Anyone following the ICE facility intrusion by Dems?

[Engorgeous George 2,166]

If they want to tresspass and interfere with federal contracted operations I say give them the consequences of their actions.  They wanted to show brio for the cameras.  They wanted to act like martyrs.  They wanted to show they wdere willing to take the risk of defiance.  I say give them the full consequences of that risk.  Detention facilities are not there for staging politcal grandstanding.  Give them the consequences of their staged martyrdom.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,989]

Here, here. A few cracked skulls wouldn’t hurt as well. 

[Strike 5,264]

They want in so bad, put them in the cells with the illegal gang bangers they're supposedly fighting for.

[Nomad99 706]

Wait a minute......are you saying some people trespassed & interfered with federal business? Sounds like an insurrection to me.....

[MDC 7,164]

If you’re talking about Newark, the congressmen say they didn’t trespass. Should be easy enough to prove with surveillance cameras. 

[Nomad99 706]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

If you’re talking about Newark, the congressmen say they didn’t trespass. Should be easy enough to prove with surveillance cameras. 

Just a heads up.....this isn't a tranny thread......

[Hardcore troubadour 14,989]

 Newark mayor arrested. Punk ass tried to flee. lol. No one is above the law. Indeed. Amen. 

[MDC 7,164]

14 minutes ago, Nomad99 said:

Just a heads up.....this isn't a tranny thread......

Now it is.  

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

Did they actually trespass or break any laws? 

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

I can’t approve of breaking the law (if that’s what actually happened.) But their cause is just and moral. As the great abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison said, there is a higher law than the Constitution. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,989]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Did they actually trespass or break any laws? 

 No. The laws were made up. Nazis. Know what I’m sayin? 

[TheNewGirl 1,379]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Did they actually trespass or break any laws? 

Arrested for trespassing. It was opened for specific individuals for an inspection. 

These people decided to walk in "and see for themselves." Then were asked to leave several times. 

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Newark Mayor Ras Baraka, a gubernatorial candidate in New Jersey, was arrested Friday at an Immigration and Customs Enforcementdetention facility on trespassing charges.

Alina Habba, the interim U.S. attorney for the District of New Jersey, said in a post on X that Baraka trespassed and “ignored multiple warnings from Homeland Security” officials to “remove himself from the ICE detention center in Newark, New Jersey this afternoon.”

 

“He has willingly chosen to disregard the law. That will not stand in this state,” Habba added.

 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Arrested for trespassing. It was opened for specific individuals for an inspection. 

These people decided to walk in "and see for themselves." Then were asked to leave several times. 

 

 

If they were asked to leave and refused to do so then it was right to arrest them. 
 

I’m still sympathetic to them though. They’re on the right side. 

[jbycho 624]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m still sympathetic to them though. They’re on the right side. 

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

And even though it was correct to arrest them, it’s politically a really stupid move. The public has moved away from the Trump folks on this issue because Trump has overreached. Arresting a mayor is not a good look. 

[Horseman 2,385]

Have you seen these queers that are running for governor in NJ?  The whole state must be filled with dress wearing effeminates.  

[Nomad99 706]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’m still sympathetic to them though. They’re on the right side. 

Why? Because you deem it so? So Jan 6 is righteous because i deem it so? Either you are invested in the law or you are not.

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

Just now, Nomad99 said:

Why? Because you deem it so? So Jan 6 is righteous because i deem it so? Either you are invested in the law or you are not.

No. Not because I deem it so. Because arresting and deporting people who are not violent felons is, by any standard, an immoral act, regardless of what you or I think. And yes there are exceptions to the law. I just offered slavery, that was the point that abolitionists made. 

[Nomad99 706]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. Not because I deem it so. Because arresting and deporting people who are not violent felons is, by any standard, an immoral act, regardless of what you or I think. And yes there are exceptions to the law. I just offered slavery, that was the point that abolitionists made. 

So if a non violent felon breaks into your house....gets caught & arrested....that's immoral?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,989]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. Not because I deem it so. Because arresting and deporting people who are not violent felons is, by any standard, an immoral act, regardless of what you or I think. And yes there are exceptions to the law. I just offered slavery, that was the point that abolitionists made. 

Would you vote for a candidate that deports illegals? 

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

Just now, Nomad99 said:

So if a non violent felon breaks into your house....gets caught & arrested....that's immoral?

Breaking into my house would make him a  violent felon. So no it wouldn’t be immoral to arrest him. 

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Would you vote for a candidate that deports illegals? 

I certainly have. I voted for Joe Biden and many others who have done so. I don’t agree with it in most cases however.  But I’m not a one issue voter. 

[Strike 5,264]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. Not because I deem it so. Because arresting and deporting people who are not violent felons is, by any standard, an immoral act, regardless of what you or I think. And yes there are exceptions to the law. I just offered slavery, that was the point that abolitionists made. 

First of all you're a f****** ignorant idiot.  This facility is actually housing violent felons.  Secondly you're a f****** liar.  You have made it clear in previous discussions that it's okay to break the law if it's a law YOU don't agree with.  In summary,  you're a f****** ignorant lying hypocrite.

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

First of all you're a f****** ignorant idiot.  This facility is actually housing violent felons.  Secondly you're a f****** liar.  You have made it clear in previous discussions that it's okay to break the law if it's a law YOU don't agree with.  In summary,  you're a f****** ignorant lying hypocrite.

Your first sentence made me laugh. Actually your whole post made me laugh. 

To correct you: I wrote that it’s OK to break an immoral law in EXTREME circumstances only. Like hiding an escaped slave in your cellar. Or hiding a Jew during the Holocaust, etc. 

Trespassing to stage a publicized protest is not an extreme circumstance. Therefore despite my sympathy with these folks it was correct to arrest them if they truly did trespass (they claim they didn’t.) 

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

And as far as this facility housing only violent felons, if that is the claim, that is also being disputed. 

[Strike 5,264]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Your first sentence made me laugh. Actually your whole post made me laugh. 

To correct you: I wrote that it’s OK to break an immoral law in EXTREME circumstances only. Like hiding an escaped slave in your cellar. Or hiding a Jew during the Holocaust, etc. 

Trespassing to stage a publicized protest is not an extreme circumstance. Therefore despite my sympathy with these folks it was correct to arrest them if they truly did trespass (they claim they didn’t.) 

No you didn't write just an extreme circumstances.  I've grilled you on it repeatedly and you've made it clear that if you think a law is immoral it's okay to break it.  I realize that you understand that makes you look like an idiot but it doesn't make it untrue.  It just makes you an idiot.

[Strike 5,264]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And as far as this facility housing only violent felons, if that is the claim, that is also being disputed. 

Well you're wrong again.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-ero-newark-arrests-illegally-present-venezuelan-wanted-overseas-homicide

How about a ban bet that I can find more?  Or are you still too much of a p**** to make a ban bet?  Keep proving how ignorant you are. I love it.

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

No you didn't write just an extreme circumstances.  I've grilled you on it repeatedly and you've made it clear that if you think a law is immoral it's okay to break it.  I realize that you understand that makes you look like an idiot but it doesn't make it untrue.  It just makes you an idiot.

There is certainly an idiot involved in this conversation but you have the wrong guy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,989]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I certainly have. I voted for Joe Biden and many others who have done so. I don’t agree with it in most cases however.  But I’m not a one issue voter. 

So morals don’t factor in. 

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Well you're wrong again.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-ero-newark-arrests-illegally-present-venezuelan-wanted-overseas-homicide

How about a ban bet that I can find more?  Or are you still too much of a p**** to make a ban bet?

You didn’t prove me wrong. Your source (ICE) is highly suspect; they are proven, known liars and thugs, the American version of the Gestapo. 

[Strike 5,264]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

You didn’t prove me wrong. Your source (ICE) is highly suspect; they are proven, known liars and thugs, the American version of the Gestapo. 

The US government is highly suspect.  You wouldn't have said that 6 months ago.   ROFLMAO.

[The Real timschochet 6,515]

Just now, Strike said:

The US government is highly suspect.  You wouldn't have said that 6 months ago.   ROFLMAO.

Of course I would; but it’s far more suspect now. 

[Strike 5,264]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

You didn’t prove me wrong. Your source (ICE) is highly suspect; they are proven, known liars and thugs, the American version of the Gestapo. 

I mean you do realize that release came out like a week ago before this incident.  So your stance is that the US government pre-lied in case a bunch of Dems decided to commit trespass.  You can't be a bigger f****** idiot than to believe that.

[TheNewGirl 1,379]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So morals don’t factor in. 

Duh. 

He hires illegals and doesn't care if they use an SSN they ripped off from someone else. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,880]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I mean you do realize that release came out like a week ago before this incident.  So your stance is that the US government pre-lied in case a bunch of Dems decided to commit trespass.  You can't be a bigger f****** idiot than to believe that.

Yeah, ICE is a bunch of liars and thugs but that report about Trump pissing on hookers and sniffing truckloads of cocaine?  Yeah, totally legit. 

[TheNewGirl 1,379]

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

First of all you're a f****** ignorant idiot.  This facility is actually housing violent felons.  Secondly you're a f****** liar.  You have made it clear in previous discussions that it's okay to break the law if it's a law YOU don't agree with.  In summary,  you're a f****** ignorant lying hypocrite.

May I remind you of his first post here: 

On 5/17/2013 at 8:58 AM, The Real timschochet said:

Hello to everyone in this forum. No worries, I am not going to post here on a regular basis. In fact, this may very well be my last post. I just wanted to let you know that whoever the guy is that stole both my name and my avatar and is using it in this forum, that person is not me. I have no idea why he would want to use my name and avatar- at first I was flattered, but then I decided that I didn't want to be misrepresented.

 

Anyhow that's all. Good day.

 

[Nomad99 706]

24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Breaking into my house would make him a  violent felon. So no it wouldn’t be immoral to arrest him. 

How would it be violent? You weren't there,  nobody got hurt....just a B&E...

[Strike 5,264]

6 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

May I remind you of his first post here: 

 

Oh I know.  And over at football guys he actively disparaged this site for years and said he would never post here.  Then when football guys closed their political forum he came running over here because he just has to have a fantasy football board to post politics on.  You would think he would have used that as an opportunity to go find a political board but he knows he'd look like a total f****** idiot on a political board.  He just doesn't realize that he looks like a total f****** idiot on a football board too.

[Engorgeous George 2,166]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You didn’t prove me wrong. Your source (ICE) is highly suspect; they are proven, known liars and thugs, the American version of the Gestapo. 

Is it grape or cherry, the koolaid you drink?

[jbycho 624]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Is it grape or cherry, the koolaid you drink?

He drinks apple juice.