Trial of Karen Read - Thoughts?

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7 minutes ago, artista928 said:

People on the ground says verdict back today...

If I were on that jury I'd want to be home in time for dinner and not worried about going back to the jury room. 

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6 minutes ago, Strike said:

If I were on that jury I'd want to be home in time for dinner and not worried about going back to the jury room. 

Èxactly. Another person who was inside said jurors looked disgusted with Bev with all obvious bias for the cw.

She said this younger jury are not looking like they buy Spanky what he is selling.

Last year it was raining on verdict  day, today it's sunny with a rainbow sighting!

[artista928 21]

They are back in the courtroom... let's go!

[artista928 21]

Shouĺd they go over the weekend, jurors have a paper copy of the instructions.

[HellToupee 1,676]

Still can’t believe they couldn’t mention that the FBI hired ARCCA

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1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

Still can’t believe they couldn’t mention that the FBI hired ARCCA

Corruption

[Gepetto 1,341]

This judge is the judge, jury and executioner of lunch. All she ever talks about is when the food arrives and time for a lunch break, when she's not sustaining Hanky's objections that is, and overruling the Defense objections.

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32 minutes ago, artista928 said:

Corruption

Yea, that is so ridiculous. Jurors should know the FBI investigated this case.

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5 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Yea, that is so ridiculous. Jurors should know the FBI investigated this case.

Also it wasn't let in because it might prejudice the jury. But "the agency" & other investigations words were used & it seems...the jury are smart peeps according to observations from the courtroom, like when they were engaged & went they were dialed out..

[artista928 21]

Listening to AJ's closing again. Wow. More wow from what I missed the first time through. Brilliant! Attorneys chiming in are saying they have never heard a better closing in their lives. Alessi the master even got a cw witness to conclude: reasonable doubt...

Lololol at CW..

[Gepetto 1,341]

55 minutes ago, artista928 said:

Also it wasn't let in because it might prejudice the jury. But "the agency" & other investigations words were used & it seems...the jury are smart peeps according to observations from the courtroom, like when they were engaged & went they were dialed out..

Hope so. Juror from the first trial said they thought maybe it was an insurance company doing the investigation.

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15 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Hope so. Juror from the first trial said they thought maybe it was an insurance company doing the investigation.

That was brought up & pretty sure addressed. Can't remember the details but no lawyers I watch breaking down this trial for us raised a flag on this.

The defense this time around have been as perfect as one can be. They learned from pt 1 & smashed cw. I'm not even going to bother listening to Brennan again

It was revealed last night on The Defense Diaries yt channel (the husband is an attorney) who had Mark Bederow on that the reason why no rebuttal by cw is because cw withheld the xray of the arm. Alessi blew that open so they had to abandon bringing Welcher & an ME back because oops.

Brennan could get himself disbared by withholding critical evidence that showed no way 6000 lb suv going at any speed would do 0. Alessi found it.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,001]

Cliff notes?  Is she guilty or innocent?  What's the consensus with you guys?

[HellToupee 1,676]

58 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Cliff notes?  Is she guilty or innocent?  What's the consensus with you guys?

No a doubt in my mind she’s innocent 

I used Grok for rundown 

Karen Read is accused of killing her boyfriend, Boston police officer John O’Keefe, by striking him with her SUV and leaving him to die in a snowstorm in January 2022. Her defense argues she was framed, and several pieces of evidence and arguments have been presented to support her innocence. Here’s a concise rundown of the key points that her defense claims exonerate her, based on available information:

1. **Inconsistent Injury Evidence**: Defense experts, including biomechanical engineer Andrew Rentschler and forensic pathologist Dr. Elizabeth Laposata, testified that O’Keefe’s injuries—such as a skull fracture and arm wounds—are not consistent with being struck by a vehicle. Rentschler stated that the force required to shatter Read’s taillight would have caused severe fractures in O’Keefe’s arm, which X-rays did not show. Laposata suggested the skull fracture aligns with a fall backward onto a ridged surface, not a car impact.[](https://www.wcvb.com/article/karen-read-retrial-live-updates-june-11/65031911)[](https://www.foxnews.com/us/defense-expert-delivers-devastating-blow-prosecution-theory-karen-read-murder-trial-case-nears-end)

2. **Crash Data Analysis**: Defense expert Daniel Wolfe conducted tests with a crash-test dummy and a Lexus matching Read’s, concluding that the taillight damage was inconsistent with striking a pedestrian at high speed. The tests showed minimal damage to the dummy’s clothing, unlike O’Keefe’s torn sweatshirt, and no significant taillight fragments embedded in the dummy, casting doubt on the prosecution’s claim that Read’s SUV hit O’Keefe.[](https://www.wcvb.com/article/karen-read-retrial-live-updates-june-6/64988754)

3. **Alternate Theory of Death**: The defense argues O’Keefe was beaten inside the home at 34 Fairview Road, possibly attacked by a dog, and left outside. Retired forensic pathologist Dr. Marie Russell testified that O’Keefe’s arm injuries resembled dog bites, though the prosecution countered that no canine DNA was found on O’Keefe’s clothing. This theory suggests a cover-up involving party attendees, including law enforcement officers.[](https://www.boston.com/news/crime/2025/04/08/karen-read-murder-trial-guide-contentious-evidence/)[](https://www.wcvb.com/article/karen-read-murder-case-dna-forensic-evidence-prosecution-document/46908826)

4. **Questionable Police Investigation**: The defense highlighted a “botched and biased” investigation, pointing to mishandled evidence (e.g., blood collected in drinking cups and stored in a shopping bag) and the firing of lead investigator Trooper Michael Proctor for unprofessional conduct, including sending derogatory texts about Read. A surprise police witness, Nicholas Barros, testified that Read’s taillight was less damaged when initially seized, suggesting possible evidence tampering.[](https://www.nytimes.com/article/karen-read-murder-trial.html)[](https://www.wcvb.com/article/whats-changed-since-first-karen-read-trial/64343859)[](https://www.wcvb.com/article/karen-read-first-trial-daily-updates/64149365)

5. **Timeline Discrepancies**: O’Keefe’s fitness tracker showed about 80 steps around the time Read allegedly dropped him off, which the defense argues could indicate he entered the house. Additionally, a controversial Google search on witness Jennifer McCabe’s phone (“hos long to die in cold”) was initially claimed by the defense to have occurred at 2:27 a.m., before O’Keefe was found, but prosecution evidence suggests it happened later, at 6:23 a.m. This discrepancy fuels the defense’s framing narrative.[](https://www.vox.com/culture/359088/karen-read-mistrial-evidence-what-happened)[](https://www.patriotledger.com/story/news/2025/02/06/karen-read-murder-case-john-okeefe-canton-ma-braintree-arcca/78182165007/)

6. **Witness Testimony and Relationships**: The defense pointed to a web of connections among party attendees, including Boston police officers and an ATF agent, Brian Higgins, who had flirty communications with Read. Witnesses like Karina Kolokithas noted odd behavior from Jennifer McCabe, suggesting potential coordination among attendees. The defense implies these relationships led to a cover-up to protect someone else at the party.[](https://www.foxnews.com/us/critical-witness-puts-case-against-karen-read-life-support-lawyer-says)[](https://www.wcvb.com/article/karen-read-murder-trial-canton-massachusetts-john-okeefe-daily-summary/60716733)

7. **Lack of Direct Evidence**: The defense argues the prosecution’s case relies heavily on circumstantial evidence, such as Read’s alleged statements (“I hit him”), which lack context and are disputed. No witnesses saw the alleged collision, and the prosecution’s crash reconstruction was criticized as unreliable by defense attorney Alan Jackson, who called it a “ridiculous blue paint kindergarten project.”[](https://www.foxnews.com/us/defense-hammers-ridiculous-evidence-karen-read-closing-says-case-cooked)[](https://x.com/Free_Karen_Read/status/1796613965658607623)

8. **Public and Juror Sentiment**: Posts on X and reports from the first trial (which ended in a mistrial) indicate skepticism about the prosecution’s narrative, with some jurors reportedly favoring acquittal on the most serious charges. The defense’s alternate theory of a police cover-up has resonated with supporters, as seen in “Free Karen Read” campaigns.[](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/karen-read-trial-jury-verdict-defense-rcna159344)[](https://www.nytimes.com/article/karen-read-murder-trial.html)[](https://x.com/jdemboyz/status/1931028641959358962)

While the prosecution presents evidence like taillight fragments, DNA on Read’s SUV, and her alleged admissions, the defense counters that these are either inconclusive or tainted by investigative flaws. The case remains contentious, with the defense leveraging expert testimony and procedural issues to argue reasonable doubt. However, some sources note that Read’s behavior, like angry voicemails, could sway jurors against her, even if the physical evidence is disputed.[](https://www.nytimes.com/article/karen-read-murder-trial.html)[](https://www.wcvb.com/article/karen-read-retrial-daily-summary-massachusetts-murder-case/64457012)

For the latest updates, check reputable sources like AP News or court documents, as the case is ongoing with deliberations starting June 13, 2025.[](https://www.foxnews.com/us/defense-hammers-ridiculous-evidence-karen-read-closing-says-case-cooked)[](https://apnews.com/live/karen-read-trial-boston-opening-statements)

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[artista928 21]

Watch full closing arguments, both sides, here.

Witness the masterful Jackson vs reachinggggg Brennon

Science data vs personal nararatves, opinions & paint by numbers....

Hanky is using character assassination by emphasising her drinking & driving using her clips.He's speaking to the hold outs because facts are not on his side. In the 1st trial, no KR clips. The hold outs were those honed in the drinking & driving. This is all cw has..

[artista928 21]

Love Rob of Law & Lumber & with Ian Runkle who comes in as a guest every Friday. Both lawyers. Ian's channel is Runkle Of The Bailey.

Long stream on closings tonight but nicely timed stamped. Great picking things out & explaining. Jackson starts 49 min in.

 

[artista928 21]

Some think jury reached a verdict but are taking the weekend to make sure no one changes their mind..

See you all Monday!

[HellToupee 1,676]

Beach Boys are Free Karen Read

 

[artista928 21]

Alessi's wife filmed Alessi talking about Karen Read at a dinner. We can see Karen's mom too.

https://x.com/alessinator/status/1934078144467570850?t=YUuJn9pd-gCdhcje62Ne7A&s=07

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A MA defense attorney said that there, the judges appoints the foreperson. But this is the only time he knows of that it was appointed first, before the alternates are selected lotto #s style.. So, did she want to make sure this 50 something yo guy who took no notes....a plant?

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So to give a way out for the cw, Karen asked for the stand alone oui/dwi to be on the jury form. She may have been spooked from rumors of the 3 or 4 hold out jurors from pt 1. That juror who gave interviews had said they we like he's dead, she was there & the alternate juror who became part of the defense team may have suggested it too.

In MA it carries up to 2 years in jail. Some say she won't go to jail, but we hav Bev..

[seafoam1 2,906]

13 minutes ago, artista928 said:

So to give a way out for the cw, Karen asked for the stand alone oui/dwi to be on the jury form. She may have been spooked from rumors of the 3 or 4 hold out jurors from pt 1. That juror who gave interviews had said they we like he's dead, she was there & the alternate juror who became part of the defense team may have suggested it too.

In MA it carries up to 2 years in jail. Some say she won't go to jail, but we hav Bev..

Never heard OUI before. Does that cover operating any machinery? 

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11 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Never heard OUI before. Does that cover operating any machinery? 

Dui, Dwi. I don't know

Btw, I watched this stream who had an excellent panel of lawyers that us lawtuber fans know well including one in MA shed light on stuff I didn't know or realize.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zw9pb8Bdv6g&t=9285s

 

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Watched most of the closing arguments; all of the defense and some of the CW's.  I don't know about the DUI charge; didn't know it was even one of the charges.  But for the rest can't believe the verdict won't be acquittal.  The defense did such a good job using science to show it couldn't have happened the way the CW says, and highlighting the extreme corruption and incompetence that happened in the investigation.  Even if she were convicted, they have so many things to appeal on, but I don't think an appeal will be necessary.

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2 hours ago, Strike said:

Watched most of the closing arguments; all of the defense and some of the CW's.  I don't know about the DUI charge; didn't know it was even one of the charges.  But for the rest can't believe the verdict won't be acquittal.  The defense did such a good job using science to show it couldn't have happened the way the CW says, and highlighting the extreme corruption and incompetence that happened in the investigation.  Even if she were convicted, they have so many things to appeal on, but I don't think an appeal will be necessary.

You'd be surprised. I watch a lot of lawyers who do commentary on trials of interest who are in pràctice themselves & have all warned us that it could happen. Those of us who watched the 1st trial gavel to gavel thought no way, yet 3 or 4 jurors thought he was there, she was there & drunk & nothing else mattered. Remember Arcca was in the last trial with their data & science...

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2 hours ago, Gepetto said:

There isn't even a line on the jury verdict form that reads Not Guilty.

There is next to each charge. The fiŕst trial's forms weren't clear. These are better.

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18 hours ago, artista928 said:

A MA defense attorney said that there, the judges appoints the foreperson. But this is the only time he knows of that it was appointed first, before the alternates are selected lotto #s style.. So, did she want to make sure this 50 something yo guy who took no notes....a plant?

I don't know how one guy could be a plant for the prosecution. He'd still have to convince the other 11.

However, it was weird. She just got finished telling the jurors that the 12 deliberating jurors would picked at random, then she went ahead and picked a jury foreperson. (Well, asked, and the person said Yes).

So basically it went like: "We will select the 12 jurors by a random lottery. By the way, Juror #5, would you like to be on the jury?" 

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2 hours ago, Thornton Melon said:

I don't know how one guy could be a plant for the prosecution. He'd still have to convince the other 11.

However, it was weird. She just got finished telling the jurors that the 12 deliberating jurors would picked at random, then she went ahead and picked a jury foreperson. (Well, asked, and the person said Yes).

So basically it went like: "We will select the 12 jurors by a random lottery. By the way, Juror #5, would you like to be on the jury?" 

What it is, if the foreman assuming he is a plant sees the jurors are all heading to ng he'd hold out to make it a mistrial. That way they'd have a 3rd retrial. A lawyer in MA said on the guest livestream I linked above that you can retrial as many times as cw wants. They have unlimited funds. So it's not uncommon to see 3, 4 retrials in MA... & this one we are talking about a cop cover up/ frame job so it's not wild to think the jury may be rigged. 

Yes, picking the foreman before randomly drawing the deliberators is sus.... Bev wanted this guy to be in for sure for a reason... Not how they do it even in MA per the lawyer who practices there... But judges can do it if they want without giving any reason...

[Gepetto 1,341]

I also didn't see them show that the random numbers drawn included all of the juror number. They could have rigged it to only include the jurors they thought were pro-Karen to send them home. I don't trust Judgey Bevey.

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9 hours ago, artista928 said:

What it is, if the foreman assuming he is a plant sees the jurors are all heading to ng he'd hold out to make it a mistrial. That way they'd have a 3rd retrial. A lawyer in MA said on the guest livestream I linked above that you can retrial as many times as cw wants. They have unlimited funds. So it's not uncommon to see 3, 4 retrials in MA... & this one we are talking about a cop cover up/ frame job so it's not wild to think the jury may be rigged. 

Yes, picking the foreman before randomly drawing the deliberators is sus.... Bev wanted this guy to be in for sure for a reason... Not how they do it even in MA per the lawyer who practices there... But judges can do it if they want without giving any reason...

Yeah, I guess you could look at it that way. The state said they would re-try again if it was a hung jury.

I don't know where this MA lawyer you speak of gets the notion that 3 or 4 retrials in MA is a thing. I've lived here my entire 61 years of existence, and I can only think of one high profile trial that went to 3 trials. Years ago, some guy was accused of murdering his wife on a boat and tossing her body overboard. The first trial ended up 6-6, the first retrial was 9-3 to convict, and the 3rd trial was 11-1 to convict. The state gave up, and the guy walked.

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2 hours ago, Thornton Melon said:

Yeah, I guess you could look at it that way. The state said they would re-try again if it was a hung jury.

I don't know where this MA lawyer you speak of gets the notion that 3 or 4 retrials in MA is a thing. I've lived here my entire 61 years of existence, and I can only think of one high profile trial that went to 3 trials. Years ago, some guy was accused of murdering his wife on a boat and tossing her body overboard. The first trial ended up 6-6, the first retrial was 9-3 to convict, and the 3rd trial was 11-1 to convict. The state gave up, and the guy walked.

Not a thing per se, but he said it happens. Since this case is a cover up for a cop, they will want to keep trying. I mean look at JOK fam. They all want her locked up. One fam used to sit in the seat closest to the judge & would just stare KR down with contempt. Defense complained & Bev told him he needs to sit at the end, behind the defense people.

I am now convinced that ATF Higgins did it.

I'm watching Defense Diaries (husband wife attnys) right now as they are explaining things while we wait. Also Attny Melànie Liitle who is showing the defensè has filed a motion to ammend the jury slip because it's confusing.

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20 minutes ago, artista928 said:

Not a thing per se, but he said it happens. Since this case is a cover up for a cop, they will want to keep trying. I mean look at JOK fam. They all want her locked up. One fam used to sit in the seat closest to the judge & would just stare KR down with contempt. Defense complained & Bev told him he needs to sit at the end, behind the defense people.

I am now convinced that ATF Higgins did it.

I'm watching Defense Diaries (husband wife attnys) right now as they are explaining things while we wait. Also Attny Melànie Liitle who is showing the defensè has filed a motion to ammend the jury slip because it's confusing.

I dunno.  If I'm the CW, each trial makes it look more and more corrupt and like they are unwilling to investigate/prosecute the real killer because it's a cop, and I'm not sure they want to keep letting the defense make that case.  

[Gepetto 1,341]

Jury is being sent home for the day. No verdict today.

[artista928 21]

The lawyers I watch aren't worried. It's a 6 week case & most jurors take their jobs seriously to look at everything even if they know.

No court Thursday. Friday unknown. Prediction is by end day Wed verdict if not tomorrow. If Friday court is open or not, do the jurors want time off in middle of deliberations?

[artista928 21]

It is effing maddening seeing some hell bent on she's guilty, & one guy says you can tell her father knew on Twitter!

[HellToupee 1,676]

16 minutes ago, artista928 said:

It is effing maddening seeing some hell bent on she's guilty, & one guy says you can tell her father knew on Twitter!

There are some real sickos on twitter who hate Karen Read because they hate Turtleboy . 

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9 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

There are some real sickos on twitter who hate Karen Read because they hate Turtleboy . 

That too.

[Herbivore 1,123]

28 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

There are some real sickos on twitter who hate Karen Read because they hate Turtleboy . 

just curious..why do people hate Turtleboy?

[Gepetto 1,341]

Turtleboy is focking awesome. He doesn't hold back and calls out all the liars from the investigation and Albert house and all the dumbasses on Court TV.