you, you have a point he’s a profligate, constant liar. I’d agree also surely he was briefed. But again why he lies I have no idea.

Ok, so this time he's lying and that's your false narrative this time. Now when you tell us he's telling the truth and he's crazy for saying whatever, then I'm sure you'll be right at that point as well.  

You liberals are so see through and you don't even know it. 

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1 minute ago, jbycho said:

Ok, so this time he's lying and that's your false narrative this time. Now when you tell us he's telling the truth and he's crazy for saying whatever, then I'm sure you'll be right at that point as well.  

You liberals are so see through and you don't even know it. 

Why do you think he lied? This is like a bar argument over the greatest QB of all time & someone pipes in about the great Steelers QB Roger Staubach.

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55 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is easy to answer and it’s not a question of being liberal or conservative, it’s a fact of economics. Bezos doesn’t pay the tax, he passes it on to the consumer. The Amazon buyer pays the tax, not Bezos.

Lol

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So the good news this morning is that Bessant is flying to Switzerland to meet with Chinese officials. Now China has said that there will be no serious negotiation until America unilaterally lowers our new tariffs: in other words, surrender. 

Bessent this morning: “I would caution against any deals emerging from these talks right away; first we need to de-escalate” 

“De-escalate” sure sounds like Trump is willing to unilaterally lower the tariffs, exactly what China is demanding. Which makes one wonder what was the point of this entire, incredibly stupid exercise? Nonetheless let’s hope it happens. 

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Just now, jonnyutah said:

Lol

Why do you find this funny? What he wrote is economics 101

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58 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Decisions such as?

You need me to explain to you the decisions that CEOs make?

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Why do you find this funny? What he wrote is economics 101

I think Johnny Utah is trying to make the case that when you raise corp taxes then corp will just pass that tax onto the consumer, the same way with tariffs.

Its an interesting and often complex discussion.

[jonnyutah 250]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Why do you find this funny? What he wrote is economics 101

When I said either taxes raise prices or they dont, I was pointing out that liberals are hypocrites on this matter. 

His reply was as if I had asked him if taxes raised prices. 

SID is generally pretty polite and I dont think he does it out of arrogance, so i just decided to end it by laughing it off. 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I think Johnny Utah is trying to make the case that when you raise corp taxes then corp will just pass that tax onto the consumer, the same way with tariffs.

Its an interesting and often complex discussion.

Yes. Democrats are always naming and shaming companies and CEOs and wanting to bump up taxes. 

Incidence of taxation will never be an absolute direct path, but generally speaking taxes raise prices. 

 

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9 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Yes. Democrats are always naming and shaming companies and CEOs and wanting to bump up taxes. 

Incidence of taxation will never be an absolute direct path, but generally speaking taxes raise prices. 

 

It's obvious we have a wealth gap.  It's also clear that Corp tax cuts do not result in cheaper consumer prices.  Trickle down economics doesn't work.  There is no magic pill.

[jonnyutah 250]

23 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's obvious we have a wealth gap.  It's also clear that Corp tax cuts do not result in cheaper consumer prices.  Trickle down economics doesn't work.  There is no magic pill.

Wealth gap is a nonsense term.

But you are right that tax cuts dont result in price cuts. But tax increases do result in cost increases. "Sticky pricing" is a real problem. 

Every year I have this debate inside my company regarding seasonal commodities. Product managers all about passing on increases. Get greedy when the decreases happen. 

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14 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The EU & China announce increased cooperation.

Really this took a lot of effort on Donald’s part.

He is uniting the world!  

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1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

When I said either taxes raise prices or they dont, I was pointing out that liberals are hypocrites on this matter. 

His reply was as if I had asked him if taxes raised prices. 

SID is generally pretty polite and I dont think he does it out of arrogance, so i just decided to end it by laughing it off. 

 

 

Ah. Gotcha. Of course taxes raise prices. Of course any liberal who denies that is a hypocrite. All tariffs are are sakes taxes on foreign goods (effectively) 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

4 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

They extended employee pricing on cars but said that will change by the end of the summer. They are also basically saying expect prices for certain vehicles to get higher.

Most estimates are that it would take- conservatively- 2 years to get a new plant up and running or to reopen a shuttered plant. By that time we are talking almost summer of 2027 when we are into the early stages of campaign season for the 2028 presidential election and perhaps the landscape of politics is different after the 2026 mid terms. Why would any company be rushing to sink billions of dollars into a facility if they think things could change in the future? Instead they can just say "Oh well we have 3,000 in tariff charges- we will just raise the price of the vehicle 5,000 dollars."

Reminds me of fossil fuels.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

You need me to explain to you the decisions that CEOs make?

Love to hear them.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,955]

Liberals rooting for China. Our number one threat. The one that sends spies here and spits in our face by flying a spy balloon across the country. Employs slave labor. Biggest polluter on earth. Abuses Africans. Trump wrecked you people.