Trump defies the courts, Sends migrants to El Sal Prison

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

I just listened to a taped interview with Anton Scalia from over 10 years ago; he was asked specifically if undocumented aliens in this country had Constitutional rights. His answer, unequivocally, was “yes.” 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

23 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I just listened to a taped interview with Anton Scalia from over 10 years ago; he was asked specifically if undocumented aliens in this country had Constitutional rights. His answer, unequivocally, was “yes.” 

It's amazing how far the right has gone so quickly.

Did you read what the Reagan appointed judge said yesterday?

For those that don't know, trump appealed the ruling that he return Garcia and was blocked, again.

The government “claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done. This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.”

True conservatism.

 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

Justice Roberts your move...

[HellToupee 1,779]

2 hours ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Justice Roberts your move...

@squistion

 

[Reality 3,121]

Jesus, you focking idiots on the left sure can pick them... 

[jerryskids 6,799]

On 4/18/2025 at 3:31 AM, TimHauck said:

His wife who is an American citizen wants him

Victims of domestic abuse often feel this way.

[MDC 7,431]

23 hours ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Justice Roberts your move...

Embarrassing 

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

47 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Victims of domestic abuse often feel this way.

Yeah I’m beginning to be of the opinion that this Abrego character is not such a good guy. At the very least he is not the saint that some on the left are trying to paint him to be. I don’t know for sure; like you I’m only going on what is reported. 
 

But it doesn’t matter. I want him returned because he didn’t receive due process. It’s pretty simple. 

[Horseman 2,458]

Once you take out the trash it stays in the landfill. 

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

Just now, Horseman said:

Once you take out the trash it stays in the landfill. 

I couldn’t say, I’m not familiar with your family. 

[squistion 2,203]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah I’m beginning to be of the opinion that this Abrego character is not such a good guy. At the very least he is not the saint that some on the left are trying to paint him to be. I don’t know for sure; like you I’m only going on what is reported. 
 

But it doesn’t matter. I want him returned because he didn’t receive due process. It’s pretty simple. 

No it doesn't

His character (or anyone else's) is irrelevant to whether or not they should be accorded due process as required by the Constitution.

[CaptainObvious1 368]

45 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I couldn’t say, I’m not familiar with your family. 

Aren't you the guy that reports people for posting about your wife?  But it's okay for you to bust on someone else's family?   You're a fat piece of trash.

[CaptainObvious1 368]

53 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah I’m beginning to be of the opinion that this Abrego character is not such a good guy. At the very least he is not the saint that some on the left are trying to paint him to be. I don’t know for sure; like you I’m only going on what is reported. 
 

But it doesn’t matter. I want him returned because he didn’t receive due process. It’s pretty simple. 

No one gives a fock what you want.

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

2 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Aren't you the guy that reports people for posting about your wife?  But it's okay for you to bust on someone else's family?   You're a fat piece of trash.

I have never reported anyone for posting about my wife. Only for posting personal information. @Horseman is somebody who spends a lot of time trashing other people and their families. Much like yourself. I think he can take it. 

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

4 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

No one gives a fock what you want.

Except for you. You spend a lot of time replying to my posts so I can only gather that what I think must mean a lot to you. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah I’m beginning to be of the opinion that this Abrego character is not such a good guy. At the very least he is not the saint that some on the left are trying to paint him to be. I don’t know for sure; like you I’m only going on what is reported. 
 

But it doesn’t matter. I want him returned because he didn’t receive due process. It’s pretty simple. 

I agree, but to be clear, the "due process" is that he had a legal stay of deportation to El Salvador.  Earlier courts had accepted his affiliation with MS-13, so I'm good with that.

Which reminds me:  a gang member can get a stay of deportation because they fear another gang?  Isn't that, like, what you sign up for when you join a gang?  Seems like weak sauce; any gang member can make that claim.   

[The Real timschochet 6,770]

39 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I agree, but to be clear, the "due process" is that he had a legal stay of deportation to El Salvador.  Earlier courts had accepted his affiliation with MS-13, so I'm good with that.

Which reminds me:  a gang member can get a stay of deportation because they fear another gang?  Isn't that, like, what you sign up for when you join a gang?  Seems like weak sauce; any gang member can make that claim.   

It’s disputed whether or not he’s a gang member. Like you I think he probably is but it’s not proven, and there’s at least plausible evidence to think otherwise. 
 

I don’t know what the rules should be for political asylum. It’s worth having a reasonable discussion about. I’m not particularly sympathetic to this particular guy’s case based on what has been reported. But he deserves to make his case. 
 

I’m much more sympathetic to the plight of Afghan refugees who assisted our military, in part because I’m personally involved. And I am extremely angry at the Trump administration for shutting down their passage here. In my mind it’s the most awful thing they have done and I’ve yet to hear any kind of defense for it. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

59 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I agree, but to be clear, the "due process" is that he had a legal stay of deportation to El Salvador.  Earlier courts had accepted his affiliation with MS-13, so I'm good with that.

Which reminds me:  a gang member can get a stay of deportation because they fear another gang?  Isn't that, like, what you sign up for when you join a gang?  Seems like weak sauce; any gang member can make that claim.   

He didn't make the rival gang claim.  He has always denied he's in a gang and the evidence has been weak.  The judge gave the order to stay based on the fact that barrio 18 extorted his mother and was going to initiate him but he fled to America.

[TimHauck 2,877]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Victims of domestic abuse often feel this way.

And so do wives of devoted husbands.  We don’t really know which he is.

[TimHauck 2,877]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I agree, but to be clear, the "due process" is that he had a legal stay of deportation to El Salvador.  Earlier courts had accepted his affiliation with MS-13, so I'm good with that.

Court, not courts 

[TimHauck 2,877]

1 hour ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

No one gives a fock what you want.

The Supreme Court wants him returned too

[TimHauck 2,877]

Reminder: our current Secretary of defense has been accused of worse crimes than Abrego Garcia

[The Psychic Observer 498]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Reminder: our current Secretary of defense has been accused of worse crimes than Abrego Garcia

Our current president has a worse record than Garcia.

[Horseman 2,458]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I have never reported anyone for posting about my wife. Only for posting personal information.

Liar

[jerryskids 6,799]

15 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

He didn't make the rival gang claim.  He has always denied he's in a gang and the evidence has been weak.  The judge gave the order to stay based on the fact that barrio 18 extorted his mother and was going to initiate him but he fled to America.

Of course he denies it.  And George Floyd couldn't breathe from the moment the police arrived.

But you bring up a good point that I haven't seen discussed:  adding to his model citizen resume, when his mother was threatened, he ran away to another country.   

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Court, not courts 

I had heard that an appellate court upheld it, but I could be wrong.

Regardless, it's funny how you centrists dismiss this ruling(s), but you consider the questionable stay of deportation as gospel.   

[The Psychic Observer 498]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Of course he denies it.  And George Floyd couldn't breathe from the moment the police arrived.

But you bring up a good point that I haven't seen discussed:  adding to his model citizen resume, when his mother was threatened, he ran away to another country.   

I had heard that an appellate court upheld it, but I could be wrong.

Regardless, it's funny how you centrists dismiss this ruling(s), but you consider the questionable stay of deportation as gospel.   

No one is saying he's a model citizen.  It doesn't matter.  The laws protect everyone, even turds.

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

No one is saying he's a model citizen.  It doesn't matter.  The laws protect everyone, even turds.

I've already said I think we should bring him back

26 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And so do wives of devoted husbands.  We don’t really know which he is.

I guess #metoo was so 2024.   

[TimHauck 2,877]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

I had heard that an appellate court upheld it, but I could be wrong.

Regardless, it's funny how you centrists dismiss this ruling(s), but you consider the questionable stay of deportation as gospel.   

Stephen Miller and others have said it (so of course all the sheep repeated it without actually researching it), but it is a lie at worst, at best a gross misrepresentation.

The original “ruling” was only to determine whether he could get bond.  It didn’t “rule” that he was in MS-13, it just said that the accusation he was “appeared trustworthy” so he was denied bond.  Then all the appeals court said was that he didn’t do a good enough job “proving he wasn’t a danger.”

[TimHauck 2,877]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

I guess #metoo was so 2024.   

Believe all women! Send Hegseth to CECOT too amiright?

[squistion 2,203]

10 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

No one is saying he's a model citizen.  It doesn't matter.  The laws protect everyone, even turds.

It doesn't and it is completely irrelevant. The Founding Fathers did not want the government to pick and choose who they grant due process to (and you would think that everyone would want it that way).

[CaptainObvious1 368]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I have never reported anyone for posting about my wife. Only for posting personal information. @Horseman is somebody who spends a lot of time trashing other people and their families. Much like yourself. I think he can take it. 

Liar.  You've thrown tantrums before when people brought up your drunk wife driving kids to school.

[CaptainObvious1 368]

14 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

No one is saying he's a model citizen.  It doesn't matter.  The laws protect everyone, even turds.

He's not even a citizen!

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

Just now, squistion said:

It doesn't and it is completely irrelevant. The Founding Fathers did not want the government to pick and choose who they grant due process to (and you would think that everyone would want it that way).

Due process is different for citizens vs noncitizens 

[iam90sbaby 2,611]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

It doesn't and it is completely irrelevant. The Founding Fathers did not want the government to pick and choose who they grant due process to (and you would think that everyone would want it that way).

The founding fathers would’ve thought you were a phaggot and beat you, just saying 

[Strike 5,553]

57 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s disputed whether or not he’s a gang member. Like you I think he probably is but it’s not proven, and there’s at least plausible evidence to think otherwise. 
 

I don’t know what the rules should be for political asylum. It’s worth having a reasonable discussion about. I’m not particularly sympathetic to this particular guy’s case based on what has been reported. But he deserves to make his case. 
 

I’m much more sympathetic to the plight of Afghan refugees who assisted our military, in part because I’m personally involved. And I am extremely angry at the Trump administration for shutting down their passage here. In my mind it’s the most awful thing they have done and I’ve yet to hear any kind of defense for it. 

It's not legally disputed.  TWO courts ruled he was. 

[TimHauck 2,877]

Just now, Strike said:

It's not legally disputed.  TWO courts ruled he was. 

False. 

[TimHauck 2,877]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

It's not legally disputed.  TWO courts ruled he was. 

At best, one.  More like zero though 

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The original “ruling” was only to determine whether he could get bond.  It didn’t “rule” that he was in MS-13, it just said that the accusation he was “appeared trustworthy” so he was denied bond.  Then all the appeals court said was that he didn’t do a good enough job “proving he wasn’t a danger.”

 

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

At best, one.  More like zero though 

 

Two judges heard evidence that you haven't heard, and determined that it was likely that he is MS-13.

Regardless, it's not necessary to prove it in a court of law to deport him.

I don't know why you Centrists keep taking the 20 side of 80/20 things.  You should concede that he is a sh1tbag, and focus on the fact that our courts had issues a legal stay, and we follow the law, even for sh1tbags.  Like Gutter earlier.  That's a much stronger position. 

 

[jerryskids 6,799]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Believe all women! Send Hegseth to CECOT too amiright?

Hegseth is not an illegal alien with an order of protection against him.  HTH

[TimHauck 2,877]

Just now, jerryskids said:

Two judges heard evidence that you haven't heard, and determined that it was likely that he is MS-13.

Regardless, it's not necessary to prove it in a court of law to deport him.

I don't know why you Centrists keep taking the 20 side of 80/20 things.  You should concede that he is a sh1tbag, and focus on the fact that our courts had issues a legal stay, and we follow the law, even for sh1tbags.  Like Gutter earlier.  That's a much stronger position. 

 

Your back must hurt from the goalposts you just moved.   I’ve never said he shouldn’t be deported (because he entered the country illegally).  But the evidence of him being a gang member is flimsy at best, and I think people like JD Vance definitively stating that he is is wrong.

Again, at best, one judge did that.   All the current evidence suggests that the judges saw the same evidence we did, a report filed by a dirty cop based primarily on a claim from a criminal informant and pieces of clothing.

Also, the “80” side of this is the one that respects the Supreme Court.  There are even plenty of Republicans on that side as well. IIRC, didn’t even you say we should ask for him back?