Derek Carr Decides to Retire

[Mike FF Today 721]

Didn't see this coming...

 

[ICEMAN 41]

Wow.

ICEMAN

[GobbleDog 985]

Carr will forever be remembered as ... meh.  Perhaps the greatest meh of all-time.

The Saints were already in for a long crappy season, but it just got worse. Qb options... Shough, Rattler, Haener   

Wouldn't be surprising if all of them get a few starts this season.

[Vikings4ever 539]

15 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Carr will forever be remembered as ... meh.  Perhaps the greatest meh of all-time.

40K yards and 250 TDs is nothing to sneeze at. Per game his numbers are slightly better than Eli Manning's (with noticeably less INTs). Top 25 all time in completions, yards, and TDs, while not being in the top 100 in INTs.

Not saying he should even sniff the HOF, but there's definitely been more meh QBs.

[Maximum Overkill 1,756]

44 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Carr will forever be remembered as ... meh.  Perhaps the greatest meh of all-time.

100%

Instead of people saying "he's a jag", they'll say "he's a Carr". 

[GobbleDog 985]

17 minutes ago, Vikings4ever said:

40K yards and 250 TDs is nothing to sneeze at. Per game his numbers are slightly better than Eli Manning's (with noticeably less INTs). Top 25 all time in completions, yards, and TDs, while not being in the top 100 in INTs.

Not saying he should even sniff the HOF, but there's definitely been more meh QBs.

11 seasons with a win-loss record ...  77-92

Playoff record ... 0-1

Career Qb rating ... 92.8

meh

[Ray_T 741]

32 minutes ago, Vikings4ever said:

40K yards and 250 TDs is nothing to sneeze at. Per game his numbers are slightly better than Eli Manning's (with noticeably less INTs). Top 25 all time in completions, yards, and TDs, while not being in the top 100 in INTs.

Not saying he should even sniff the HOF, but there's definitely been more meh QBs.

he was right up there in 4th quarter comebacks too.

solid QB.     and good when he needed to be.     in the right situation he could have had a better career, but he was stuck with the Raiders.

[Maximum Overkill 1,756]

15 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

he was stuck with the Raiders.

He chose to be stuck with the Raiders. How many extensions did he sign? I didn't see a gun to his head.  

[makindollaz 51]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

11 seasons with a win-loss record ...  77-92

Playoff record ... 0-1

Career Qb rating ... 92.8

meh

For me, this is more his legacy.

His stats are more a product of playing in an era where passing was more emphasized.  There are much better QB’s from 20, 30, 40+ years ago whose numbers weren’t as good because teams ran more.

[Ray_T 741]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He chose to be stuck with the Raiders. How many extensions did he sign? I didn't see a gun to his head.  

I get it.   Thats called being a good professional and a good leader.    He didnt quit and ask to be traded to a contender like some......

my point is.... if he had been with a different team his career might have been more impressive.     I dont know how many years he put up decent stats without a true #1 WR.    there was one year all he had was a #1 TE and 3 WR who might be #3 WR on other teams.   

if the guy had been in a decent organization i have no doubt that the stats you are looking at for him would be far more impressive.

 

[GobbleDog 985]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

I get it.   Thats called being a good professional and a good leader.    He didnt quit and ask to be traded to a contender like some......

I doubt any contending team would've taken him.

[JagFan 149]

Are we seriously debating this guy?  I’ve been playing FF for 25 years and am just now learning this guy played QB in the NFL. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,756]

2 hours ago, JagFan said:

Are we seriously debating this guy?  I’ve been playing FF for 25 years and am just now learning this guy played QB in the NFL. 

Yup.  If he was anyone's starting Fantasy QB, that means they lost money  

[Ray_T 741]

4 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Yup.  If he was anyone's starting Fantasy QB, that means they lost money  

depends on the year and the format.

in my superflex league he was a sought after player.   I had him as my second QB the year he threw for 4800 yards.   I won the league that year.

I get that hes not been a top 10 QB most years.  but look at the crappy WR's he had to work with most of his career.    there are a lot of QB that would have went completely in the toilet stats wise with that motley crew.

I'm not saying hes an allstar or deserves to be in the HOF.   I'm saying he was a good starter.   and a better real life QB than fantasy QB.    he was among the leaders among active players in one key stat.   4th quarter comebacks.    

Thats a stat most teams wish their QB could pull off.

either way,  Thats all I gotta say about that.

[Maximum Overkill 1,756]

7 hours ago, Ray_T said:

depends on the year and the format.

in my superflex league he was a sought after player.   I had him as my second QB the year he threw for 4800 yards.   I won the league that year.

I get that hes not been a top 10 QB most years.  but look at the crappy WR's he had to work with most of his career.    there are a lot of QB that would have went completely in the toilet stats wise with that motley crew.

I'm not saying hes an allstar or deserves to be in the HOF.   I'm saying he was a good starter.   and a better real life QB than fantasy QB.    he was among the leaders among active players in one key stat.   4th quarter comebacks.    

Thats a stat most teams wish their QB could pull off.

either way,  Thats all I gotta say about that.

This is where we disagree.  I would never draft Carr in a 10 or 12 team Fantasy league as my starting QB. Even at his peak there was no upside,  he was always capped because he didn't run, at all, never.  

You'd get the occasional spike week but overall fantasy production was never enough to win a league unless you were oddly stacked at all other positions. 

[Ray_T 741]

13 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

This is where we disagree.  I would never draft Carr in a 10 or 12 team Fantasy league as my starting QB. Even at his peak there was no upside,  he was always capped because he didn't run, at all, never.  

You'd get the occasional spike week but overall fantasy production was never enough to win a league unless you were oddly stacked at all other positions. 

hey just noting.   I said superflex league.    you start 2 QB.   not the same dude.

[TBayXXXVII 2,494]

On 5/10/2025 at 12:13 PM, GobbleDog said:

Carr will forever be remembered as ... meh.  Perhaps the greatest meh of all-time.

The Saints were already in for a long crappy season, but it just got worse. Qb options... Shough, Rattler, Haener   

Wouldn't be surprising if all of them get a few starts this season.

Heard on NFL radio over the weekend that the Saints had Shough as the #2 QB in this draft and had a 1st rd grade on him.  They apparently tried to move back into the 1st round, but couldn't.

[Ray_T 741]

12 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Heard on NFL radio over the weekend that the Saints had Shough as the #2 QB in this draft and had a 1st rd grade on him.  They apparently tried to move back into the 1st round, but couldn't.

its funny I looked at some tape of this kid and I can see why.

hes not going to be a huge threat to run, though he does have the ability.    biggest concern from what I can see is his ability to stay healthy.   for that reason I think he will be exclusively an pocket passer because I wouldnt want to risk extra hits on a guy who already has injury issues.

I'd also have him redshirt a year and focus on the O line.   Pro football network has a pre season ranking of 24 out of 30 teams.    to keep him healthy I think you need to have a line that is better than this.    I'd say you want AT LEAST an average line but preferably better than average.

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,494]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

its funny I looked at some tape of this kid and I can see why.

hes not going to be a huge threat to run, though he does have the ability.    biggest concern from what I can see is his ability to stay healthy.   for that reason I think he will be exclusively an pocket passer because I wouldnt want to risk extra hits on a guy who already has injury issues.

I'd also have him redshirt a year and focus on the O line.   Pro football network has a pre season ranking of 24 out of 30 teams.    to keep him healthy I think you need to have a line that is better than this.    I'd say you want AT LEAST an average line but preferably better than average.

 

(bolded)  This is what they were saying as to why they didn't draft Shough first and went with the OT @ #10 overall.  Remember, the Saints drafted an OT last year in R1 as well.  They also signed 3 OL in free agency.  Now, none were big name guys, but it does look like that's their plan.

[Ray_T 741]

20 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

(bolded)  This is what they were saying as to why they didn't draft Shough first and went with the OT @ #10 overall.  Remember, the Saints drafted an OT last year in R1 as well.  They also signed 3 OL in free agency.  Now, none were big name guys, but it does look like that's their plan.

well, it feels like a fair plan.  hopefully they stick to it.   I dont mind giving the kid a cup of coffee late in the season (especialy if the line is performing)   but we shall see.

[TBayXXXVII 2,494]

3 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

well, it feels like a fair plan.  hopefully they stick to it.   I dont mind giving the kid a cup of coffee late in the season (especialy if the line is performing)   but we shall see.

There's a lot of off the wall Bucs homers that think what the Saints are doing is awesome because they think the Saints are in a downward spiral and making things worse.  I'm not sure about that.  I, like you, think they're going to take the process of building the line and then giving Shough a shot.  If they're right about him, that he was the second best QB in the draft and should've been a 1st round pick, then the Saints will likely be a playoff contender in 2026.

[Ray_T 741]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

There's a lot of off the wall Bucs homers that think what the Saints are doing is awesome because they think the Saints are in a downward spiral and making things worse.  I'm not sure about that.  I, like you, think they're going to take the process of building the line and then giving Shough a shot.  If they're right about him, that he was the second best QB in the draft and should've been a 1st round pick, then the Saints will likely be a playoff contender in 2026.

true.   

But then again, you could say that about any QB drafted in almost any year.   if they actually deserve to be a first round pick they will turn the fortunes of that team around quickly.

This is a bit unique in the sense that when you say this about a guy not selected in round 1.    But I think it can actually happen.   Obviously there are no guarantees, but I like this kid a lot.  in the old days when drop back, pocket passers were all the rage, a guy like this MIGHT have been a first round pick.

I do think at some point the pendulum will swing and people will realize there is still a lot of value in the pocket passer.  Not everyone can be Lamar Jackson or Jaylan Hurts.

and for every Lamar, there are likely 2 or 3 Teebow or malik Willis types out there.   The running QB who can actually throw and read a defense is not all that common.   but if the team as a whole is solid from top to bottom, a pocket passer who can throw, read a defense and do a good job with their progressions can still get it done for you.   I think some teams have forgotten this.

[DocNiner 67]

So looks like the Sainys may not win a lot of games thus year putting them.close to maybe getting Arch Manning.if he's.their guy. Buy, not so fast. They have 3 QBs on the roster. Tyler.Shough slots in at QB1. He's 25.but a little old for rookie QBs. Jake Haener is 26 and probably won't see.the field. Spencer Ratller is 24. It'll come down to Rattlet and Shough in training camp. I say Tulet Shough gets the week 1 nod over Rattler. If they hope for Manning next year they should play Shough right away to see what they have. Doubt that he'll light it up but could be serviceable. Olave still.can't stay healthy so their best receiver could be Rashid Shaheed. He's good at getting deep but can Shough get the ball to him? We'll see. I think they'll roll with Shough all year long and could still be in the Manning sweepstakes and if they get him then Shough could be related to #2 on the depth chart. For fantasy Shough would be no more than a lower #3 QB and knly a bye week fill-in or injury replacement unless he turns in some decent games then his stock would move up. Odds are.against the Saints but they have who they have and IMO they should give Shough the nod.