Packers submit proposal to ban "tush push"

[Red White and Blue 81]

26 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

When the 2023 season ended Love stated the biggest thing he needed to do was work on his footwork-something I agreed with 100%. He relies way too much on his arm strength and ability to make off-balance throws, even when he has a clean pocket.  I don't know if it was because the repeated leg issues, but there wasn't much improvement in his footwork this year. That was #1 what MLF said he needs to work on for next year. 

Until he becomes more consistent with that, he will always have a little too much inconsistency in his game. Times where he will go 19-1 TD/Int(2023) or throw 11 picks in 8 games like he did to start off last season. From what I've seen, the guy works hard, getting teammates together in the off-season, studying, etc. I have high expectations that he will improve on that going into next season. 

For the record I’m a fan. Love has every physical skill you’d want. He seems like someone who could scramble more than he does, and GB’s wideout room is massively overrated. Or they were, going into last season.

[edjr 6,579]

Jordan Love scored me $50 for high player week 2 and with 15 TDs in the 1st 3 weeks, I really though I had something.

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,970]

5 hours ago, League Champion said:

This .    And 31 other teams are allowed to do it as well. Haters are mad because their Twink QBs don't have the lower body strength to do it successfully. 

Stop crying and kiss the ring!!!  

Haters gonna' hate and cheaters gonna' cheat!

[Red White and Blue 81]

9 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Haters gonna' hate and cheaters gonna' cheat!

     

[Mike Honcho 5,235]

58 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

For the record I’m a fan. Love has every physical skill you’d want. He seems like someone who could scramble more than he does, and GB’s wideout room is massively overrated. Or they were, going into last season.

He scrambles well, but I think he toned that way down due to the multiple leg injuries last year. It was a real weapon in 2023.  

The WR room was overrated, led the league in dropped passes and that hurt Love.  Someone sent me a stat that had the WR's caught 90% of the accurate passes Love tossed, he jumps to 6th in completion pct. and 3rd in QB rating.  Kraft, Jacobs and Reed caught passes at or above NFL average, the rest were all below. 

Anyway good season for the Eagles, hope it's a short reign at the top though. 

[Red White and Blue 81]

28 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

He scrambles well, but I think he toned that way down due to the multiple leg injuries last year. It was a real weapon in 2023.  

The WR room was overrated, led the league in dropped passes and that hurt Love.  Someone sent me a stat that had the WR's caught 90% of the accurate passes Love tossed, he jumps to 6th in completion pct. and 3rd in QB rating.  Kraft, Jacobs and Reed caught passes at or above NFL average, the rest were all below. 

Anyway good season for the Eagles, hope it's a short reign at the top though. 

Cheers sir.  

[seafoam1 2,875]

19 hours ago, Red White and Blue said:

Irony.  

MDC got a timeout because you used the biich phone.  

What's ironic about you getting banned? 

[Red White and Blue 81]

7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What's ironic about you getting banned? 

The ironic part is you saying anyone else’s posting habits are useless, Mrs. Insufferable.  

[seafoam1 2,875]

6 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

The ironic part is you saying anyone else’s posting habits are useless, Mrs. Insufferable.  

Nope. That sounds more like something you've been posting over and over and over on this site since it was created. 

[HB Localboy 122]

How is this stupid topic up to Page 4?  

 

 

[Red White and Blue 81]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Nope. That sounds more like something you've been posting over and over and over on this site since it was created. 

Good one, Utoilet sdiik, Crapman, Peefoam, jbycho! 

[seafoam1 2,875]

1 minute ago, Red White and Blue said:

Good one, Utoilet sdiik, Crapman, Peefoam, jbycho! 

Call me all the names you like. You're the one who got bannorated. 

[Red White and Blue 81]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Call me all the names you like. You're the one who got bannorated. 

MDC got a TO cause you soiled your pants and reported him. Biich mode.   

[seafoam1 2,875]

1 minute ago, Red White and Blue said:

MDC got a TO cause you soiled your pants and reported him. Biich mode.   

And you are talking about yourself in the third person.  

I wish I was the one who reported youi, it would be that much better for me to enjoy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,157]

Oh look. MDC is having another slap fight. And it’s not even Christmas. 

[seafoam1 2,875]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh look. MDC is having another slap fight. And it’s not even Christmas. 

Even though he posts on Christmas, it's not enough for him to enjoy his day. He's been talking about it so often that he dares not post more than a couple times. His true Christmas day is the day after when he's up at 5am drooling at his computer. 

[MDC 7,231]

NFL decides to table Packers’ gay proposal until May.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44490292/sources-tush-push-ban-vote-tabled-nfl-owners
 

 

[Mike Honcho 5,235]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

NFL decides to table Packers’ gay proposal until May.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44490292/sources-tush-push-ban-vote-tabled-nfl-owners
 

 

Another tranny thread!   

[MDC 7,231]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

Another tranny thread!   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[listen2me 23 1,840]

19 hours ago, MDC said:

NFL decides to table Packers’ gay proposal until May.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44490292/sources-tush-push-ban-vote-tabled-nfl-owners
 

 

Ive heard 16 teams were generally in favor of it.  So they are not alone.  I understand the optics of it make it look like they are crybabys.  But the Tush Push was hardly a factor in plsyoff loss.  4-0 TO differential and down 16-10 in 4th.  Wasnt used that much that game.  

I dont want it out because "they are too good at it".  Its just a dumb play.  They should weed out Guards pushing/pulling RBs 8 yards into the endzone as well.  But then again its the NFL, they will still make money and people will watch if it turns into just a scrum rugby game.  So they dont really care.  

To switch subjects.  Now they are putting ball on 35 for a TB.  Could owners and reps who get together to discuss rules from all angles not forsee teams just booting thr ball through the endzone all season? 

"Kickoffs are dangerous" also "we need more returns"

Just put it at the focking 30 and play.   They seemingly cant get it right since it has to chanhe each and every season.  

[MDC 7,231]

4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Ive heard 16 teams were generally in favor of it.  So they are not alone.  I understand the optics of it make it look like they are crybabys.  But the Tush Push was hardly a factor in plsyoff loss.  4-0 TO differential and down 16-10 in 4th.  Wasnt used that much that game.  

I dont want it out because "they are too good at it".  It’s just a dumb play.  They should weed out Guards pushing/pulling RBs 8 yards into the endzone as well.  But then again it’s the NFL, they will still make money and people will watch if it turns into just a scrum rugby game.  So they dont really care.  

I like rugby so I have no issue with it. But if they’re going to ban it you’re right, they should ban anyone pushing the ball carrier forward. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,157]

FG kickers knocking them through from 50 plus regularly and now you start on the 35. Thrilling. 

[WhiteWonder 2,710]

I responded somewhere in this post so I'm sure I'm saying the same thing... the reason I don't like it and think it should be removed is not because a few teams like the eagles and bills excel at it.  For me I just don't understand how ball carriers can get stood up at the line and pushed back by a defender until the play is blown dead and they will be awarded forward progress rather than -3 yards.  Yet an offensive players is allowed to shove his teammate forward and get as many yards as possible. There should be some sort of reverse forward progress ..  but seriously, if you cant shove a player backwards and have them lose yards, why should you be allowed to shove a player forward and have them gain?

I know everything is skewed toward the offense but when you consider how silly the play is, I think they can do without it and the game is still catered plenty to the offense. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,970]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I responded somewhere in this post so I'm sure I'm saying the same thing... the reason I don't like it and think it should be removed is not because a few teams like the eagles and bills excel at it.  For me I just don't understand how ball carriers can get stood up at the line and pushed back by a defender until the play is blown dead and they will be awarded forward progress rather than -3 yards.  Yet an offensive players is allowed to shove his teammate forward and get as many yards as possible. There should be some sort of reverse forward progress ..  but seriously, if you cant shove a player backwards and have them lose yards, why should you be allowed to shove a player forward and have them gain?

I know everything is skewed toward the offense but when you consider how silly the play is, I think they can do without it and the game is still catered plenty to the offense. 

That's exactly the point and Eagles fans don't seem to want to address that disparity.  Seems like it's the "Well, it benefits my team when they game the system so I'm all for it" mentality.

I guarantee you Eagles fans would be against it if the Cowboys were the ones doing it instead of them.

[MDC 7,231]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I responded somewhere in this post so I'm sure I'm saying the same thing... the reason I don't like it and think it should be removed is not because a few teams like the eagles and bills excel at it.  For me I just don't understand how ball carriers can get stood up at the line and pushed back by a defender until the play is blown dead and they will be awarded forward progress rather than -3 yards.  Yet an offensive players is allowed to shove his teammate forward and get as many yards as possible. There should be some sort of reverse forward progress ..  but seriously, if you cant shove a player backwards and have them lose yards, why should you be allowed to shove a player forward and have them gain?

I know everything is skewed toward the offense but when you consider how silly the play is, I think they can do without it and the game is still catered plenty to the offense. 

I think a reasonable compromise would be to blow the play dead sooner. Part of the reason it’s so effective is that Hurts is sandwiched between the pusher and linemen and therefore upright. 

If they do ban it, that will cement the greatness of the Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles. So good they had to change the rule book to try to stop them.   

[MDC 7,231]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

That's exactly the point and Eagles fans don't seem to want to address that disparity.  Seems like it's the "Well, it benefits my team when they game the system so I'm all for it" mentality.

I guarantee you Eagles fans would be against it if the Cowboys were the ones doing it instead of them.

Nothing is stopping other teams from trying it, except not having a QB who deadlifts 600 pounds, the best OL in the game, and elite coaching.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,970]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Nothing is stopping other teams from trying it, except not having a QB who deadlifts 600 pounds, the best OL in the game, and elite coaching.  

The point is other teams don't try it because it is illegal, at worst, and gaming the system, at best. 

Like Sean McVay says, "That doesn't look like football to me".   Not only that, we don't allow the DEF to do any of that.

[MDC 7,231]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The point is other teams don't try it because it is illegal, at worst, and gaming the system, at best. 

Like Sean McVay says, "That doesn't look like football to me". 

  

[WhiteWonder 2,710]

14 minutes ago, MDC said:

I think a reasonable compromise would be to blow the play dead sooner. Part of the reason it’s so effective is that Hurts is sandwiched between the pusher and linemen and therefore upright. 

If they do ban it, that will cement the greatness of the Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles. So good they had to change the rule book to try to stop them.   

But my point is, very often we see a ball carrier get stood up and stay upright as they are pushed back and the play isn't blown dead immediately because if they think there is a chance for that offensive player to slip free and gain, they want to allow that....  and they don't lose yards on those plays. As an offensive player you only lose yards if you are actively running backwards to try and turn nothing into something or met behind the line of scrimmage, etc.   Otherwise, you always get awarded forward progress. 

I feel like a play should be blown dead as soon as a teammate actively pushes you forward. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,970]

20 minutes ago, MDC said:

  

You're missing the point:  we don't allow Defenses to do it, so we shouldn't allow the offense either.  Or, if we allow the offense to assist players then we should allow the DEF as well.

[MDC 7,231]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You're missing the point:  we don't allow Defenses to do it, so we shouldn't allow the offense either.  Or, if we allow the offense to assist players then we should allow the DEF as well.

You were saying something about other teams not using the Tush Push because it’s illegal or gaming the system? 

  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,970]

27 minutes ago, MDC said:

You were saying something about other teams not using the Tush Push because it’s illegal or gaming the system? 

  

Yeah, most teams don't do it. But that's beside the point

[MDC 7,231]

7 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yeah, most teams don't do it. But that's beside the point

I know of three that have at least tried it. Cheaters!  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,970]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

I know of three that have at least tried it. Cheaters!  

But again, you're missing the point. It doesn't matter if other teams have tried it once. That doesn't mean everyone is doing it all the time like the eagles are.

If we're going to allow offensive players to push or pull a player into the end zone then we should allow the defense to do the same for defensive purposes.

[seafoam1 2,875]

18 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

But again, you're missing the point. It doesn't matter if other teams have tried it once. That doesn't mean everyone is doing it all the time like the eagles are.

If we're going to allow offensive players to push or pull a player into the end zone then we should allow the defense to do the same for defensive purposes.

It's a completely unfair play to the defense. And I have no interest in it other than that. Other than maybe because from an entertainment perspective it's simply boring. 

 

[MDC 7,231]

21 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

But again, you're missing the point. It doesn't matter if other teams have tried it once. That doesn't mean everyone is doing it all the time like the eagles are.

If we're going to allow offensive players to push or pull a player into the end zone then we should allow the defense to do the same for defensive purposes.

I don’t necessarily agree or disagree. Just commenting on your claim that other teams don’t do it because it’s cheating. HTH

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,970]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

I don’t necessarily agree or disagree. Just commenting on your claim that other teams don’t do it because it’s cheating. HTH

Just to clarify, if a team tries it once, maybe twice, that - to me - is not the same thing as making it a regular play in the playbook like the Eagles have.  I guess I should have clarified that.

[Maximum Overkill 1,876]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Just to clarify, if a team tries it once, maybe twice, that - to me - is not the same thing as making it a regular play in the playbook like the Eagles have.  I guess I should have clarified that.

How is it an advantage if every team can do it? Because one team is better? I don't get the banning of it. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,970]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

How is it an advantage if every team can do it? Because one team is better? I don't get the banning of it. 

You ban it because you have other players asssisting and helping the runner move forward with the ball.  Otherwise you allow it but you allow the defense to do the same thing for defensive plays. 

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,876]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You ban it because you have other players asssisting and helping the runner move forward with the ball

So? Why is that a problem? Find a way to stop it or get players that can execute it better. It's just a situational play, it's not every play