Shedeur Sanders is being disrespected.

[CaptainObvious1 324]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Nobody I read had Willis as a 1st round pick. And your example you tried to use I proved definitively wrong.

You might want to sit the rest of this out champ. 

You tried to use NFL Mock Draft Database as a source. I mean...christ you are stupid. 

It literally averages out a bunch of mocks you focking retard.  How many times do I need to embarrass you in this entire discussion?  Take your L, shut the F up, and log off.   Midget.

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

There wasn’t one team picking 22-32 that needed a QB. Late first round my ass. 

 

Hard to believe CaptainObvious is giving this strong a performance here. Him and HT are 1/2 in the autism scale in here and one might knock the other down to a 5th round pick. 

[Ron_Artest 1,053]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sad that Mooney , MDC and Gutterdope have to make it up to come at the king.  You missed. Again.  

Bro calls himself the king

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

Just now, CaptainObvious1 said:

It literally averages out a bunch of mocks you focking retard.  How many times do I need to embarrass you in this entire discussion?  Take your L, shut the F up, and log off.   Midget.

CaptainObvious "You can't use websites like NFL Draft Buzz because they are just watching video."

Also CaptainObvious: "Here is an average of mock drafts from team fan sites on SB Nation. That's legit."

 

You are a moron dude. Go back to bed and start your day over. 

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

Also, hilariously the site CaptainObvious wants to use as legit has:

The Steelers at 21 drafting in the consensus.....

Shedeur Sanders.

Not often you see a dipsh!t self own themselves like that.

 

[Ron_Artest 1,053]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Also, hilariously the site CaptainObvious wants to use as legit has:

The Steelers at 21 drafting in the consensus.....

Shedeur Sanders.

Not often you see a dipsh!t self own themselves like that.

 

If you read his posts you see it often.  Zero self awareness.  You have to wonder if he's just a troll pretending to be stupid.

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

If you read his posts you see it often.  Zero self awareness.  You have to wonder if he's just a troll pretending to be stupid.

I don't think he is pretending

 

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

He wasn't worth the hassle.  That's why he fell in the draft.  Teams don't want to put up with that crap from a 1st round draft pick.

The Black Johnny Manziel.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

32 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Bro calls himself the king

 Bro spent his morning scouring the internet finding ways to disprove something I didn’t even say. You’re a very productive member of the team at work. Never mind Mooney and MDC doing the same. The amount of man hours wasted on HTDS is staggering.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

No one could have predicted it

Oh those were just "click bait" predictions they don't count

Who said that? Not me. So sad. 

[CaptainObvious1 324]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

CaptainObvious "You can't use websites like NFL Draft Buzz because they are just watching video."

Also CaptainObvious: "Here is an average of mock drafts from team fan sites on SB Nation. That's legit."

 

You are a moron dude. Go back to bed and start your day over. 

Slow kid - I used one of your own sites to show you that people considered Willis a first rounder.  People that don't matter.   

[CaptainObvious1 324]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

If you read his posts you see it often.  Zero self awareness.  You have to wonder if he's just a troll pretending to be stupid.

GutterPedo v47 seeking attention.  How cute.

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

12 minutes ago, CaptainObvious1 said:

Slow kid - I used one of your own sites to show you that people considered Willis a first rounder.  People that don't matter.   

Dumb kid- I never mentioned that site.

One of the sites I did mention that you used I showed you they did not have him in the top 5.

You really are not smart. 

[nobody 2,562]

 

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

Additionally- I wouldn't have ranked Sanders ahead of any of the 1st round QBs in 2024 either....and NFL Draft Buzz had it super close (Sanders 88.1 and Nix 87.4) to the point that you could make a case one way or the other.

 

Funny you bring up Nix.  Remember when he was drafted and all the draft touts laughed and panned the pick?  All because that was the media mob-think.  The same media mob-think that told you Shedeur was great (all because Deion told them shedeur was great).

Point being (again) - draft touts don't know shìt.  They google their opinions just like you.

 

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

10 pages on Shedeur, a guy who most likely will be a career backup and spot starter. 

[nobody 2,562]

There is racism involved here by the way.  It's just not how you would think.

The media artificially elevates the stock of black qbs and devalues white qbs.  All because the media mob-think is influenced by wokies.  They don't want to get caught overly criticizing a black QB or face the wrath of the wokies, so the result is black qbs get elevated a round or two by the touts and white qbs are devalued a bit.  Especially if they're stereotypical white dudes like Bo Nix.

[MDC 7,125]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

10 pages on Shedeur, a guy who most likely will be a career backup and spot starter. 

Tbf at least 2 pages are HT making a colossal fool of himself and being mocked for it.

[SaintsInDome2006 378]

5 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

10 pages on Shedeur, a guy who most likely will be a career backup and spot starter. 

IIRC there was also another guy in the green room on Day 1 who last until the 4th or 5th and no one cared. 

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

IIRC there was also another guy in the green room on Day 1 who last until the 4th or 5th and no one cared. 

Shedeur didn't attend the draft(wasn't in green room), but a guy who did show up was in the green room for days 2 and 3(watched round 1 from hotel) and he went to the Packers, it was a really cool moment. He was projected to go late 2nd or 3rd but didn't get picked until the 4th to Green Bay.  He walked out, got a huge round of applause, then walked out into the crowd shook hands, walked over to Lambeau that had overflow crowd and did his first Lambeau Leap.  Pretty cool how it worked out. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

15 hours ago, MDC said:

That’s my point. All this talk about how Sanders was really a 4-5 rounder in THIS draft is Monday morning QBing. Absent character concerns he’d have been a 1st round lock.

Well, except it's not because I was hearing this prior to the draft.

Of course, only Time Will tell.

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

14 minutes ago, nobody said:

 

Funny you bring up Nix.  Remember when he was drafted and all the draft touts laughed and panned the pick?  All because that was the media mob-think.  The same media mob-think that told you Shedeur was great (all because Deion told them shedeur was great).

Point being (again) - draft touts don't know shìt.  They google their opinions just like you.

 

So the main site I use (which brings in rankings from 24/7 sports and rivals (but Captain Obvious thinks those aren't scouting sites) had Nix as a late first rounder in their projections. 

This was their scouting summation of him prior to the draft. 

Quote

Bo Nix entered the collegiate ranks with sky-high expectations, securing the SEC Freshman of the Year in 2019 and was heralded as a five-star recruit. His tape at Auburn showcases his prototypical size and arm cannon, both key assets for the next level. Nix's footwork and mobility allow him to extend plays outside the pocket, and his arm talent, especially off-platform throws, is evident. However, his on-field IQ needs polishing. He occasionally displays sloppy mechanics and lacks pocket awareness, leading to questionable decisions under duress. Furthermore, he locks onto primary reads and struggles with progression. But, with a year of solid tape and growth in his decision-making, there's no doubt Nix can move into first-round discussions for NFL teams seeking a QB with raw, moldable talent.

The mocking was more about him going 12th than anything which speaks to the value of the pick. (And yes I have some issues with values based objections to draft picks). But they felt Nix was the 6th best quarterback in the draft and he went 6th. So he had value positionally, just maybe a little early....but I am of the belief that if you want a guy- you draft that guy. 

[MDC 7,125]

18 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Lekas had him going to the saints at 9

https://x.com/BillLekas/status/1913981184951922772?t=3U05OYdu-PIrWgFIFJb5uw&s=19

@EternalShinyAndChrome ?

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

I'll ask again because people don't want to seem to back up their beliefs:

So enough talk about this Sanders stuff. Let's have some people put up their opinions on record. What do you see as Sanders ceiling?:

1.) NFL Elite QB

2.) Decent QB who might be able to lead you to a playoff here and there but plagued by inconsistencies.

3.) Average starter who will lead team to like consistent 9-8/8-9 seasons

4.) Career Backup who kicks around the NFL wearing a headset making bank doing nothing.

5.) Complete and utter NFL washout.

6.) Best QB in the CFL

7.) Best QB in the UFL

 

I think his ceiling is probably option 3.....but I would not be surprised if 6 happens

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

Kid has the opportunity to exceed draft expectations instead of not meeting them and being considered a bust.  He can run with this, maybe.  He can let it motivate him or he can let it crush him.  Time will tell.  

[nobody 2,562]

9 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So the main site I use (which brings in rankings from 24/7 sports and rivals (but Captain Obvious thinks those aren't scouting sites) had Nix as a late first rounder in their projections. 

This was their scouting summation of him prior to the draft. 

The mocking was more about him going 12th than anything which speaks to the value of the pick. (And yes I have some issues with values based objections to draft picks). But they felt Nix was the 6th best quarterback in the draft and he went 6th. So he had value positionally, just maybe a little early....but I am of the belief that if you want a guy- you draft that guy. 

The point is draft touts don't know shìt.  Bo Nix was clearly worth the 12th pick.  

Those guys are just like Gutter and google every opinion they have.  Therefore, the loudest voices are opinions that are adopted.  Even people with real opinions get influenced by the mob-think.  It's very hard to live in that world and come out and say the emperor has no clothes.  It can mean the end of your career.  

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

29 minutes ago, MDC said:

Tbf at least 2 pages are HT making a colossal fool of himself and being mocked for it.

This thread? The on where you claimed I said no one predicted him going on the late first? That didn’t happen. lol. If it did, you show it.  

[Mike Honcho 5,096]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'll ask again because people don't want to seem to back up their beliefs:

So enough talk about this Sanders stuff. Let's have some people put up their opinions on record. What do you see as Sanders ceiling?:

1.) NFL Elite QB

2.) Decent QB who might be able to lead you to a playoff here and there but plagued by inconsistencies.

3.) Average starter who will lead team to like consistent 9-8/8-9 seasons

4.) Career Backup who kicks around the NFL wearing a headset making bank doing nothing.

5.) Complete and utter NFL washout.

6.) Best QB in the CFL

7.) Best QB in the UFL

 

I think his ceiling is probably option 3.....but I would not be surprised if 6 happens

 

35 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

10 pages on Shedeur, a guy who most likely will be a career backup and spot starter. 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

10 minutes ago, nobody said:

The point is draft touts don't know shìt.  Bo Nix was clearly worth the 12th pick.  

Those guys are just like Gutter and google every opinion they have.  Therefore, the loudest voices are opinions that are adopted.  Even people with real opinions get influenced by the mob-think.  It's very hard to live in that world and come out and say the emperor has no clothes.  It can mean the end of your career.  

The point is- those people felt Nix was a 1st round pick- they just differed on how high he would/should go in that draft. 12 seemed high but it wasn't a knock on the dude's talent. And I mean has he performed well? Sure. He also ended up in a really good place, with a really good coach, and a really good offensive system. That stuff matters too. Look at Baker Mayfield- he was the #1 pick for Cleveland and went 29-30 as a starter. He had 3 head coaches, 4 offensive coordinators, and just no talent really around him. And yet he still got them to a playoff and beat the Steelers there. He goes to Tampa Bay (eventually) and is 19-15, has a better TD:INT ratio, more stable coaching, better weapons. 

But you can do all the scouting in the world but at some point you have to understand 2 things that are hard to quantify in a prospect

1.) How stable is our program and situation- you can control this some

2.) What is the value (perceived and/or real) of that person to every other team in the league?- you can't control this. 

[nobody 2,562]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'll ask again because people don't want to seem to back up their beliefs:

So enough talk about this Sanders stuff. Let's have some people put up their opinions on record. What do you see as Sanders ceiling?:

1.) NFL Elite QB

2.) Decent QB who might be able to lead you to a playoff here and there but plagued by inconsistencies.

3.) Average starter who will lead team to like consistent 9-8/8-9 seasons

4.) Career Backup who kicks around the NFL wearing a headset making bank doing nothing.

5.) Complete and utter NFL washout.

6.) Best QB in the CFL

7.) Best QB in the UFL

 

I think his ceiling is probably option 3.....but I would not be surprised if 6 happens

I had my opinion back in Feb.  

His talent suggests 4, but you can't be a career backup and also be an åsshole.  Career backups need to be team first all the way, or else teams will decide you aren't worth the trouble.

He'll get a chance to compete.  My prediction is he will get a chance to start at some point.  The media circus will apply a lot of pressure to ensure that.  He'll continue to hold the ball forever and eventually get hurt and go back to the bench if he has a capable backup that comes in and plays adequately.

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

3 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

 

I'm happy with Makik Willis as the Packers backup.  Right now I would not trade him straight up for Sanders.  I suppose my opinion could be changed over the course of the preseason.

[nobody 2,562]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

The point is- those people felt Nix was a 1st round pick- they just differed on how high he would/should go in that draft. 12 seemed high but it wasn't a knock on the dude's talent. And I mean has he performed well? Sure. He also ended up in a really good place, with a really good coach, and a really good offensive system. That stuff matters too. Look at Baker Mayfield- he was the #1 pick for Cleveland and went 29-30 as a starter. He had 3 head coaches, 4 offensive coordinators, and just no talent really around him. And yet he still got them to a playoff and beat the Steelers there. He goes to Tampa Bay (eventually) and is 19-15, has a better TD:INT ratio, more stable coaching, better weapons. 

But you can do all the scouting in the world but at some point you have to understand 2 things that are hard to quantify in a prospect

1.) How stable is our program and situation- you can control this some

2.) What is the perceived value of that person to every other team in the league?- you can't control this. 

I know you don't follow football, but that nic pick was mocked by the media.  Straight up laughed at.  

[nobody 2,562]

Oooo.  I vaguely remember questioning the reaction to the nix pick at the time on this very site.  I should go try to find that.

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

3 minutes ago, nobody said:

I know you don't follow football, but that nic pick was mocked by the media.  Straight up laughed at.  

I do follow football. I thought Nix had a chance to be a pretty good QB in the NFL. As a Chargers fan, when he went to the Broncos my first thought was "Dammit!" I knew he was going to a really good head coach that does a great job of developing quarterbacks. And for a chance at him meeting or succeeding his potential he was in a great spot to do it. 

Again- the pick was mocked more for the value of when he went and not where he went. People knew he had talent. NFL Draft Buzz had him as a late 1st round pick. If a majority of "experts" think someone is like a 25th pick in the draft and they go 12th....yes that will raise eyebrows. But again- I already mentioned I think sometimes people don't account for team needs in those situations. Denver needed a QB, liked Nix a lot, and weren't sure he'd get back to them. Take him in that case. 

[nobody 2,562]

Let me tie it all back because we're going on a tangent.

The point of the Bo Nix media reaction was touts don't know shìt.  I won't even bring up the Justin Herbert reactions.

The reason that is relevant to this thread is draft touts get it wrong every single year.  Sometimes they get it right too, but they're usually wrong more than right. 

The overall point, is that the narrative that sanders was some sure fire first round talent and this fall was outrageous because the NFL doesn't like confident black men is entirely a media creation being carried forward by the same touts that overrated Sanders in the first place.

Let me fast forward the discourse here because I need to go run an errand and I can see where this is going.

If you agree that's all you have to say.  No need to qualify it with anything else to protect yourself from the woke mob... We're all nobodies.  You're safe.  You won't get cancelled.

If you never thought he was a first round talent either, then you should probably agree, and didn't really need to jump in and argue, but I get it.  A black guy is being criticized and that's a big no-no in today's world so the shìt storm got kicked off and and you have to white knight it to renew your not-a-racist merit badge.  And if you fall into this category, you proved you're not racist.  Great job.  

[nobody 2,562]

Dang.  I jammed you up with that last bit.  Sorry about that.  This is the Internet and now you have to disagree with me, but there's not an easy way to do that.  Now you're going to be forced to create some argument that's going to make us start all over. 

[Ron_Artest 1,053]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

The media artificially elevates the stock of black qbs and devalues white qbs.  All because the media mob-think is influenced by wokies.  They don't want to get caught overly criticizing a black QB or face the wrath of the wokies, so the result is black qbs get elevated a round or two by the touts and white qbs are devalued a bit.  Especially if they're stereotypical white dudes like Bo Nix.

Actually it's the reverse.  You devalue black QBs and praise white QB because you desperately want to be anti-woke. It's why you've said Lamar and Hurts were no good.  In the end you're no better than the people you criticize.  But of course you're not smart enough to see it.

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

@EternalShinyAndChrome ?

I must be getting my pundits mixed up.  They were on the NFL SiriusXM channel talking about it, but I did hear it.

[Ron_Artest 1,053]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I must be getting my pundits mixed up.  They were on the NFL SiriusXM channel talking about it, but I did hear it.

[Sean Mooney 1,937]

2 hours ago, nobody said:

 

If you agree that's all you have to say.  No need to qualify it with anything else to protect yourself from the woke mob... We're all nobodies.  You're safe.  You won't get cancelled.

If you never thought he was a first round talent either, then you should probably agree, and didn't really need to jump in and argue, but I get it.  A black guy is being criticized and that's a big no-no in today's world so the shìt storm got kicked off and and you have to white knight it to renew your not-a-racist merit badge.  And if you fall into this category, you proved you're not racist.  Great job.  

What the fook is your problem?

I've never once spoken to anything racist about Sanders. I only commented that some posters in here seemed to be taking a racist slant to it from the dumb arguments they were presenting. I never once said a person in the media has to be racist or anything like that. And no I don't think the NFL avoided Sanders because of his skin color.

I've talked to the validity of scouting predictions and where I was seeing Sanders was projected to go. You are throwing this way off course to make yourself feel better and you clearly don't understand the Nix point I'm making.. Stop being an azzhole

[jbycho 588]

13 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

What the fook is your problem?

I've never once spoken to anything racist about Sanders. I only commented that some posters in here seemed to be taking a racist slant to it from the dumb arguments they were presenting. I never once said a person in the media has to be racist or anything like that. And no I don't think the NFL avoided Sanders because of his skin color.

I've talked to the validity of scouting predictions and where I was seeing Sanders was projected to go. You are throwing this way off course to make yourself feel better and you clearly don't understand the Nix point I'm making.. Stop being an azzhole

You are a race baiter. Give it up.