Democrats Moving Away From The Party

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17 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The Democrat Party has been hijacked by the far-left.  No doubt about it.

No doubt.  Dems only chance going forward is to fight for the middle ground. 

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21 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

A lot of this is true, except that second paragraph.  Sounds like you think that's only one of the parties. 

Democrats are on the wrong side of popular sentiment on several cultural issues. They’re dumb for not pushing back on their relevance. Given the federal budget, there’s basically five categories: Defense, Social Security, Medicare, Interest on debt, and Other discretionary. Crap like transgender pedo grooming woke DEI issues are distractions from the point of the federal government. Those are just issues meant to divide people. The billionaires and multi millionaires need those 50% of voters, those issues are part of how they get them. Propaganda. 

So, Democrats are stupid, and I don’t agree with them on a host of issues. But what I see, by their actions and words, is that they are less likely to go after social security and medicare. That’s the bottom line. If people overly care about the culture war nonsense, they’re missing the point.

Firing federal employees is another quick example. I would have preferred not going after them at all, let alone in the idiotic, chaotic way that Trump is allowing Musk to do (which is crazy that people stand for this). Billionaires and multi millionaires going after regular wage earners, even if they work for the government, is what you voted for? Or what you think is smart? Wake up people. They are coming for things they think that they pay for. Like your social security and medicare. Democrats didn’t do that. 

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44 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Democrats are on the wrong side of popular sentiment on several cultural issues. They’re dumb for not pushing back on their relevance. Given the federal budget, there’s basically five categories: Defense, Social Security, Medicare, Interest on debt, and Other discretionary. Crap like transgender pedo grooming woke DEI issues are distractions from the point of the federal government. Those are just issues meant to divide people. The billionaires and multi millionaires need those 50% of voters, those issues are part of how they get them. Propaganda. 

So, Democrats are stupid, and I don’t agree with them on a host of issues. But what I see, by their actions and words, is that they are less likely to go after social security and medicare. That’s the bottom line. If people overly care about the culture war nonsense, they’re missing the point.

Firing federal employees is another quick example. I would have preferred not going after them at all, let alone in the idiotic, chaotic way that Trump is allowing Musk to do (which is crazy that people stand for this). Billionaires and multi millionaires going after regular wage earners, even if they work for the government, is what you voted for? Or what you think is smart? Wake up people. They are coming for things they think that they pay for. Like your social security and medicare. Democrats didn’t do that. 

They're saving $100s of billions all over the government. So far they've done nothing and will presumably tread carefully if when cutting popular government programs. The only thing they've done with Social Security and Medicare thus far is wonder if 130 year olds should be collecting benefits.

 

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Amazing that people don’t think our federal work force is bloated and that after Biden went on a hiring spree which resulted in no discernible benefit to the tax payer they don’t think laying off a small portion of that work force, mostly recent hires, is justifiable.   You must think that there was a tremendous shortage of federal workers beginning in 2021.  Please sir, may I have another. 

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3 hours ago, Herbivore said:

Just scrolling through reddit and this came up. 

 

I saw a similar post from a member of the Forest Service who voted for Trump and recently got laid off. The person who reposted it is a right-leaning MAGA aunt. I think we’re going to see a lot of buyer’s remorse over the next few years.

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

They're saving $100s of billions all over the government. So far they've done nothing and will presumably tread carefully if when cutting popular government programs. The only thing they've done with Social Security and Medicare thus far is wonder if 130 year olds should be collecting benefits.

 

You've stated the 130 yr olds thing a few times. Is this related to the 150 yr old COBOL related thing, or something else? Cause the "wondering" sounds like propaganda to me.

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1 hour ago, Herbivore said:

You've stated the 130 yr olds thing a few times. Is this related to the 150 yr old COBOL related thing, or something else? Cause the "wondering" sounds like propaganda to me.

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-major-social-security-warning-fraud-billion-week-lost-2029244

150. It was Elon Musk (with his kid) when in the oval office with Trump talking about the fraud he found when examining Social Security.

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36 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-major-social-security-warning-fraud-billion-week-lost-2029244

150. It was Elon Musk (with his kid) when in the oval office with Trump talking about the fraud he found when examining Social Security.

ok, so you have fallen for some propaganda. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/20/trumps-social-security-head-contradicts-claims-dead-recipients/79330447007/

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10 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

ok, so you have fallen for some propaganda. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/20/trumps-social-security-head-contradicts-claims-dead-recipients/79330447007/

Let me clarify then using your link. Thank You to Elon Musk for identifying $71.8 billion in improper payments between 2015 and 2022. I'm glad somebody is finally looking for fraud and doing something about it. I presume the checks that don't involve fraud have been going out on time, noting the absence of deranged leftoid media activists frothing at the mouth about that 24/7.

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42 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

ok, so you have fallen for some propaganda. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/20/trumps-social-security-head-contradicts-claims-dead-recipients/79330447007/

 

 

Musk says there are 60M more 'eligible' (his word) Social Security numbers than there are people in the USA. Meanwhile, Democrats are denying this. Every day we see more and more crazy stories of all the waste going on and getting exposed in all these departments and agencies, like your link where Musk found $71.6B in fraud at Social Security system.

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500 million to environmental consultants in South Africa. Tells you all you need to know.  

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15 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Let me clarify then using your link. Thank You to Elon Musk for identifying $71.8 billion in improper payments between 2015 and 2022. I'm glad somebody is finally looking for fraud and doing something about it. I presume the checks that don't involve fraud have been going out on time, noting the absence of deranged leftoid media activists frothing at the mouth about that 24/7.

It's funny cause I figured that you would bring up the $71.8b, which we all would like to be cleaned up and corrected. Thing is you are wrong again. Elon Musk did not find this, the audit, which was completed in July 2024 did. You can click on that link and see it. This audit was done by Michelle L. Anderson who has been with SSA since 2019. The goal of the audit seems to be to identify what was causing the improper payments, offer some corrections, and how to get paid back. One example of improper payments below. Is there some fraud likely coming from recipients that don't notify SSA timely, sure. Its kind of like how there is no widespread voter fraud, but a trump voter will vote for their dead mom. Now if that knob Elon came out and said, we saw this report, and have directed SSA to retrieve these funds in some manner, fine. But he didn't, he said a bunch of nonsense, and you lapped it up. 

The White House has pointed to a 2024 inspector general audit that found $71.8 billion in improper Social Security payments from 2015 to 2022, accounting for less than 1% of the $8.6 trillion in benefits paid over that period. Most were overpayments and some were underpayments, according to the report.

For example, in a May 2022 audit of overpayments caused by incorrect benefit computations, we found SSA could have avoided about 73,000 overpayments totaling more than $368 million had it had effective controls over manual benefit computations.

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12 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

 

 

Musk says there are 60M more 'eligible' (his word) Social Security numbers than there are people in the USA. Meanwhile, Democrats are denying this. Every day we see more and more crazy stories of all the waste going on and getting exposed in all these departments and agencies, like your link where Musk found $71.6B in fraud at Social Security system.

This is great for you. Everyday Elon throws some chum in the water, and you are ready to slurp it up. And again, Elon Musk did not find $71.8b in fraud. Dudek stated that 150 yr old "people" are not getting benefits. And yet, your vid is out there pushing this. What do you call that?

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1 hour ago, Herbivore said:

This is great for you. Everyday Elon throws some chum in the water, and you are ready to slurp it up. And again, Elon Musk did not find $71.8b in fraud. Dudek stated that 150 yr old "people" are not getting benefits. And yet, your vid is out there pushing this. What do you call that?

No one "slurped up" more BS than you far left extremists drinking Maxine Waters'and Joe Biden's and Adam Schiff's urine that they spewed all over your faces. 

Your "thoughts" don't count anymore. You are extinct. 

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I dont think there is any reason for us to argue about this.  I think both liberal and conservative can look at this as a win.

Conservatives can enjoy reasonable and sane people DO exist on the left, here are some easy examples.   It shows us that good people can be liberals. This is not a win because we enjoy more sensible people, but that we can have people around who disagree AND are not batsh!t crazy.

For liberals this is a win as well. Eventually these people will come back to you all.Through this exodus of the good folks it should be possible to eventually chase the nutjobs out of the party.

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5 minutes ago, jbycho said:

No one "slurped up" more BS than you far left extremists drinking Maxine Waters'and Joe Biden's and Adam Schiff's urine that they spewed all over your faces. 

Your "thoughts" don't count anymore. You are extinct. 

ohh looks like I triggered a tantrum from 1 of our russian bots 

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Just now, Herbivore said:

ohh looks like I triggered a tantrum from 1 of our russian bots 

No. Telling the truth is simple. 

Sounds like you're the one triggered ponyboy. 

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I dont think there is any reason for us to argue about this.  I think both liberal and conservative can look at this as a win.

Conservatives can enjoy reasonable and sane people DO exist on the left, here are some easy examples.   It shows us that good people can be liberals. This is not a win because we enjoy more sensible people, but that we can have people around who disagree AND are not batsh!t crazy.

For liberals this is a win as well. Eventually these people will come back to you all.Through this exodus of the good folks it should be possible to eventually chase the nutjobs out of the party.

 any Dem losses will be replenished with R losses

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1 minute ago, Herbivore said:

 any Dem losses will be replenished with R losses

Perhaps. later maybe.

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6 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

 any Dem losses will be replenished with R losses

Living hopefully in the future. Boy, not living in the present must be a great way for you to live your life. But no thanks. 

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8 hours ago, RLLD said:

I dont think there is any reason for us to argue about this.  I think both liberal and conservative can look at this as a win.

Conservatives can enjoy reasonable and sane people DO exist on the left, here are some easy examples.   It shows us that good people can be liberals. This is not a win because we enjoy more sensible people, but that we can have people around who disagree AND are not batsh!t crazy.

For liberals this is a win as well. Eventually these people will come back to you all.Through this exodus of the good folks it should be possible to eventually chase the nutjobs out of the party.

These people may or may not come back. They are up for grabs and as they wake up to reality, we need them to come our way, so we can shed permanently toxic brainless effeminate "conservatives' (self-procalmed) like Tebok, who we don't want contaminating us, and they can have since they already fit in seamlessly with the party of freaks weirdos, perverts, and incompetents who lie, whine, cry and complain constantly about all the cornucopia of good things that are happening simultaneously right now. 

Good riddance. Addition by subtraction. Bye. 

Welcome former Democrats. From President Trump on down, there are a ton of them in the administration already.

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You can see this when Trump is telling a governor that she will not be allowed transgender men in women's sports. All she said, very quietly, was I will see you in court.

The left acts like she literally threw a hand granade at Trump and blew him to pieces. They will latch onto any scrap that their party isn't falling apart.

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5 hours ago, Voltaire said:

These people may or may not come back. They are up for grabs and as they wake up to reality, we need them to come our way, so we can shed permanently toxic brainless effeminate "conservatives' (self-procalmed) like Tebok, who we don't want contaminating us, and they can have since they already fit in seamlessly with the party of freaks weirdos, perverts, and incompetents who lie, whine, cry and complain constantly about all the cornucopia of good things that are happening simultaneously right now. 

Good riddance. Addition by subtraction. Bye. 

Welcome former Democrats. From President Trump on down, there are a ton of them in the administration already.

I do not see dominance by a single party as being healthy for the nation. I think it would be even more healthy if we could have more than two.

I think we need the real Democrat Party back, the non-radical and sane party. Our system, and we by extension, benefit from the conflict of ideas. Better ideas arise when we allow positions to be energetically challenged. The Democrats now refuse to allow competition of ideas.

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8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I do not see dominance by a single party as being healthy for the nation. I think it would be even more healthy if we could have more than two.

I think we need the real Democrat Party back, the non-radical and sane party. Our system, and we by extension, benefit from the conflict of ideas. Better ideas arise when we allow positions to be energetically challenged. The Democrats now refuse to allow competition of ideas.

Whatever comes of it, the democrats need to be tossed out with the trash. Even communism has better ideas than this current day liberal overrun of government. Current day liberals are flat out competing with the middle east for being historically embarrassing to mankind.

How about some of this:

The Whigs of the United States, in Convention assembled, firmly adhering to the great conservative principles by which they are controlled and governed, and now as ever relying upon the intelligence of the American people, with an abiding confidence in their capacity for self-government, and their devotion to the Constitution and the Union, do proclaim the following as the political sentiments and determination for the establishment and maintenance of which their national organization as a party was effected:

First: The Government of the United States is of a limited character, and it is confined to the exercise of powers expressly granted by the Constitution, and such as may be necessary and proper for carrying the granted powers into full execution, and that all powers not thus granted or necessarily implied are expressly reserved to the States respectively and to the people.

 

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39 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Whatever comes of it, the democrats need to be tossed out with the trash. Even communism has better ideas than this current day liberal overrun of government. Current day liberals are flat out competing with the middle east for being historically embarrassing to mankind.

How about some of this:

The Whigs of the United States, in Convention assembled, firmly adhering to the great conservative principles by which they are controlled and governed, and now as ever relying upon the intelligence of the American people, with an abiding confidence in their capacity for self-government, and their devotion to the Constitution and the Union, do proclaim the following as the political sentiments and determination for the establishment and maintenance of which their national organization as a party was effected:

First: The Government of the United States is of a limited character, and it is confined to the exercise of powers expressly granted by the Constitution, and such as may be necessary and proper for carrying the granted powers into full execution, and that all powers not thus granted or necessarily implied are expressly reserved to the States respectively and to the people.

 

I would discourage you from holding this position.  This is how liberals conduct themselves, through hate and cancellation.  Lets be better than that. 

I understand the feeling and desire to do it back to them, to make them suffer under their own behaviors, but to what end? I see us only losing.

Instead, lets be better, more common sense and more sanity. Lets grow the team by having those who are sane and normal make their way over.  We grow, we get stronger and in the end all those hateful people are relegated to smaller and smaller influence.

Lets rely on good people making good decisions and leaving liberalism of their own volition

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On 2/23/2025 at 9:50 AM, RLLD said:

I would discourage you from holding this position.  This is how liberals conduct themselves, through hate and cancellation.  Lets be better than that. 

I understand the feeling and desire to do it back to them, to make them suffer under their own behaviors, but to what end? I see us only losing.

Instead, lets be better, more common sense and more sanity. Lets grow the team by having those who are sane and normal make their way over.  We grow, we get stronger and in the end all those hateful people are relegated to smaller and smaller influence.

Lets rely on good people making good decisions and leaving liberalism of their own volition

"Tossed out with the trash" is a figurative statement. Their whole approach to governing is what I am referring to. Their political and social approach to how they want to impose their desires on others is appalling and needn't be tolerated. And this is apparently starting to occur. At least in this presidential cycle. Not accepting the ignorance of current day "liberal defined democracy" in this country is not making them suffer. They make themselves suffer simply because the normals are no longer buying what they are trying to sell and are speaking up about it. Liberals say that if you don't accept what they push on non liberals, then you are every bad name in the book. And they mean it. It's a dark force and the only way to prevent it from dominating in this country is to fight against it. Not just to be a nice guy and let it happen and saying we are better than that while you get run into the ground.