LIBERATION DAY: USA and China agree to a 90 day pause on most new tariffs

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Liberals are scared of change. They don’t want working people prospering.  

[Horseman 2,458]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let’s talk in 6 months, @Horseman. Nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about this. 

 

11 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Why the delay, markets are --->FORWARD LOOKING<---?

Never mind, I know, another one of your games where you're never wrong even though it never happens. You just wait!

 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Maybe. It’s created the greatest prosperity in the history of human civilization for the past 80 years. 
But we’re in it now so I hope you’re right. 

Over those 80 years we've become more and more reliant on other countries and added trillions to our debt.  That's not a great recipe. 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 

 

Well if that’s the case we’re already in trouble: 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/04/02/stock-market-today-live-updates-trump-tariffs.html

[Horseman 2,458]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well if that’s the case we’re already in trouble: 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/04/02/stock-market-today-live-updates-trump-tariffs.html

2% AH is your definition of an economic catastrophe?

You're a waste of oxygen.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

This is a wonderful buy now opportunity. You Liberals can cry in your Mocha Choca Latte or get in on futures and make yourself some money. 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

2% AH is your definition of an economic catastrophe?

You're a waiste of oxygen.  

Read the article. That’s just for starters. 
 

Again let’s talk in 6 months- IF Trump doesn’t back off. My hope remains that he will. 

[Grace Under Pressure 114]

Good job supporting an idiot who could have done nothing and taken credit for a great economy he inherited. Instead he implements tariffs because he can. All about him and the Mar-A-Lago crowd, not about you.

The debt is the argument? Geez no wonder he "loves the poorly educated" so much. Get a clue. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Read the article. That’s just for starters. 
 

Again let’s talk in 6 months- IF Trump doesn’t back off. My hope remains that he will. 

Still don't get it? We can outlast these other Countries, Trump knows that, you don't. 

So he'll eventually get the deal he wants even if that means giving a little to get a lot. 

How do you not understand him yet? 

[jbycho 754]

3 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Good job supporting an idiot who could have done nothing and taken credit for a great economy he inherited. Instead he implements tariffs because he can. All about him and the Mar-A-Lago crowd, not about you.

The debt is the argument? Geez no wonder he "loves the poorly educated" so much. Get a clue. 

Ok Rusty. We know you are as dumb as Tim guy. No one is arguing it. 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Still don't get it? We can outlast these other Countries, Trump knows that, you don't. 

So he'll eventually get the deal he wants even if that means giving a little to get a lot. 

How do you not understand him yet? 

It’s you who doesn’t understand him. He’s not looking to get a deal. THIS is the deal. 

To Trump, tariffs are not a means to an end. They are the end. 

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s you who doesn’t understand him. He’s not looking to get a deal. THIS is the deal. 

To Trump, tariffs are not a means to an end. They are the end. 

Holy crap, you are really stupid.

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

They are the end

Calm your tittays down. This will bring a lot of that manufacturing back to America, it already has. That's the point behind all of this. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s you who doesn’t understand him. He’s not looking to get a deal. THIS is the deal. 

To Trump, tariffs are not a means to an end. They are the end. 

Relax.

[jbycho 754]

11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Relax.

He will not. 

If I lived in as much fear as Tim guy does, I would not be on this site sky screaming. I would be out there working hard to combat my fears. 

[Mark Davis 398]

36 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Maybe it needs to be.  It's been pretty questionable for years and our debt is outrageous. 

That's the part I struggle to get people to understand.  Yes it will take some prices higher because it will cost more to make things here or it will cost more for things that can't be ramped up here in the short term or just that cannot be made more cheaply here than the alternative offshore with the tariff.  But it does promote domestic production and the tax income from that, as well as all the tariff revenue. 

It's a use tax.  Those extra dollars in cost aren't just going poof, they are going into the government coffers that will reduce the deficit/debt.  Short term it definitely can be inflationary, but longer term we are much better off to have a more level playing field.  We've let trade get way out of hand and that is a large part of why we have the debt that we do.  All these political arguments are just that, they are debates on whether Trump can sustain the will to implement these over what short term reactions to prices might be.  Longer term we have to fix the issue and nobody can tell me how else that happens.

[Strike 5,542]

51 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Hopefully never but if I had to guess about 3-4 months. It will start for housing and auto industry almost immediately. 

Why would you do anything different than any other post of yours?

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

Read this Kids and check out the chart 

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-reciprocal-tariff-chart-2054514

[Strike 5,542]

I like the way this guy thinks:

https://fee.org/articles/tariffs-are-awful-but-the-income-tax-may-be-worse/

[MDC 7,425]

46 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

That's the part I struggle to get people to understand.  Yes it will take some prices higher because it will cost more to make things here or it will cost more for things that can't be ramped up here in the short term or just that cannot be made more cheaply here than the alternative offshore with the tariff.  But it does promote domestic production and the tax income from that, as well as all the tariff revenue. 

The problem is Trump campaigned in large part on lowering costs and it assumes every future POTUS maintains his tariff policy. By the time a lot of that manufacturing comes online he won’t be in office. 

 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

By the time a lot of that manufacturing comes online he won’t be in office. 

Vance will though 

[Strike 5,542]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

The problem is Trump campaigned in large part on lowering costs and it assumes every future POTUS maintains his tariff policy. By the time a lot of that manufacturing comes online he won’t be in office. 

 

 

He might be........

[HotRod 70]

5 hours ago, Horseman said:

Doomsday comes and the markets are green.  Liberals are idiots. 

Futures down huge

[MDC 7,425]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

He might be........

And then the next POTUS toes the tariffs off, and whatever businesses brought manufacturing back home ships it overseas again?

My guess is this trade war ends before the midterms. People who voted for lower costs aren’t going to be thrilled with higher costs imo.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

The UAW is happy. 

[MDC 7,425]

How soon they forget …

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Can we at least admit there is a huge risk in this?

Yes it may work out ultimately. Companies may spend truckloads of money to put places here and implement change and bring back American manufacturing. Yes companies may swallow tariffs and not pass them on and we keep the status quo. Yes prices may rise because of tariffs and companies just say "Well the slight decline in profit margin isn't worth building all the new places here." Yes this may upend the system and cause a recession. Yes it may upend the system and be something we need ultimately.

But a reasonable person should be able to recognize there is a huge risk in this 

[jbycho 754]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Can we at least admit there is a huge risk in this?

Yes it may work out ultimately. Companies may spend truckloads of money to put places here and implement change and bring back American manufacturing. Yes companies may swallow tariffs and not pass them on and we keep the status quo. Yes prices may rise because of tariffs and companies just say "Well the slight decline in profit margin isn't worth building all the new places here." Yes this may upend the system and cause a recession. Yes it may upend the system and be something we need ultimately.

But a reasonable person should be able to recognize there is a huge risk in this 

Dumb. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

The democrats show once again they are the party of Wall Street and corporations. They abandon the working man and offer him nothing but a handout.  

[MDC 7,425]

The Trump admin is such a friend to the working man they laid off 60,000 of them and cut collective bargaining for a million. 

At least the Gulf of Mexico got a new name.  

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

On 3/27/2025 at 3:48 PM, Strike said:

Nameless CNN economist.  That's like the MSM and their "anonymous sources."  I shall give it the appropriate amount of attention it deserves.  *YAWN*

In other news, more MS-13 gang members arrested.   WOO HOO!!!!! 

Maybe we can combine the two problems.  We can provide a trariff credit for every illegal other countries will voluntarily take in.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

The Trump admin is such a friend to the working man they laid off 60,000 of them and cut collective bargaining for a million. 

At least the Gulf of Mexico got a new name.  

What party is the one helping people by cutting off food deliveries to food banks and everything? I'm sure a lot of Wall Street tycoons are heading to the local pantry for containers of off-brand peanut butter and oddly shaped pears. 

[Grace Under Pressure 114]

24 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Dumb. 

Don’t be so hard on yourself. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Dow futures look bleak right now.  

 

I was surprized that reciprocal tariffs did not mean equal and opposite or equivilent.

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Don’t be so hard on yourself. 

Ok Rusty. You go girl. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

The working man doesn’t need a food bank. Illegals leeching off of this country do though. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Michigan will be firmly red. 

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

6 hours ago, Horseman said:

Doomsday comes and the markets are green.  Liberals are idiots. 

This idiot posted this or something like this about 4 or 5 times today. Wonder if he has the guts to post tomorrow? Doubt it. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

What is happening here is the billionaire ruling class is leveling the largest tax increase on the working class in history.  They are doing this so they can cut their income tax.  

Smart people see whats going on. Working class trump voters don't see it.

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

52 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

 

 

I was suprized that reciprocal tariffs did not mean equal and opposite or equivilent.

This is an extremely important point.if you here anyone argue that we’re just doing to others what they’ve already done to us, they’re either ignorant of the facts or deliberately lying.