Kilmar Abrego Garcia & Trump El Salvador deportations thread.

[TimHauck 2,700]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have other questions.......

Such as?

[squistion 2,085]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Also can we talk about the ridiculous comments from the El Salvador president?  “How am I supposed to smuggle him to the US?!?!?!”

Uh, he’s in your prison (so we think).  Just put him on a plane.

Do we even know if he’s alive?

U.S. officials on Saturday said that Abrego Garcia is "alive and secure" but who really knows (and I don't trust the source). 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,299]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

You can ask.  And considering we’re paying them, there’s not really any reason that they’d say no, unless they plan on releasing him.

Nope. He’s here illegally 

[TimHauck 2,700]

14 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Nope. He’s here illegally 

Nope what?  We can ask anything we want, especially since we’re paying them.  They can say no, but then they should have an actual reason to keep him there.  Is entering the US illegally a crime in El Salvador?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,176]

Send him a plane ticket. Good luck with the passport.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,299]

53 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Nope what?  We can ask anything we want, especially since we’re paying them.  They can say no, but then they should have an actual reason to keep him there.  Is entering the US illegally a crime in El Salvador?

I’m saying no. Don’t ask for him back he’s an illegal 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,176]

Trump approval at 54 pct.  

[TimHauck 2,700]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I’m saying no. Don’t ask for him back he’s an illegal 

Supreme Court said they had to

[Fnord 2,150]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Trump approval at 54 pct.  

From who? Hitler youth?

[jbycho 752]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

From who? Hitler youth?

Normal people. So not you. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,176]

8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

From who? Hitler youth?

Real clear. Sorry Mary. The country has moved on. 

[Strike 5,360]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Supreme Court said they had to

No it didn't  

[TimHauck 2,700]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

No it didn't  

Are you arguing semantics about the word “facilitate”?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,299]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Supreme Court said they had to

So what. Biden didn’t listen to the Supreme Court.  I don’t see why we would need to ask for an illegal to be returned to the country.  The law says if you’re here illegally you get deported as punishment. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

15 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

So what. Biden didn’t listen to the Supreme Court.

Bullshït 

[Strike 5,360]

49 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Are you arguing semantics about the word “facilitate”?

No.   There is NOTHING in the order that says to return him to the U.S.

[seafoam1 2,882]

1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Bullshït 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,299]

14 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

Bullshït 

Biden ignored the Supreme Court on student loans. Fock off and learn something 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Biden ignored the Supreme Court on student loans. Fock off and learn something 

No he didn't.  Stop repeating Russian propaganda.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,299]

6 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said:

No he didn't.  Stop repeating Russian propaganda.

Russian holy fock your dense. Dementia boy gave student loans forgiveness. After the Supreme Court ruled he couldn’t 

https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/06/supreme-court-strikes-down-biden-student-loan-forgiveness-program/

I’m sure that’s just some Russian site. Fockhead. You should enjoy El Salvador with squidward 

[TimHauck 2,700]

21 minutes ago, Strike said:

No.   There is NOTHING in the order that says to return him to the U.S.

They said they need clarification on the term “effectuate,” but that the order to “facilitate his return” remains in effect.  Bolding mine:

On Friday, April 4, the United States District Court for the District of Maryland entered an order directing the Government to “facilitate and effectuate the return of [Abrego Garcia] to the United States by no later than 11:59 PM on Monday, April 7.” On the morning of April 7, the United States filed this application to vacate the District Court’s order.  The Chief Justiceentered an administrative stay  and subsequently referred the application to the Court.

 The application is granted in part and denied in part, subject to the direction of this order. Due to the administrative stay issued by The Chief Justice, the deadline imposed by the District Court has now passed. To that extent, the Government’s emergency application is effectively granted in part and the deadline in the challenged order is no longer effective. The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority.

[The Psychic Observer 498]

5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Russian holy fock your dense. Dementia boy gave student loans forgiveness. After the Supreme Court ruled he couldn’t 

https://www.scotusblog.com/2023/06/supreme-court-strikes-down-biden-student-loan-forgiveness-program/

I’m sure that’s just some Russian site. Fockhead. You should enjoy El Salvador with squidward 

SCOTUS ruled that he couldn't use the HEROES act to forgive student loans, agreed.

Do you have any evidence that he did use the HEROES act to forgive student loans?

[Strike 5,360]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

They said they need clarification on the term “effectuate,” but that the order to “facilitate his return” remains in effect.  Bolding mine:

On Friday, April 4, the United States District Court for the District of Maryland entered an order directing the Government to “facilitate and effectuate the return of [Abrego Garcia] to the United States by no later than 11:59 PM on Monday, April 7.” On the morning of April 7, the United States filed this application to vacate the District Court’s order.  The Chief Justiceentered an administrative stay  and subsequently referred the application to the Court.

 The application is granted in part and denied in part, subject to the direction of this order. Due to the administrative stay issued by The Chief Justice, the deadline imposed by the District Court has now passed. To that extent, the Government’s emergency application is effectively granted in part and the deadline in the challenged order is no longer effective. The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority.

ROFLMAO.  Your own post proves my point.  There is NOTHING in the SC ruling that says they need to return him to the U.S..   Holy fock.

[TimHauck 2,700]

Just now, Strike said:

ROFLMAO.  Your own post proves my point.  There is NOTHING in the SC ruling that says they need to return him to the U.S..   Holy fock.

Yes it does dummy.  The district court ruled they must “facilitate and effectuate his return.”  The order to facilitate his return remains in effect.

Now please admit you were wrong.

[Strike 5,360]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Yes it does dummy.  The district court ruled they must “facilitate and effectuate his return.”  The order to facilitate his return remains in effect.

Now please admit you were wrong.

Except I wasn't.  You're a really sad individual.  Good luck with your "gotcha" hunting though. 

[TimHauck 2,700]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Except I wasn't.  You're a really sad individual.  Good luck with your "gotcha" hunting though. 

I’m sorry you can’t read 

[jbycho 752]

Jeez. TimHauck guy is getting his ass kicked. 

Freaking hilarious.

[TimHauck 2,700]

Just now, jbycho said:

Jeez. TimHauck guy is getting his ass kicked. 

Freaking hilarious.

I’m sorry you can’t read either 

[jbycho 752]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’m sorry you can’t read either 

You are so dumb. 

[TimHauck 2,700]

Cop that filed original report alleging this guy was MS-13 was indicted and pled guilty to “providing information to a commercial sex worker he was paying in exchange for sex acts.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/194010/kilmar-abrego-garcia-case-trump-deported-error-another-hit

[Engorgeous George 2,251]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Yes it does dummy.  The district court ruled they must “facilitate and effectuate his return.”  The order to facilitate his return remains in effect.

Now please admit you were wrong.

To facilitate seems different than to accomplish, complete or effectuate.  I know of no case interpreting the word "facilitate" as used by the Court, in this context.  I do know that to facilitate a crime mean to remove barriers to it be carried out.  I do know that one can facilitate an as yet and perhaps never completed act.  

[TimHauck 2,700]

5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

To facilitate seems different than to accomplish, complete or effectuate.  I know of no case interpreting the word "facilitate" as used by the Court, in this context.  I do know that to facilitate a crime mean to remove barriers to it be carried out.  I do know that one can facilitate an as yet and perhaps never completed act.  

Correct.  This part of the conversation started when I said they (the US government) needed to at least ask.

[Engorgeous George 2,251]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Correct.  This part of the conversation started when I said they (the US government) needed to at least ask.

To my mind asking would fulfill facilitating if coupled withpayment of costs and arranging transportation.  I am unclear whether asking is required by the term facilitate.  perhpas an offer of costs and transportation alone would be sufficient.  I don't know.  frankly I don't think anybody currently knows.  I think the Courts will have to clarify matterds. likely after a new round of orders and appeals.  

[TimHauck 2,700]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

To my mind asking would fulfill facilitating if coupled withpayment of costs and arranging transportation.  I am unclear whether asking is required by the term facilitate.  perhpas an offer of costs and transportation alone would be sufficient.  I don't know.  frankly I don't think anybody currently knows.  I think the Courts will have to clarify matterds. likely after a new round of orders and appeals.  

IANAL like you but I don’t know how they could argue they attempted to “facilitate” anything if they didn’t ask. I have not seen evidence that they actually have (it was a media member that did in the clip of Stephen Miller being a racist liar).

But it’s looking like if El Salvador does send him back then we’ll just send him somewhere else.

[seafoam1 2,882]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

IANAL like you but I don’t know how they could argue they attempted to “facilitate” anything if they didn’t ask. I have not seen evidence that they actually have (it was a media member that did in the clip of Stephen Miller being a racist liar).

But it’s looking like if El Salvador does send him back then we’ll just send him somewhere else.

Just kill the gang mother focker. Easy peasy. Problem solved. 

[TimHauck 2,700]

5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Just kill the gang mother focker. Easy peasy. Problem solved. 

I’d like to confirm he’s actually in a gang first, which apparently is based on the word of a guy who gave case information to prostitutes

[TimHauck 2,700]

@Engorgeous George, do you think Garcia’a family could have a defamation case against people like JD Vance stating definitively he is a gang member, or Stephen Miller saying “I promise you if he was your neighbor you’d move right away”?

[seafoam1 2,882]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’d like to confirm he’s actually in a gang first

He's an illegal. He gets no leeway. 

 

[Voltaire 5,279]

The guy is an El Salvadoran in El Salvador. That's quite convenient isn't it? Double check his claims and if he's not actually a gang member, let him walk out of the prison. If he were a different nationality, a Honduran (for example), a bus ticket to Honduras would be appropriate.

This 'return to the US' stuff is whack.

[Mark Davis 377]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

But it’s looking like if El Salvador does send him back then we’ll just send him somewhere else.

I believe this is correct and am starting to believe it's more likely than I'd have thought a day ago that ends up being the result.