LIBERATION DAY: USA and China agree to a 90 day pause on most new tariffs

[supermike80 1,851]

8 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Trucking is down though, a lot. You're saying truckers will be fine. It doesn't look like it. 

Soooo.  I work in the industry. Have for 35 years.  Work with multiple entities to hire truck drivers every single day.  Do wage studies,  deal with lots of driver turnover for better wages, or better conditions.   Hire lots of drivers looking for better wages and better conditions.  And youre going to tell me you know more about it than i do because you read something. 

Ok.  You win then 

[SaintsInDome2006 440]

Just now, supermike80 said:

Soooo.  I work in the industry. Have for 35 years.  Work with multiple entities to hire truck drivers every single day.  Do wage studies,  deal with lots of driver turnover for better wages, or better conditions.   Hire lots of drivers looking for better wages and better conditions.  And youre going to tell me you know more about it than i do because you read something. 

Ok.  You win then 

I'm just citing to a reporting agency called SONAR. And I'm just looking at the numbers they present. If you care to use it for budgeting purposes they might be useful. Here's their site.

[supermike80 1,851]

14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I'm just citing to a reporting agency called SONAR. And I'm just looking at the numbers they present. If you care to use it for budgeting purposes they might be useful. Here's their site.

Oh i know youre citing....something....im just using real stuff.  

But like I said you win.  Your site is superior to my over 3 decades in this business.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,091]

 Now that you have to know English to drive there will be plenty of work for decent American truck drivers. 

[SaintsInDome2006 440]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Oh i know youre citing....something....im just using real stuff.  

But like I said you win.  Your site is superior to my over 3 decades in this business.

Just having a conversation. I thought you'd be interested in that group if you use any vendors or consultants. Nothing but respect. Thanks for the responses. 

[supermike80 1,851]

17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 Now that you have to know English to drive there will be plenty of work for decent American truck drivers. 

Thats a biggggg deal.  Especially in the Detroit area.   

[MDC 7,200]

Trump's toadies are peddling a dangerous new lie

Thom Hartmann

10h

Trump and his billionaire toadies like Howard Lutnik and Scott Bessent are peddling a dangerous lie to working-class Americans. They’re strutting around claiming their tariffs will bring back “good paying jobs” with “great benefits,” while actively undermining the very thing that made manufacturing jobs valuable to working people in the first place: unions.

Let’s be crystal clear about what’s really happening: Without strong unions, bringing manufacturing back to America will simply create more sweatshop opportunities where desperate workers earn between $7.25 and $15 an hour with zero benefits and zero security.

The only reason manufacturing jobs like my father had at a tool-and-die shop in the 1960s paid well enough to catapult a single-wage-earner family into the middle class was because they had a union — the Machinists’ Union, in my dad’s case — fighting relentlessly for their rights and dignity.

My father’s union job meant we owned a modest home, had reliable healthcare, and could attend college without crushing debt. The manufacturing jobs Trump promises? Starvation wages without healthcare while corporate profits soar and executives buy their third megayacht.

The proof of their deception is written all over their actions: They’re already reconfiguring the Labor Department into an anti-worker weapon designed to crush any further unionization in America.

Joe Biden was also working to revive American manufacturing — with actual success — but he made it absolutely clear that companies benefiting from his Inflation Reduction Act and CHIPS Act should welcome unions in exchange for government support.

Trump and his GOP enablers want the opposite: docile workers grateful for poverty wages.

While Republicans babble endlessly about “job creators,” they fundamentally misunderstand — or deliberately obscure — how a nation’s true wealth is actually generated.

It’s not through Wall Street speculation or billionaire tax breaks. It’s through making things of value; the exact activity their donor class has eagerly shipped overseas for decades while pocketing the difference.

There’s a profound economic reason to bring manufacturing home that Adam Smith laid out in 1776 and Alexander Hamilton amplified in 1791 when he presented his vision for turning America into a manufacturing powerhouse. It’s the fundamental principle behind Smith’s book “The Wealth of Nations” that I explain in detail in The Hidden History of Neoliberalism: How Reaganism Gutted America.

A tree limb lying on the forest floor has zero economic value. But apply human labor by whittling it into an axe handle, and you’ve created something valuable. That “added value” — the result of applying human (or machine) labor to raw materials — is wealth added to the nation, often lasting for generations if the product endures. Axes made in the 17th century are still being sold in America; manufacturing can produce wealth that truly lasts generations.

Manufacturing, in other words, is the only true way a country becomes wealthier. It’s why China transformed from the impoverished nation I witnessed firsthand when I lived and studied there in 1986 to the economic juggernaut it is today. It’s why Japan and South Korea emerged from the devastation of war to become industrial powerhouses within decades.

This is not generally true, by the way, of a service economy, the system that Reagan and Clinton told us would give us “clean jobs” as America abandoned manufacturing in the 1980-2000s era.

If I give you a $50 haircut and you give me a $50 massage — a service economy — we’ve merely shuffled money around while the nation’s overall wealth remains unchanged. But build a factory producing solar panels, and you’ve created something from raw materials that generates power for decades: that’s real wealth that didn’t exist before.

Republicans used to understand this basic economic principle before they sold their souls to Wall Street speculators and foreign dictators who shower them with “investments.”

Service-only economies don’t generate wealth; they just recirculate existing money. This fundamental truth is the strongest argument for rebuilding American manufacturing capacity, yet it’s one that economists and political commentators almost never mention. Trump certainly doesn’t grasp it — or care — as he hawks Chinese-made MAGA hats while pretending to champion American workers.

The hypocrisy is staggering. This is the same Donald Trump whose branded clothing lines were manufactured in China, Mexico, and Bangladesh. The same Republican Party that pushed “free trade” deals for decades that gutted American manufacturing communities. Now they’re suddenly tariff champions? Please.

So yes, let’s use thoughtfully designed tariffs and other trade policies to bring manufacturing back to our shores. Let Congress debate and pass these measures with 3- to 10-year phase-in periods so manufacturers can plan their transition to American production without the chaos of Trump changing his mind every time some foreign dictator slips another million into his back pocket.

But don’t be fooled for one second: the GOP’s plan to resurrect American manufacturing while continuing their war on unions is nothing but a cynical ploy to create an army of desperate, low-wage workers with no power to demand their fair share.

It’s not “Making America Great Again” — it’s making America into exactly what their corporate donors have always wanted: a docile workforce with no voice, no protections, and nowhere else to go.

We need manufacturing AND unions. Anything less is just another con job from the party that’s perfected the art of getting working class Americans to vote against their own economic interests.

[supermike80 1,851]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump's toadies are peddling a dangerous new lie

Thom Hartmann

10h

Trump and his billionaire toadies like Howard Lutnik and Scott Bessent are peddling a dangerous lie to working-class Americans. They’re strutting around claiming their tariffs will bring back “good paying jobs” with “great benefits,” while actively undermining the very thing that made manufacturing jobs valuable to working people in the first place: unions.

Let’s be crystal clear about what’s really happening: Without strong unions, bringing manufacturing back to America will simply create more sweatshop opportunities where desperate workers earn between $7.25 and $15 an hour with zero benefits and zero security.

The only reason manufacturing jobs like my father had at a tool-and-die shop in the 1960s paid well enough to catapult a single-wage-earner family into the middle class was because they had a union — the Machinists’ Union, in my dad’s case — fighting relentlessly for their rights and dignity.

My father’s union job meant we owned a modest home, had reliable healthcare, and could attend college without crushing debt. The manufacturing jobs Trump promises? Starvation wages without healthcare while corporate profits soar and executives buy their third megayacht.

The proof of their deception is written all over their actions: They’re already reconfiguring the Labor Department into an anti-worker weapon designed to crush any further unionization in America.

Joe Biden was also working to revive American manufacturing — with actual success — but he made it absolutely clear that companies benefiting from his Inflation Reduction Act and CHIPS Act should welcome unions in exchange for government support.

Trump and his GOP enablers want the opposite: docile workers grateful for poverty wages.

While Republicans babble endlessly about “job creators,” they fundamentally misunderstand — or deliberately obscure — how a nation’s true wealth is actually generated.

It’s not through Wall Street speculation or billionaire tax breaks. It’s through making things of value; the exact activity their donor class has eagerly shipped overseas for decades while pocketing the difference.

There’s a profound economic reason to bring manufacturing home that Adam Smith laid out in 1776 and Alexander Hamilton amplified in 1791 when he presented his vision for turning America into a manufacturing powerhouse. It’s the fundamental principle behind Smith’s book “The Wealth of Nations” that I explain in detail in The Hidden History of Neoliberalism: How Reaganism Gutted America.

A tree limb lying on the forest floor has zero economic value. But apply human labor by whittling it into an axe handle, and you’ve created something valuable. That “added value” — the result of applying human (or machine) labor to raw materials — is wealth added to the nation, often lasting for generations if the product endures. Axes made in the 17th century are still being sold in America; manufacturing can produce wealth that truly lasts generations.

Manufacturing, in other words, is the only true way a country becomes wealthier. It’s why China transformed from the impoverished nation I witnessed firsthand when I lived and studied there in 1986 to the economic juggernaut it is today. It’s why Japan and South Korea emerged from the devastation of war to become industrial powerhouses within decades.

This is not generally true, by the way, of a service economy, the system that Reagan and Clinton told us would give us “clean jobs” as America abandoned manufacturing in the 1980-2000s era.

If I give you a $50 haircut and you give me a $50 massage — a service economy — we’ve merely shuffled money around while the nation’s overall wealth remains unchanged. But build a factory producing solar panels, and you’ve created something from raw materials that generates power for decades: that’s real wealth that didn’t exist before.

Republicans used to understand this basic economic principle before they sold their souls to Wall Street speculators and foreign dictators who shower them with “investments.”

Service-only economies don’t generate wealth; they just recirculate existing money. This fundamental truth is the strongest argument for rebuilding American manufacturing capacity, yet it’s one that economists and political commentators almost never mention. Trump certainly doesn’t grasp it — or care — as he hawks Chinese-made MAGA hats while pretending to champion American workers.

The hypocrisy is staggering. This is the same Donald Trump whose branded clothing lines were manufactured in China, Mexico, and Bangladesh. The same Republican Party that pushed “free trade” deals for decades that gutted American manufacturing communities. Now they’re suddenly tariff champions? Please.

So yes, let’s use thoughtfully designed tariffs and other trade policies to bring manufacturing back to our shores. Let Congress debate and pass these measures with 3- to 10-year phase-in periods so manufacturers can plan their transition to American production without the chaos of Trump changing his mind every time some foreign dictator slips another million into his back pocket.

But don’t be fooled for one second: the GOP’s plan to resurrect American manufacturing while continuing their war on unions is nothing but a cynical ploy to create an army of desperate, low-wage workers with no power to demand their fair share.

It’s not “Making America Great Again” — it’s making America into exactly what their corporate donors have always wanted: a docile workforce with no voice, no protections, and nowhere else to go.

We need manufacturing AND unions. Anything less is just another con job from the party that’s perfected the art of getting working class Americans to vote against their own economic interests.

I genuinely believe people who write these kinds of things dont truly understand how things work.   Im serious 

[jonnyutah 256]

26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 Now that you have to know English to drive there will be plenty of work for decent American truck drivers. 

Yep. These dumbasses with their flip flops and no speaky will be awesome to have gone. I hate them. Danger to our society. Just absolute trash. Deport them all now. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,091]

Idiot thinks anyone read that. Sad that so many here can’t speak in their own voice. 

[shadrap 226]

54 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Oh i know youre citing....something....im just using real stuff.  

But like I said you win.  Your site is superior to my over 3 decades in this business.

SID.  he always sites something or will site something that changes the narrative because he doesn't like the original.  Easily in top 3 most disingenuous posters on this board.  that is approaching whack city TDS inflicted territory.

Sorry not "approaching",  already there by a few miles.  

[shadrap 226]

28 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Idiot thinks anyone read that. Sad that so many here can’t speak in their own voice. 

Getting used to it.  Some serious whack jobs on this site defending unlimited immigration, against deporting illegals, hormones for kids looking to transition, gay parade with guys making out & grabbing balls, men playing women sports, against DOGE finding waste, fraud & abuse of OUR money, for DEI hiring which is racist,  Letting NATO not pay what they are supposed to pay, no tariffs adjustment, even though we are getting shorted money.

Just because it is a Dem idea does not automatically make it a good idea.

[Ron_Artest 1,190]

Google stagflation and then think about how nothing else matters for the midterms.

[MDC 7,200]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

I genuinely believe people who write these kinds of things dont truly understand how things work.   Im serious 

I don’t agree with all of it, but this part is true:

Without strong unions, bringing manufacturing back to America will simply create more sweatshop opportunities where desperate workers earn between $7.25 and $15 an hour with zero benefits and zero security.

It’s all academic thought. Trump will make some minor deal with China and declare victory. MAGAs will pretend US jobs were never the goal.

Book it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,091]

36 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Getting used to it.  Some serious whack jobs on this site defending unlimited immigration, against deporting illegals, hormones for kids looking to transition, gay parade with guys making out & grabbing balls, men playing women sports, against DOGE finding waste, fraud & abuse of OUR money, for DEI hiring which is racist,  Letting NATO not pay what they are supposed to pay, no tariffs adjustment, even though we are getting shorted money.

Just because it is a Dem idea does not automatically make it a good idea.

Great post. So true. 

[supermike80 1,851]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t agree with all of it, but this part is true:

Without strong unions, bringing manufacturing back to America will simply create more sweatshop opportunities where desperate workers earn between $7.25 and $15 an hour with zero benefits and zero security.

It’s all academic thought. Trump will make some minor deal with China and declare victory. MAGAs will pretend US jobs were never the goal.

Book it.

Do you know why companies pay lower wages?  Take a guess

[Strike 5,311]

11 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t agree with all of it, but this part is true:

Without strong unions, bringing manufacturing back to America will simply create more sweatshop opportunities where desperate workers earn between $7.25 and $15 an hour with zero benefits and zero security.

It’s all academic thought. Trump will make some minor deal with China and declare victory. MAGAs will pretend US jobs were never the goal.

Book it.

Of course that's not true.  In most parts of the country you can make at least 15 to 20 bucks an hour at McDonald's.  I doubt there's one factory in this country that pays 7,.25 an hour.  Probably not any business of any type except maybe a tipped job somewhere but you get tips.

[MDC 7,200]

29 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Do you know why companies pay lower wages?  Take a guess

I give up. Why?

[MDC 7,200]

26 minutes ago, Strike said:

Of course that's not true.  In most parts of the country you can make at least 15 to 20 bucks an hour at McDonald's.  I doubt there's one factory in this country that pays 7,.25 an hour.  Probably not any business of any type except maybe a tipped job somewhere but you get tips.

I doubt there are many places where you can live off a $20/hour no benefit job on the widget line anymore, either. The point is this admin says they want US manufacturing and undermines unions all the time. 

Fake populists with a fake trade war.

[Gepetto 1,318]

This writer just makes a living by writing everything anti-Trump. https://www.alternet.org/author/thom-hartmann

[Reality 3,120]

 

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Trump's toadies are peddling a dangerous new lie

Thom Hartmann

10h

Trump and his billionaire toadies like Howard Lutnik and Scott Bessent are peddling a dangerous lie to working-class Americans. They’re strutting around claiming their tariffs will bring back “good paying jobs” with “great benefits,” while actively undermining the very thing that made manufacturing jobs valuable to working people in the first place: unions.

Let’s be crystal clear about what’s really happening: Without strong unions, bringing manufacturing back to America will simply create more sweatshop opportunities where desperate workers earn between $7.25 and $15 an hour with zero benefits and zero security.

The only reason manufacturing jobs like my father had at a tool-and-die shop in the 1960s paid well enough to catapult a single-wage-earner family into the middle class was because they had a union — the Machinists’ Union, in my dad’s case — fighting relentlessly for their rights and dignity.

My father’s union job meant we owned a modest home, had reliable healthcare, and could attend college without crushing debt. The manufacturing jobs Trump promises? Starvation wages without healthcare while corporate profits soar and executives buy their third megayacht.

The proof of their deception is written all over their actions: They’re already reconfiguring the Labor Department into an anti-worker weapon designed to crush any further unionization in America.

Joe Biden was also working to revive American manufacturing — with actual success — but he made it absolutely clear that companies benefiting from his Inflation Reduction Act and CHIPS Act should welcome unions in exchange for government support.

Trump and his GOP enablers want the opposite: docile workers grateful for poverty wages.

While Republicans babble endlessly about “job creators,” they fundamentally misunderstand — or deliberately obscure — how a nation’s true wealth is actually generated.

It’s not through Wall Street speculation or billionaire tax breaks. It’s through making things of value; the exact activity their donor class has eagerly shipped overseas for decades while pocketing the difference.

There’s a profound economic reason to bring manufacturing home that Adam Smith laid out in 1776 and Alexander Hamilton amplified in 1791 when he presented his vision for turning America into a manufacturing powerhouse. It’s the fundamental principle behind Smith’s book “The Wealth of Nations” that I explain in detail in The Hidden History of Neoliberalism: How Reaganism Gutted America.

A tree limb lying on the forest floor has zero economic value. But apply human labor by whittling it into an axe handle, and you’ve created something valuable. That “added value” — the result of applying human (or machine) labor to raw materials — is wealth added to the nation, often lasting for generations if the product endures. Axes made in the 17th century are still being sold in America; manufacturing can produce wealth that truly lasts generations.

Manufacturing, in other words, is the only true way a country becomes wealthier. It’s why China transformed from the impoverished nation I witnessed firsthand when I lived and studied there in 1986 to the economic juggernaut it is today. It’s why Japan and South Korea emerged from the devastation of war to become industrial powerhouses within decades.

This is not generally true, by the way, of a service economy, the system that Reagan and Clinton told us would give us “clean jobs” as America abandoned manufacturing in the 1980-2000s era.

If I give you a $50 haircut and you give me a $50 massage — a service economy — we’ve merely shuffled money around while the nation’s overall wealth remains unchanged. But build a factory producing solar panels, and you’ve created something from raw materials that generates power for decades: that’s real wealth that didn’t exist before.

Republicans used to understand this basic economic principle before they sold their souls to Wall Street speculators and foreign dictators who shower them with “investments.”

Service-only economies don’t generate wealth; they just recirculate existing money. This fundamental truth is the strongest argument for rebuilding American manufacturing capacity, yet it’s one that economists and political commentators almost never mention. Trump certainly doesn’t grasp it — or care — as he hawks Chinese-made MAGA hats while pretending to champion American workers.

The hypocrisy is staggering. This is the same Donald Trump whose branded clothing lines were manufactured in China, Mexico, and Bangladesh. The same Republican Party that pushed “free trade” deals for decades that gutted American manufacturing communities. Now they’re suddenly tariff champions? Please.

So yes, let’s use thoughtfully designed tariffs and other trade policies to bring manufacturing back to our shores. Let Congress debate and pass these measures with 3- to 10-year phase-in periods so manufacturers can plan their transition to American production without the chaos of Trump changing his mind every time some foreign dictator slips another million into his back pocket.

But don’t be fooled for one second: the GOP’s plan to resurrect American manufacturing while continuing their war on unions is nothing but a cynical ploy to create an army of desperate, low-wage workers with no power to demand their fair share.

It’s not “Making America Great Again” — it’s making America into exactly what their corporate donors have always wanted: a docile workforce with no voice, no protections, and nowhere else to go.

We need manufacturing AND unions. Anything less is just another con job from the party that’s perfected the art of getting working class Americans to vote against their own economic interests.

You have to seriously question the mental stability of somebody who thought it was a good idea to post this article. 

Did a public school teacher write this?

[SaintsInDome2006 440]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Let’s be crystal clear about what’s really happening: Without strong unions, bringing manufacturing back to America will simply create more sweatshop opportunities where desperate workers earn between $7.25 and $15 an hour with zero benefits and zero security.

The only reason manufacturing jobs like my father had at a tool-and-die shop in the 1960s paid well enough to catapult a single-wage-earner family into the middle class was because they had a union — the Machinists’ Union, in my dad’s case — fighting relentlessly for their rights and dignity.

My father’s union job meant we owned a modest home, had reliable healthcare, and could attend college without crushing debt. The manufacturing jobs Trump promises? Starvation wages without healthcare while corporate profits soar and executives buy their third megayacht.

Fwiw yes once a while back Dems in the rustbelt used to be opposed to the free trade deals, but they were also pro-union. They went hand in hand, union areas and pro-factory. Now there's nothing offered to people with these jobs. Even right now there are over 500,000 manufacturing jobs that are gone unfilled.

[MDC 7,200]

13 minutes ago, Reality said:

 

You have to seriously question the mental stability of somebody who thought it was a good idea to post this article. 

Did a public school teacher write this?

Classic Reality post: zero calorie and very feminine.
Well done Shaniqua.  

[SaintsInDome2006 440]

Seattle's port commissioner has stated that they have no container ships in port.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,091]

20 minutes ago, Reality said:

 

You have to seriously question the mental stability of somebody who thought it was a good idea to post this article. 

Did a public school teacher write this?

Liberals complaining about corporate donors. Seriously. They think no one noticed I guess. 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

3 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Soooo.  I work in the industry. Have for 35 years.  Work with multiple entities to hire truck drivers every single day.  Do wage studies,  deal with lots of driver turnover for better wages, or better conditions.   Hire lots of drivers looking for better wages and better conditions.  And youre going to tell me you know more about it than i do because you read something. 

Ok.  You win then 

This isn’t helpful. If you disagree with the articles we are reading that say trucking is in trouble because of the tariffs (and these articles are numerous), tell us why they are wrong. I’m honestly not trying to argue with you here. If they’re all making an error I want to know what it is. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,091]

Seattle hates capitalism. Fock em

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

Trump is promising a major trade deal announced tomorrow morning. India? We’ll know soon…

[MDC 7,200]

30 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Fwiw yes once a while back Dems in the rustbelt used to be opposed to the free trade deals, but they were also pro-union. They went hand in hand, union areas and pro-factory. Now there's nothing offered to people with these jobs. Even right now there are over 500,000 manufacturing jobs that are gone unfilled.

I’m not defending the Dems on this issue, but populist Republicans are the most odious phonies in politics right now and it’s not particularly close. We have several of them right here at the GC.

[thegeneral 3,039]

How long until Trump is calling this super duper amazing deal that he has made the worst thing ever and horrible? 

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

I used to argue with liberals all the time that when the government interferes with the marketplace, it’s never big business that is hurt; they can always absorb the extra costs and restrictions. It’s small businesses that can afford it and what inevitably happens is that the small businesses are ruined and the corporations get more powerful, exactly the opposite of the goal the liberals were trying to achieve. I still very much believe this. 
 

I never thought I would have to make this argument to conservatives. But here we are. 

[thegeneral 3,039]

26 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump is promising a major trade deal announced tomorrow morning. India? We’ll know soon…

It’s the UK apparently.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,091]

How come liberals don’t complain about Wall Street and the banks anymore? lol. 

[jonnyutah 256]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

How come liberals don’t complain about Wall Street and the banks anymore? lol. 

Or eggs

[The Real timschochet 6,543]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

It’s the UK apparently.

That won’t help with the goods we normally import from China. UK doesn’t import them. India might have helped…

[Strike 5,311]

If the contraction in trucker jobs gets people like this off the roads we'll all be better off:

https://www.wkrg.com/alabama-news/clarke-county/multiple-people-killed-in-clarke-county-crash/

[Strike 5,311]

3 hours ago, MDC said:

I doubt there are many places where you can live off a $20/hour no benefit job on the widget line anymore, either. The point is this admin says they want US manufacturing and undermines unions all the time.  

Fake populists with a fake trade war.

No, the point is that you touting $7.50/hr jobs is another f'ing lie. 

[supermike80 1,851]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This isn’t helpful. If you disagree with the articles we are reading that say trucking is in trouble because of the tariffs (and these articles are numerous), tell us why they are wrong. I’m honestly not trying to argue with you here. If they’re all making an error I want to know what it is. 

I said truck drivers will be ok.  Not trucking overall.  Trucking, in general, is a very tough business.  Trucking companies fold all the time, but the drivers carry on fine.  There are lots of open truck driving jobs.

Thought i was clear i was referencing drivers earlier 

[MDC 7,200]

5 hours ago, Strike said:

No, the point is that you touting $7.50/hr jobs is another f'ing lie. 

You know I didn’t write this article, right?

[Ron_Artest 1,190]

Trade deal incoming with the UK.  One of the few countries we actually had a trade surplus with

Hopefully this is the victory declaration that allows him to drop all the tariffs.

Maybe it means little girls can now have 3 dolls and 7 pencils.