LIBERATION DAY: USA and China agree to a 90 day pause on most new tariffs

[Ron_Artest 1,549]

5 minutes ago, Reality said:

Good days for the US are bad days for the gutters & timmys of the world. 

 Kinda tells you all you need to know.

Keep telling yourself that.

Truth is Tim and I probably care more about this country than you.

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3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Keep telling yourself that.

Truth is Tim and I probably care more about this country than you.

I actually believe you that you think you care about the US.

Unfortunately you side with the pedos and uniparty, so your caring ends up destroying the country. Maybe rethink what you support.

[Horseman 2,467]

3 hours ago, Reality said:

Good days for the US are bad days for the gutters & timmys of the world. 

 Kinda tells you all you need to know.

Gutter has fallen so far he's putting himself in the same group as a guy that literally lives in his own reality.    

[Hardcore troubadour 15,459]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Keep telling yourself that.

Truth is Tim and I probably care more about this country than you.

Yup. You care so much about it you want to bring in as many non Americans as possible, background check not necessary. Totally makes sense. 

[Ron_Artest 1,549]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yup. You care so much about it you want to bring in as many non Americans as possible, background check not necessary. Totally makes sense. 

Wrong again dummy

[Hardcore troubadour 15,459]

Carrier to create 4k jobs in US. Kinda doubt they will be 15 dollars an hour. There goes that magic wand again.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,459]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Wrong again dummy

Yeah. I remember you going off about it everyday during Biden, like you do about Trump.  STFU. 

[Horseman 2,467]

Remember a few days ago when they said China hasn't even heard from the Trump administration?   

[Frozenbeernuts 2,269]

Reading some things. Lol liberals are going to wonder wtf just happened.

[blick 39]

My goodness is this guy killing it. On the same day that the Dems admitted they ran a guy they felt needed to be in a wheel chair.  The contrast couldn’t be more stark. 

[shadrap 228]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yup. You care so much about it you want to bring in as many non Americans as possible, background check not necessary. Totally makes sense. 

& no covid shots for them when at the same time they were firing & kicking people out of their jobs who were US citizens.

I wish I was making this up, but this is what the Dems did.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,459]

4 minutes ago, shadrap said:

& no covid shots for them when at the same time they were firing & kicking people out of their jobs who were US citizens.

I wish I was making this up, but this is what the Dems did.

 

It’s the most dastardly thing our government has done to its people in my lifetime.  I’ll never forgive or forget.  Pure scum.  

[Reality 3,121]

Trump is just running up the score at this point.

What a contrast.

[The Real timschochet 6,786]

4 hours ago, Reality said:

Trump is just running up the score at this point.

What a contrast.

You mean running up the prices right? 
 

https://www.wpr.org/news/wisconsin-coffee-roaster-warns-of-price-hikes-amid-tariff-uncertainty

Coffee is hurting like so many other industries. 

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18 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You mean running up the prices right? 
 

https://www.wpr.org/news/wisconsin-coffee-roaster-warns-of-price-hikes-amid-tariff-uncertainty

Coffee is hurting like so many other industries. 

Dear Lord... You libtards try too hard. And are always wrong. 

[blick 39]

10 hours ago, Reality said:

Trump is just running up the score at this point.

What a contrast.

Any other politician would have stopped to spike the ball after any one of these accomplishments. Not him. 

[RLLD 4,237]

13 hours ago, Reality said:

Trump is just running up the score at this point.

What a contrast.

I might suggest we wait on any victory dance.

1) Government always lies, ALWAYS, never ....ever,,,,,ever..... trust anything pronounced by government

2) When we see economists surprised that tariffs had to no impact is is demonstrative of their lack of credibility or ability......tariffs would NEVER show this fast if they had an impact......it can take months....and sometimes years....for tariffs to have ANY impacts.

3) ANY impact by tariffs would be easily offset by a number of other areas of the economy, there are many things that would negate any tariff-driven impacts, if housing goes up or down......we wont even see the impacts of tariffs one way or another.

ALL the talk about tariffs is just angry people hoping we lose.

[Ron_Artest 1,549]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I might suggest we wait on any victory dance.

1) Government always lies, ALWAYS, never ....ever,,,,,ever..... trust anything pronounced by government

2) When we see economists surprised that tariffs had to no impact is is demonstrative of their lack of credibility or ability......tariffs would NEVER show this fast if they had an impact......it can take months....and sometimes years....for tariffs to have ANY impacts.

3) ANY impact by tariffs would be easily offset by a number of other areas of the economy, there are many things that would negate any tariff-driven impacts, if housing goes up or down......we wont even see the impacts of tariffs one way or another.

ALL the talk about tariffs is just angry people hoping we lose.

It's great having RLLD back

 

[RLLD 4,237]

37 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's great having RLLD back

 

You do realize.....the economists are now saying that tariffs are having no impact, right?  And you also further realize that in saying this, they demonstrate a total lack of comprehension about how tariffs and the economy actually work? Right?  

[Ron_Artest 1,549]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You do realize.....the economists are now saying that tariffs are having no impact, right?  And you also further realize that in saying this, they demonstrate a total lack of comprehension about how tariffs and the economy actually work? Right?  

No I don't know any Economist that is saying that tariffs are having no impact on the Economy and neither do you.

Further, Economists know more about how tariffs impact the Economy than you and Donald Trump.

[The Real timschochet 6,786]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You do realize.....the economists are now saying that tariffs are having no impact, right?  And you also further realize that in saying this, they demonstrate a total lack of comprehension about how tariffs and the economy actually work? Right?  

What in the actual Fock are you talking about? What economist has said this? They’ve said the same thing all along: that the price hikes will hit this summer, in June or July, that it’s already too late to prevent it, that the drop in our ports currently happening (long Beach by 60%) is a calamity. 
https://apnews.com/article/inflation-economy-tariffs-trump-5436b90e8e5a003f228c1bd08186589c

Now they could still be wrong. I seriously doubt it but hope they are. We’ll know by July. 

[RLLD 4,237]

On 5/14/2025 at 10:50 AM, Ron_Artest said:

No I don't know any Economist that is saying that tariffs are having no impact on the Economy and neither do you.

Further, Economists know more about how tariffs impact the Economy than you and Donald Trump.

Actually most of them are

But I might suggest that there will typically be two camps, who disagree.   Now as I have been stating all along, tariffs have a tiny footprint in terms of prices to the consumer and it can take months for it to manifest, so no big surprise really that they are not "seeing it"

[The Real timschochet 6,786]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Actually most of them are

But I might suggest that there will typically be two camps, who disagree.   Now as I have been stating all along, tariffs have a tiny footprint in terms of prices to the consumer and it can take months for it to manifest, so no big surprise really that they are not "seeing it"

In that article the guy from JP Morgan says prices will seriously ramp up in June or July. Not sure what you think you’re reading. Tiny footprint? Hardly.

[RLLD 4,237]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What in the actual Fock are you talking about? What economist has said this? They’ve said the same thing all along: that the price hikes will hit this summer, in June or July, that it’s already too late to prevent it, that the drop in our ports currently happening (long Beach by 60%) is a calamity. 
https://apnews.com/article/inflation-economy-tariffs-trump-5436b90e8e5a003f228c1bd08186589c

Now they could still be wrong. I seriously doubt it but hope they are. We’ll know by July. 

They are not, and in a rare instance of honesty one actually states a truth.....

"A clear read on the inflation trend won’t be visible for several months yet,"

[RLLD 4,237]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

In that article the guy from JP Morgan says prices will seriously ramp up in June or July. Not sure what you think you’re reading. Tiny footprint? Hardly.

Which.....is what I have been asserting all along....and yet.....media seems surprised.....Wolf Blitzer himself noted that economists predicted a problem would be evident, which is over course just focking stupid to assert.

[The Real timschochet 6,786]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

They are not, and in a rare instance of honesty one actually states a truth.....

"A clear read on the inflation trend won’t be visible for several months yet,"

If by the end of July we don’t see price hikes and severe shortages on the items that normally reach us from China I will be quite happy (and very surprised.) 

[The Real timschochet 6,786]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Which.....is what I have been asserting all along....and yet.....media seems surprised.....Wolf Blitzer himself noted that economists predicted a problem would be evident, which is over course just focking stupid to assert.

I haven’t heard ANY economist say it would be immediate. But the problem is evident already in the ports, just not yet for the consumer. 
As for what you e been asserting, you say the effects will be tiny. I strongly doubt that. I think we’re in for a LOT of pain and it will be very noticeable. We’ll see who’s right between us; I sure hope it’s you. 

[RLLD 4,237]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

If by the end of July we don’t see price hikes and severe shortages on the items that normally reach us from China I will be quite happy (and very surprised.) 

Agree, while it would be wonderful to fix problems without pain the notion of doing so is rarely feasible.

But right now I find most of the machinations to be really solid in terms of strategy, so I hope for the best of course.   

I ight also suggest that the timeline to see impacts is rather aggressive and it would be unusual to see any impact from tariffs that quickly, moreover, any change in actual meaningful inflationary influences would hide it.

[The Real timschochet 6,786]

Just now, RLLD said:

Agree, while it would be wonderful to fix problems without pain the notion of doing so is rarely feasible.

But right now I find most of the machinations to be really solid in terms of strategy, so I hope for the best of course.   

I ight also suggest that the timeline to see impacts is rather aggressive and it would be unusual to see any impact from tariffs that quickly, moreover, any change in actual meaningful inflationary influences would hide it.

And we fundamentally disagree that this fixes anything. 

[RLLD 4,237]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

I haven’t heard ANY economist say it would be immediate. But the problem is evident already in the ports, just not yet for the consumer. 
As for what you e been asserting, you say the effects will be tiny. I strongly doubt that. I think we’re in for a LOT of pain and it will be very noticeable. We’ll see who’s right between us; I sure hope it’s you. 

But they did.....and CNN only used them for their reporting, so now....one again....they look foolish because they only reported one side.

[RLLD 4,237]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

And we fundamentally disagree that this fixes anything. 

If you say so

[Ron_Artest 1,549]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Actually most of them are

But I might suggest that there will typically be two camps, who disagree.   Now as I have been stating all along, tariffs have a tiny footprint in terms of prices to the consumer and it can take months for it to manifest, so no big surprise really that they are not "seeing it"

No, most of them aren't.  Your article is related to how inflation came in lower than expected.  Any economist will tell you that there is more to the economy than inflation.  Most economists have forecasted lower GDP growth based on the tariffs and that the inflation is coming.

The size of the tariff footprint is based on the size of the tariff.  You saw 145% tariff create an embargo.  Now that Trump caved and lowered it, we will now see goods from China rising in price.  We've seen auto prices rise already too.

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When and where does the plant for building 37 dolls for 10 year old girls start? AMERICAN JOBS!

[MDC 7,453]

19 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Agree, while it would be wonderful to fix problems without pain the notion of doing so is rarely feasible.

What problem is Trump trying to fix with the tariffs? US manufacturing jobs, trade imbalance, something else?

[Alias Detective 1,403]

Inflation just hit a 4-year low. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,459]

Carrier to open more manufacturing plants in US creating 4k jobs. Also Honda moving more manufacturing from Canada to US

[RLLD 4,237]

25 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No, most of them aren't.  Your article is related to how inflation came in lower than expected.  Any economist will tell you that there is more to the economy than inflation.  Most economists have forecasted lower GDP growth based on the tariffs and that the inflation is coming.

The size of the tariff footprint is based on the size of the tariff.  You saw 145% tariff create an embargo.  Now that Trump caved and lowered it, we will now see goods from China rising in price.  We've seen auto prices rise already too.

Well, the argument "here" was that they would cause inflation.....and clearly the economists who predicted it were wrong, as outlined by those reporting it.   But the entire topic isbeing wayyyyy overblown for dramatic effect

[RLLD 4,237]

13 minutes ago, MDC said:

What problem is Trump trying to fix with the tariffs? US manufacturing jobs, trade imbalance, something else?

In short the tariffs is part of a broader strategy of economic protections for  domestic industries that will result in job growth and with it improving just about everything in society. The long road of disintegrating domestic social status is linked directly to the shedding of jobs elsewhere.

 

Correcting Trade Imbalances which harm the access to good paying jobs for our people, reviving manufacturing which is a security issue, standing up to the corruption and cheating of China....which no longer needs to behave like that, 

 

[Ron_Artest 1,549]

15 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well, the argument "here" was that they would cause inflation.....and clearly the economists who predicted it were wrong, as outlined by those reporting it.   But the entire topic isbeing wayyyyy overblown for dramatic effect

The forecast was 2.4% for April, we came in at 2.3%.  Core inflation was 2.8%.  We saw a lower price of oil due to the slowdown introduced by the tariffs.

Forecast for end of year is 3.5%

 

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13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

In short the tariffs is part of a broader strategy of economic protections for  domestic industries that will result in job growth and with it improving just about everything in society. The long road of disintegrating domestic social status is linked directly to the shedding of jobs elsewhere.

 

Correcting Trade Imbalances which harm the access to good paying jobs for our people, reviving manufacturing which is a security issue, standing up to the corruption and cheating of China....which no longer needs to behave like that, 

 

How do you square that with Trump’s campaign promise to lower costs? If you tariff foreign goods to make US manufacturing more appealing, obviously that’s going to raise costs. Especially if those jobs are unionized and better paying.