Musk's exit from the Magaverse

[The Real timschochet 6,407]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

DOGE is less than 100 days old; isn't it a little early to say it didn't do "near the good?"  I mean, they probably didn't anticipate finding out that the government retirement process works with paper files in a mine in PA.   

Near the good? I’ve yet to hear that it’s done ANY good at all. Seems almost wholly negative so far from what I’ve read. 

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

DOGE is less than 100 days old; isn't it a little early to say it didn't do "near the good?"  I mean, they probably didn't anticipate finding out that the government retirement process works with paper files in a mine in PA.   

Can I say "looks currently as if it is on pace to not do near the good it was promised it would do overall?"

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

20 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

DOGE is less than 100 days old; isn't it a little early to say it didn't do "near the good?"  I mean, they probably didn't anticipate finding out that the government retirement process works with paper files in a mine in PA.   

You think DOGE cracked some sort of secret Govt paper mine?

 

 

[jerryskids 6,558]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You think DOGE cracked some sort of secret Govt paper mine?

 

 

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BOYERS, Pa. — As you ride in a golf cart into the mouth of the Iron Mountain limestone mine, the temperature change is immediately noticeable. The natural climate control provided by the rough-hewn stone walls of the decommissioned mine — a day’s drive from the nation's capital and about an hour outside Pittsburgh — helped make it an ideal site for the federal government to process and store retirement records beginning in 1960. 

Sixty-five years later, when so much is now done online, this mine is largely still how the Office of Personnel Management manages the documents of the 100,000 or so retirements from federal service each year.

Processing a retirement can take months, with a single missing signature sometimes setting the task back days or weeks. 

“It is still done on paper,” said Alita Haniwalt, an OPM program manager in retirement claims. “I think it becomes overwhelming because there are no two retirements that are the same.”

Over the years, the warehouse-like OPM space inside the mine — which is 220 feet underground — has accumulated more than 400 million individual records, spread across 26,000 file cabinets, in some places stacked 10 high. Cardboard boxes and paper files in manila envelopes seem to sprout from shelves and pile up on tables as they’re shuttled from station to station. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/mine-federal-government-retirement-records-doge-rcna200101

[thegeneral 2,894]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/mine-federal-government-retirement-records-doge-rcna200101

What changes were made in this process?

[jerryskids 6,558]

4 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

This was an odd attack

Doge has been a failure by most measures.  Don't know if you've been following a long, estimates are all over, but with all the fûck ups doge was at best a wash.

By many accounts he did steal data. I believe he did.  Never said I was smarter than him.

Oh, I'm shocked you believe that a guy worth well into nine figures stole your data.  That's what the MSDNC told you, anyway. Chew another blue pill.

What's he going to do with it?  Sell you a Tesla?  A Starlink subscription?  Maybe he'll sell it on the Oligarchy black market?  

[jerryskids 6,558]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

What changes were made in this process?

I don't know, but I do know that we are less than 100 days into it.  And by your implication, if they haven't completely turned the ocean liner that is the government in this time, it is a failure!

A bunch of systems experts here.    They should have completely automated this system by now!

How is that Biden cancer cure coming?

[jerryskids 6,558]

The Left:  DOGE is moving too fast!  They're breaking important stuff!

Also the Left:  DOGE isn't moving fast enough!  They haven't fixed everything in 90 days!

[Hardcore troubadour 14,925]

I know a lot of conservatives like Jerry get weary from the day to day unnecessary extra from Trump, and I don’t blame them. But if you listen to Stephen Millers presser today where he lays it out, you realize how much better of the American people are. Couple that with Kamala speaking last night and you know you made the right choice, as aggravating as it can be at times. 

[thegeneral 2,894]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't know, but I do know that we are less than 100 days into it.  And by your implication, if they haven't completely turned the ocean liner that is the government in this time, it is a failure!

A bunch of systems experts here.    They should have completely automated this system by now!

How is that Biden cancer cure coming?

I didn’t really comment on this other than to say I’m sure there was some waste. Elon found about 10% of what he said he would find easily (his math is also questionable) which is telling IMO. He just nibbled around the edges and didn’t get into anything that would really get to the deficit problem.

I do think Elon is a major bullshit artist and everything he says should be questioned for accuracy. This goes for everyone really. 

The results we won’t really know for awhile but I’d wager that many of the things he cut will need to be added back. Even that isn’t necessarily bad as they will perhaps be reintroduced in a better way - an example is this paper mountain thing. This is why I asked what, if anything, it was replaced by.

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/mine-federal-government-retirement-records-doge-rcna200101

Yeah dummy I know it exists but it was public knowledge for years.

Musk acted like this was some great discovery and even lied about people can't retire if the elevator breaks.  Of course you believe him.

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

14 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Oh, I'm shocked you believe that a guy worth well into nine figures stole your data.  That's what the MSDNC told you, anyway. Chew another blue pill.

What's he going to do with it?  Sell you a Tesla?  A Starlink subscription?  Maybe he'll sell it on the Oligarchy black market?  

He doesn't want data because he's rich?   is that what he told you?

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

46 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

The Left:  DOGE is moving too fast!  They're breaking important stuff!

Also the Left:  DOGE isn't moving fast enough!  They haven't fixed everything in 90 days!

I haven't heard 1 person say DOGE isn't moving fast enough.  This is just your lack of comprehension.

[thegeneral 2,894]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

The Left:  DOGE is moving too fast!  They're breaking important stuff!

Also the Left:  DOGE isn't moving fast enough!  They haven't fixed everything in 90 days!

I would fall into the camp that 90 days isn’t nearly enough time to do this properly - even for super genius spaz Elon and AI tech bros.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,925]

3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

WSJ: Tesla has opened a search for a new CEO

Fake news. You got got. Again. 

[jerryskids 6,558]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yeah dummy I know it exists but it was public knowledge for years.

Musk acted like this was some great discovery and even lied about people can't retire if the elevator breaks.  Of course you believe him.

Tard answer #1: Gutter wants us to believe that everyone knew the existence and operating details of the mine. I'm sure Leftie pseudo in NJ learned about it in middle school.

[jerryskids 6,558]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

He doesn't want data because he's rich?   is that what he told you?

Tard answer #2. Nonresponsive. What is he doing with your data, Gutter? I mean, if caught, the richest man in the world would face prosecution. There must be a tangible value to risk it.

Ima go with sell you a Tesla, since you've got nothing

 

[jerryskids 6,558]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

I haven't heard 1 person say DOGE isn't moving fast enough.  This is just your lack of comprehension.

Tard answer #3. Read the thread you maroon!

 

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Tard answer #1: Gutter wants us to believe that everyone knew the existence and operating details of the mine. I'm sure Leftie pseudo in NJ learned about it in middle school.

Just because you never heard of it until Musk told you doesn't mean it was a secret.

I first learned about Iron Mountain when we used them in 2000s.

If you want to learn something...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Mountain_(company)

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/01/inside-iron-mountain.html

 

 

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

22 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Tard answer #2. Nonresponsive. What is he doing with your data, Gutter? I mean, if caught, the richest man in the world would face prosecution. There must be a tangible value to risk it.

Ima go with sell you a Tesla, since you've got nothing

 

Data is money bruh.  I work in IT so take my word for it.  I don't expect a sales douche to understand, well maybe you would, like when you used to cold call people to sell them stuff.  The more contacts the better right?  Now obviously Elon is not going to be cold calling people to buy Teslas, you need to think more modern.  In the age of AI, being able to feed data into AI engines is going to be massive.  The more data the better.  Being able to use that data to make decisions, train AI, improve algorithms, target people for ads or products, this is how successful businesses think.  There was a company called Frank acquired by JP Morgan Chase for hundreds of millions for their data alone.  Problem is the data was fake so it was essentially worthless.  Data is money bruh.

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

32 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Tard answer #3. Read the thread you maroon!

 

I did.  No one said they need to work faster.  You made that up as a reply to Mooney's post.

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48 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Data is money bruh.  I work in IT so take my word for it.  I don't expect a sales douche to understand, well maybe you would, like when you used to cold call people to sell them stuff.  The more contacts the better right?  Now obviously Elon is not going to be cold calling people to buy Teslas, you need to think more modern.  In the age of AI, being able to feed data into AI engines is going to be massive.  The more data the better.  Being able to use that data to make decisions, train AI, improve algorithms, target people for ads or products, this is how successful businesses think.  There was a company called Frank acquired by JP Morgan Chase for hundreds of millions for their data alone.  Problem is the data was fake so it was essentially worthless.  Data is money bruh.

"Bruh" 

[jerryskids 6,558]

5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I know a lot of conservatives like Jerry get weary from the day to day unnecessary extra from Trump, and I don’t blame them. But if you listen to Stephen Millers presser today where he lays it out, you realize how much better of the American people are. Couple that with Kamala speaking last night and you know you made the right choice, as aggravating as it can be at times. 

I don't regret my choice, but I am increasingly concerned.  There is a weariness factor, sure.  But I'm more concerned about Trump's riffs around things like, say, a trade war with China. It's one thing for Trump the real estate person to say "I want to build a golf resort in Qatar," and he has people to implement the idea.  But China, well, he doesn't control.  And China would kill every one of us if it meant world domination.

I'm stealing from Ben Shapiro here, but if you plan to go to war, you need to have things in place, like supply lines for your troops.  For a trade war, that translates to a supply chain with strong trade relationships with the other countries, to weather the storm.  Instead, Trump alienated all of the countries, to the extent that they are now talking to China moreso than in the past.  This doesn't help.

And if we actually start to cause pain to China, enough to cause them concern?  Their next step involves Taiwan and TSMC.  China has built a huge navy, are we prepared and willing to engage that?

I know the alternative was Kamala, vacuous, playing computer solitaire in the Oval Office instead of the VP office, while whatever cartel was in place during Biden continued to run the country.  I don't like that alternative, never have.  But I wish Trump had someone in his inner circle who could pimp slap him on some of these things.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,925]

20 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I don't regret my choice, but I am increasingly concerned.  There is a weariness factor, sure.  But I'm more concerned about Trump's riffs around things like, say, a trade war with China. It's one thing for Trump the real estate person to say "I want to build a golf resort in Qatar," and he has people to implement the idea.  But China, well, he doesn't control.  And China would kill every one of us if it meant world domination.

I'm stealing from Ben Shapiro here, but if you plan to go to war, you need to have things in place, like supply lines for your troops.  For a trade war, that translates to a supply chain with strong trade relationships with the other countries, to weather the storm.  Instead, Trump alienated all of the countries, to the extent that they are now talking to China moreso than in the past.  This doesn't help.

And if we actually start to cause pain to China, enough to cause them concern?  Their next step involves Taiwan and TSMC.  China has built a huge navy, are we prepared and willing to engage that?

I know the alternative was Kamala, vacuous, playing computer solitaire in the Oval Office instead of the VP office, while whatever cartel was in place during Biden continued to run the country.  I don't like that alternative, never have.  But I wish Trump had someone in his inner circle who could pimp slap him on some of these things.

Agree.  Butthe other side is just so absurd they make Trump palatable. 

[5-Points 3,387]

10 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

They promised 2T in savings.  Never happened. No doge rebates. Never will happen.  They fired a bunch of people they shouldn't have, cut funding the shouldn't have, blocked by the courts, hated by the public.

It's a failure.  Elon leaves Washington more hated than ever having lost $135B in personal fortune.  Fail.

Did you expect it to happen overnight? 

When you make strategic cuts, it takes time to realize the resulting savings. 

If nothing else, it will help prevent future worthless expenditures. 

Which is far better than the status quo. 

Ya gotta start somewhere. And cutting government bloat is a great place to start. 

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

14 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Did you expect it to happen overnight? 

When you make strategic cuts, it takes time to realize the resulting savings. 

If nothing else, it will help prevent future worthless expenditures. 

Which is far better than the status quo. 

Ya gotta start somewhere. And cutting government bloat is a great place to start. 

Strategic cuts?

With a chainsaw?

Tell me what strategic cuts were made that will result in trillions in savings and when?

[jerryskids 6,558]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

I did.  No one said they need to work faster.  You made that up as a reply to Mooney's post.

 

10 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

They promised 2T in savings.  Never happened. No doge rebates. Never will happen.  They fired a bunch of people they shouldn't have, cut funding the shouldn't have, blocked by the courts, hated by the public.

It's a failure.  Elon leaves Washington more hated than ever having lost $135B in personal fortune.  Fail.

You don't even remember your own posts from earlier today.  Carry on.

[jerryskids 6,558]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Just because you never heard of it until Musk told you doesn't mean it was a secret.

I first learned about Iron Mountain when we used them in 2000s.

If you want to learn something...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Mountain_(company)

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/01/inside-iron-mountain.html

 

 

Code monkey worked on a project with the cave, and as such presumes everyone knows not only that it exists but the extent to which it hampers the efficiency of retirement of federal employees. It's not a secret$#@!  

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

You don't even remember your own posts from earlier today.  Carry on.

Bruh, I didn't say they need to move faster, I said it never will happen. 

[jbycho 585]

13 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Bruh, I didn't say they need to move faster, I said it never will happen. 

"Bruh". 

[5-Points 3,387]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Strategic cuts?

With a chainsaw?

Tell me what strategic cuts were made that will result in trillions in savings and when?

For starters, they identified and cut redundant, overpaid, government jobs. 

That will add up over time. Why would anybody have a problem with that? 

Do you think the DMV is an example of government efficiency? 

ITSATIP, pretty much all government agencies are equally inefficient. Which is to say, a waste of tax dollars. 

 

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

For starters, they identified and cut redundant, overpaid, government jobs. 

That will add up over time. Why would anybody have a problem with that? 

Do you think the DMV is an example of government efficiency? 

ITSATIP, pretty much all government agencies are equally inefficient. Which is to say, a waste of tax dollars. 

 

How long before those jobs add up to a trillion in savings?

[5-Points 3,387]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

How long before those jobs add up to a trillion in savings?

Was there a timeline put on it? 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,925]

19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

How long before those jobs add up to a trillion in savings?

Imagine rooting against cutting waste fraud and abuse like this sad creature. 

[Reality 3,093]

30 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Imagine rooting against cutting waste fraud and abuse like this sad creature. 

Right, it seems to actually upset them...

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

14 hours ago, 5-Points said:

Did you expect it to happen overnight? 

When you make strategic cuts, it takes time to realize the resulting savings. 

If nothing else, it will help prevent future worthless expenditures. 

Which is far better than the status quo. 

Ya gotta start somewhere. And cutting government bloat is a great place to start. 

 

Government has bloat- nobody disputes that.

The main objection is how these cuts and everything went down where it seems like there was lack of a plan and in DOGE's case it was more about "Oh man- look at the numbers." There is a lot of speculation about those numbers and what is actually being cut and by moving things under different groupings you are just creating more waste.

To be more exact they are doing what a business does- consolidate departments and give more work to people who are still there because "##### you, do more work." That doesn't lead to efficiencies that leads to overworked people doing half ass jobs which cause different and/or more issues. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Government has bloat- nobody disputes that.

The main objection is how these cuts and everything went down where it seems like there was lack of a plan and in DOGE's case it was more about "Oh man- look at the numbers." There is a lot of speculation about those numbers and what is actually being cut and by moving things under different groupings you are just creating more waste.

To be more exact they are doing what a business does- consolidate departments and give more work to people who are still there because "##### you, do more work." That doesn't lead to efficiencies that leads to overworked people doing half ass jobs which cause different and/or more issues. 

Wow. Talk about out of touch with reality. 

 

[5-Points 3,387]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Government has bloat- nobody disputes that.

The main objection is how these cuts and everything went down where it seems like there was lack of a plan and in DOGE's case it was more about "Oh man- look at the numbers." There is a lot of speculation about those numbers and what is actually being cut and by moving things under different groupings you are just creating more waste.

To be more exact they are doing what a business does- consolidate departments and give more work to people who are still there because "##### you, do more work." That doesn't lead to efficiencies that leads to overworked people doing half ass jobs which cause different and/or more issues. 

The government should be run like a company. A company with accountability to the share holders. The American people are the share holders and this government has been unaccountable to us for far too long. 

Time to trim some fat. If you don't like it, take your talents and get a job in the private sector. 

[HellToupee 1,583]

20 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yeah dummy I know it exists but it was public knowledge for years.

Musk acted like this was some great discovery and even lied about people can't retire if the elevator breaks.  Of course you believe him.

Don’t be stupid you moron. I had employees who worked for me that had no clue when they were retiring that everything was handled this way. About 3 months after you retire you get an interim check, about 60% of their estimate and hopefully you don’t have a complicated retirement application, divorce, military service, blend of csrs blended with fers etc

[Ron_Artest 1,046]

59 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Don’t be stupid you moron. I had employees who worked for me that had no clue when they were retiring that everything was handled this way. About 3 months after you retire you get an interim check, about 60% of their estimate and hopefully you don’t have a complicated retirement application, divorce, military service, blend of csrs blended with fers etc

Of course govt retirements take too long.  Is it because of a top secret elevator in a mine shaft in PA?  Of course not.  Don't be a moron.