Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 Just now, Ron_Artest said: You're not a vet. You're an idiot. And a piece of sh1t. You obviously hate Vets, saying they deserve this??? WTF is wrong with you? This is a great thing for Veteran care. You're a piece of shizz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted March 5 59 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Services will be reduced. 100%. You can argue that veterans should have austerity too if you want. All services will be reduces 100%. No more services everyone!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,223 Posted March 5 Healthcare is not the only thing the VA does. They have their own police department. That could use some cutting, guaranteed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, jbycho said: All services will be reduces 100%. No more services everyone!!! I love this for our Veterans. Now they can get the same care as any other person. VA doctors are usually bottom of the barrel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,172 Posted March 5 7 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: I love this for our Veterans. Now they can get the same care as any other person. VA doctors are usually bottom of the barrel. Seriously, how focking delusional ARE you? Pretend you know WTF you're talking about and explain to us how this will help veterans. Preferably without tranny memes. TIA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, Fnord said: Seriously, how focking delusional ARE you? Pretend you know WTF you're talking about and explain to us how this will help veterans. Preferably without tranny memes. TIA. Dumbass. As it stands right now Veterans HAVE TO USE THE VA FOR CRITICAL CARE. There are no other options. If you don't like your assigned doctor, then so what, deal with it. Dissolving the VA and letting Veterans choose where they want to go for treatment is a great win for Veterans. Why would you be against it? They'd still be covered under their current Military insurances. Nothing changes except better doctors and treatments for Veterans. More choices YOU HATE WOMEN AND VETERANS!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,791 Posted March 5 Dividen Regime added a lot of non-valued add DEI hires to VA. These will be eliminated which will create efficiencies across the board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said: Dividen Regime added a lot of non-valued add DEI hires to VA. These will be eliminated which will create efficiencies across the board. Indeed Amen Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
easilyscan 908 Posted March 5 1 hour ago, jonmx said: We are only 36 trillion in debt. Why not just keep that sucker growing exponentially. It will be 100 trillion before long. And then what? All this stupid talk of Trump taking your SS and Medicare. Speaking of SS & Medicare. I recently did an AI search regarding the unfunded liabilities for those 2 programs. https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME103QYE If you believe the results, & consider unfunded liabilities the same as debt, we're over 200 trillion right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,100 Posted March 5 56 minutes ago, Fnord said: Seriously, how focking delusional ARE you? Pretend you know WTF you're talking about and explain to us how this will help veterans. Preferably without tranny memes. TIA. Because then most will have to go on Medicaid...oh wait, Trump and Republicans want to cut that too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nomad99 720 Posted March 5 1 hour ago, BufordT said: I'm sure there's plenty of waste at the VA's around the country and I'm all for cleaning up the waste. BUT, can we agree this should not be done at the expense of our Veteran's? Waste IS Waste.......WASTE is NOT BENEFITTING Veterans. WASTE is BENEFITTING ONLY those it should not. It blows my mind that ANYONE can consider WASTE BENEFITTING. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,165 Posted March 5 5 minutes ago, squistion said: Because then most will have to go on Medacaid...oh wait, Trump and Republicans want to cut that too. Indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,912 Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Healthcare is not the only thing the VA does. They have their own police department. That could use some cutting, guaranteed. I don't think anyone is asking anything more than the cutting part. Not that I have seen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,912 Posted March 5 51 minutes ago, Fnord said: Seriously, how focking delusional ARE you? Pretend you know WTF you're talking about and explain to us how this will help veterans. Preferably without tranny memes. TIA. Check out this angry liberal. Trump really did a number on these guys yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 209 Posted March 5 43 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: Dumbass. As it stands right now Veterans HAVE TO USE THE VA FOR CRITICAL CARE. There are no other options. If you don't like your assigned doctor, then so what, deal with it. Dissolving the VA and letting Veterans choose where they want to go for treatment is a great win for Veterans. Why would you be against it? They'd still be covered under their current Military insurances. Nothing changes except better doctors and treatments for Veterans. More choices YOU HATE WOMEN AND VETERANS!!!!! You are so full of shite. Veterans are allowed to change their primary physician with the VA. Do you not know these things are easily looked up? They are also allowed to have more than 1 form of health insurance. GTFOH 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,172 Posted March 5 50 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: Dumbass. As it stands right now Veterans HAVE TO USE THE VA FOR CRITICAL CARE. There are no other options. If you don't like your assigned doctor, then so what, deal with it. Dissolving the VA and letting Veterans choose where they want to go for treatment is a great win for Veterans. Why would you be against it? They'd still be covered under their current Military insurances. Nothing changes except better doctors and treatments for Veterans. More choices YOU HATE WOMEN AND VETERANS!!!!! After discharge, 50%+ of veterans end up on SS/ disability of some kind. The military creates people that in many cases are highly physically and mentally damaged. You assert that instead of maintaining the already existing structure, where the vets get free care for the afflictions that they suffered exclusively because they enlisted, we should tear that down so vets can find their own providers. How do they pay for that, exactly? When they already collect disability and in many cases are un- or under employed due to their limitations, you want them to go get private insurance that often cost more than a mortgage payment WITH high deductibles? Expand Medicare/Medicaid? Create a NEW bureaucracy that you can bltch endlessly about? Seems like more WASTE AND FRAUD waiting to happen. And all this so asshats like Trump and Tony can get some tax breaks? GFY. If you are not a Russian bot, you're missing out on a good revenue stream, because you parrot russkie talking points every day, in every thread. You DGAF about anything but pissing off libs, that much is clear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 209 Posted March 5 Just now, Fnord said: After discharge, 50%+ of veterans end up on SS/ disability of some kind. The military creates people that in many cases are highly physically and mentally damaged. You assert that instead of maintaining the already existing structure, where the vets get free care for the afflictions that they suffered exclusively because they enlisted, we should tear that down so vets can find their own providers. How do they pay for that, exactly? When they already collect disability and in many cases are un- or under employed due to their limitations, you want them to go get private insurance that in many cases is more than a mortgage payment WITH high deductibles? Expand Medicare/Medicaid? Create a NEW bureaucracy that you can bltch endlessly about? Seems like more WASTE AND FRAUD waiting to happen. And all this so asshats like Trump and Tony can get some tax breaks? GFY. If you are not a Russian bot, you're missing out on a good revenue stream, because you parrot russkie talking points every day, in every thread. You DGAF about anything but pissing off libs, that much is clear. If they are on disability wouldn’t they already eligible for Medicare? Am I missing something here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 Just now, Fnord said: You assert that instead of maintaining the already existing structure, where the vets get free care for the afflictions that they suffered exclusively because they enlisted, we should tear that down so vets can find their own providers. They would still get free care, nothing would change. WTF don't you understand??? They'll be able to choose their own specialists, doctors and aftercare. It's just getting privatized. It's a wonderful thing. Its gotten so bad that I won't even go to the VA anymore. The wait times and lack of personal care is terrible. Ask any vet and they'll agree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,172 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, The Girlfriend said: If they are on disability wouldn’t they already eligible for Medicare? Am I missing something here? In many cases yes, but not always. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 209 Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Fnord said: In many cases yes, but not always. If they qualify for social Security disability benefits, then yes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,172 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said: They would still get free care, nothing would change. WTF don't you understand??? They'll be able to choose their own specialists, doctors and aftercare. It's just getting privatized. It's a wonderful thing. Its gotten so bad that I won't even go to the VA anymore. The wait times and lack of personal care is terrible. Ask any vet and they'll agree. Privatization? JFC. Sure, why not? I mean when have insurance companies and large corporations ever failed to do the right or humane thing? Saints, all of 'em! Yes, let's definitely privatize it so it becomes even harder for them to pay their medical bills. I don't think you understand the realities of insurance and healthcare. Most hospitals also feature impersonal care and long wait times. Been to an ER lately? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,172 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, The Girlfriend said: If they qualify for social Security disability benefits, then yes? I believe so. I am not aware of the stipulations, I only know what my FIL went through after a series of strokes. The VA saved his life and the family home. He would have been bankrupt after 4+ months of inpatient rehab. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Fnord said: Been to an ER lately? Been to the VA lately? It's a shizz show!!! Ask any Vet!!! Why do you hate Veterans??? You're disgusting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,172 Posted March 5 Just now, Maximum Overkill said: Been to the VA lately? It's a shizz show!!! Ask any Vet!!! Why do you hate Veterans??? You're disgusting Aw, and here I thought you might be up for a real convo, but of course not. You can't defend your dipshit opinions, so you get pissy, call someone names, lie about them and their character. Rinse, repeat. Fuc off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Fnord said: Aw, and here I thought you might be up for a real convo, but of course not. You can't defend your dipshit opinions, so you get pissy, call someone names, lie about them and their character. Rinse, repeat. Fuc off. I can't have a convo with someone who has never been to the VA. You have no idea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLCKAA 565 Posted March 5 Who knows this is necessarily a bad thing? The VA has 482,000 employees. Do people really believe there is no bloat there? There couldn’t possibly be low hanging fruit? I have a close relative who works at a massive federal office. She has told me countless stories about people sleeping at their desks, secret nap rooms, 3 hour lunches, people operating their own little side businesses from their gov’t desks, etc. I’m not concerned at all about federal workforces being reduced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,172 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said: I can't have a convo with someone who has never been to the VA. You have no idea Surrender accepted. Go start another tranny thread and mention me in it so you don't have to face the reality that you're just a stupid troll unable to defend your insipid opinions. Oh wow, you're fast! You already did it! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 Just now, Fnord said: Go start another tranny thread and mention me in it You can't say Tranny without mentioning @Fnord Hey, if that's what you're into, good luck. You're probably angry because Trump took away your funding, your half transitioned Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,172 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, MLCKAA said: Who knows this is necessarily a bad thing? The VA has 482,000 employees. Do people really believe there is no bloat there? There couldn’t possibly be low hanging fruit? I have a close relative who works at a massive federal office. She has told me countless stories about people sleeping at their desks, secret nap rooms, 3 hour lunches, people operating their own little side businesses from their gov’t desks, etc. I’m not concerned at all about federal workforces being reduced. Valid points. No doubt the VA has plenty of waste that can be identified and trimmed. What are the odds that these cuts were scrutinized and carefully considered, given that those who have paid terrible costs to defend this country are reliant on the services provided? I'd put them at roughly 0. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 2 minutes ago, Fnord said: What are the odds that these cuts were scrutinized and carefully considered, given that those who have paid terrible costs to defend this country are reliant on the services provided? I'd put them at roughly 0. Link? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,585 Posted March 5 The common viewpoint seems to be: 1. If there’s waste, get rid of it. 2. Don’t cut spending that will actually hurt our veterans or make things more difficult for them. I don’t think there’s a person here that disagrees with either of these two points; at least I hope not. My problem with DOGE thus far is that it’s too speedy and not careful. I think that inevitably leads to the 2nd point without doing much about the first. If you’re going to make cuts, you should first carefully examine the current state of affairs and decide where the waste is. That process could take some time but it’s worth it IMO. DOGE isn’t do this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jbycho 754 Posted March 5 Just now, The Real timschochet said: The common viewpoint seems to be: 1. If there’s waste, get rid of it. 2. Don’t cut spending that will actually hurt our veterans or make things more difficult for them. I don’t think there’s a person here that disagrees with either of these two points; at least I hope not. Woohoo!! Go Trump!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,585 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said: Link? Again, it’s the speed of the cuts. You can’t tell me that they carefully examined which jobs were vital and which weren’t. They didn’t have the time. And in any case they’re not even claiming this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,891 Posted March 5 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: The common viewpoint seems to be: 1. If there’s waste, get rid of it. 2. Don’t cut spending that will actually hurt our veterans or make things more difficult for them. And this won't hurt Veterans. More access to better care is a good thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 226 Posted March 5 Federal employees(notice I didn't say workers) reduced? Yes, yes, and yes. if Biden would have done it I would have cheered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Girlfriend 209 Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: The common viewpoint seems to be: 1. If there’s waste, get rid of it. 2. Don’t cut spending that will actually hurt our veterans or make things more difficult for them. I don’t think there’s a person here that disagrees with either of these two points; at least I hope not. My problem with DOGE thus far is that it’s too speedy and not careful. I think that inevitably leads to the 2nd point without doing much about the first. If you’re going to make cuts, you should first carefully examine the current state of affairs and decide where the waste is. That process could take some time but it’s worth it IMO. DOGE isn’t do this. Because the whole premise of finding fraud and waste is a scam. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,223 Posted March 5 I wonder how many of these affected employees work in DC? Probably stacked on top of each other in some office buildings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,585 Posted March 5 3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: And this won't hurt Veterans. More access to better care is a good thing You don’t know this. And I would say it’s unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,223 Posted March 5 The layoffs aren’t starting until August. Plenty of time to identify the non essentials. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tree of Knowledge 1,791 Posted March 6 3 hours ago, squistion said: Because then most will have to go on Medicaid...oh wait, Trump and Republicans want to cut that too. This simply isn’t true. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
