seafoam1 3,031 Posted June 28 6 minutes ago, thegeneral said: They’ll pass all this regardless of what’s in it before their month of August vacation. Can’t have that interrupted! Once they do it will add trillions to the debt. Next time any of these focking dopes starts going on about putting the kids in debt or how the government needs to be run like your budget (typically when Dems control the House) remember to laugh. You don't know what's in the bill do you? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted June 28 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: You don't know what's in the bill do you? No one does they are still making shet up in it. Whatever it is, they will get it done before their month of vacay. Guarantee it adds trillions to the deficit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, thegeneral said: No one does they are still making shet up in it. Whatever it is, they will get it done before their month of vacay. Guarantee it adds trillions to the deficit. The liberals will definitely tell you that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted June 28 Just now, seafoam1 said: The liberals will definitely tell you that. Thats what will happen. Guarantee. You can play dumb and pretend it doesn’t happen. I’ll put the over / under at 3 trillion added to the debt over next decade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 28 14 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: You don't know what's in the bill do you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted June 28 5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Remember to prepare your speech about debt and how it’s ruining the country next time Dems run Congress Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 112 Posted June 28 Trump spreads lies about Big Boondoggle Bill http://Fact check: Trump makes big false claims about his big domestic policy bill https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/28/politics/fact-check-trump-big-beautiful-bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted June 28 "Wind and solar projects". 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Sandy Loam said: Trump spreads lies about Big Boondoggle Bill http://Fact check: Trump makes big false claims about his big domestic policy bill https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/28/politics/fact-check-trump-big-beautiful-bill Trump 2024!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sandy Loam 112 Posted June 29 28 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Damn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted June 29 5 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said: Damn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SUXBNME 1,503 Posted June 29 1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said: Does this mean you like Elon again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,539 Posted June 29 All night reading of this disaster. Who would have thought that cutting a trillion from healthcare for poor people while adding $5T in debt would be so unpopular? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,316 Posted June 29 Lots of horse trading, arm twisting, and heavy lifting but these are the twists and turns you have to navigate when your majorities in Congress are so small. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted June 29 The Republican senators who were very concerned about the spending all ended up voting for it at the last minute before vacation. No way! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,539 Posted June 29 10 minutes ago, thegeneral said: The Republican senators who were very concerned about the spending all ended up voting for it at the last minute before vacation. No way! For 4 years all we heard was about how Biden is bankrupting the country. Now, eh what's another $5T in debt. Suckers. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 29 10k more ICE agents. Just in time to save democracy. Funny thing is, the majority of them will be minorities. lol. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,134 Posted June 29 21 hours ago, thegeneral said: Thats what will happen. Guarantee. You can play dumb and pretend it doesn’t happen. I’ll put the over / under at 3 trillion added to the debt over next decade. he ain't playing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted June 29 43 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: For 4 years all we heard was about how Biden is bankrupting the country. Now, eh what's another $5T in debt. Suckers. You don't even know what's in the bill. You listen to Dean Obeidallah all day and night and just do what he tells you to do and say what he tells you to say. You liberals are like zombies under your leaders. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted June 29 My understanding is that, very cleverly, most of the pain caused by this bill begins AFTER the midterms. Meanwhile there is a temporary tax reduction for Social Security which starts immediately but goes away…after the midterms. So transparent. But who knows, it might work. As old Abe said, the people CAN be fooled some of the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted June 29 As for the MAGA crowd, many if not most of them will be financially worse off but since this bill sticks it to undocumented immigrants they don’t care. They also want to make liberals cry. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted June 29 15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: As for the MAGA crowd, many if not most of them will be financially worse off but since this bill sticks it to undocumented immigrants they don’t care. They also want to make liberals cry. You've been saying things like this for months. Your fear mongering is old and tired. It didn't work before, and it's not working now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 29 I fail to see how this bill will make me worse off. But I know if it doesn’t pass I for sure will be. Tim, please bring me up to speed. Thanks. Unless you’re just saying stuff again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 29 Newsome just slashed healthcare for immigrants in California. That doesn’t seem to bother Tim and Squishy. Trump! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted June 29 26 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I fail to see how this bill will make me worse off. But I know if it doesn’t pass I for sure will be. Tim, please bring me up to speed. Thanks. Unless you’re just saying stuff again. Sure. Anything that increases the debt this much (estimated 5 trillion dollars) shrinks the value of the dollar. Your spending power will be considerably less over time. The continued tax break you think you’re getting won’t make up for it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 29 6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Sure. Anything that increases the debt this much (estimated 5 trillion dollars) shrinks the value of the dollar. Your spending power will be considerably less over time. The continued tax break you think you’re getting won’t make up for it. Oh. So wouldn’t that hurt everyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,937 Posted June 29 14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Sure. Anything that increases the debt this much (estimated 5 trillion dollars) shrinks the value of the dollar. Your spending power will be considerably less over time. The continued tax break you think you’re getting won’t make up for it. Buy physical gold and silver. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,431 Posted June 29 Tax cuts, deregulation, cuts to Medicaid/SNAP, and deficit spending. Looks like something Jeb would pass. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted June 29 23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Oh. So wouldn’t that hurt everyone? Of course. ETA - actually it could be argued that some very rich people get richer. Though even that’s debatable, since being rich only improves you if you live in a relatively secure society. And stuff like this creates instability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Of course. ETA - actually it could be argued that some very rich people get richer. Though even that’s debatable, since being rich only improves you if you live in a relatively secure society. And stuff like this creates instability. Oh, so it won’t just be maga. You’re more concerned with saying ha ha! Than you are with making a serious point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted June 29 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Oh, so it won’t just be maga. You’re more concerned with saying ha ha! Than you are with making a serious point. Not at all. I cited MAGA because my point is that they will support anything Trump does no matter whether it’s good for them or not. If you disagree with this statement, you’re welcome to provide an example or when it hasn’t been so in the last 10 years. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 29 11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Not at all. I cited MAGA because my point is that they will support anything Trump does no matter whether it’s good for them or not. If you disagree with this statement, you’re welcome to provide an example or when it hasn’t been so in the last 10 years. I received a tax break during his first term and have benefited since. And if this bill does not pass I will be paying more. Discuss. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted June 29 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I received a tax break during his first term and have benefited since. And if this bill does not pass I will be paying more. Discuss. I already did. I wrote that your tax break does not make up for the fact that your spending power is less. You’re actually worse off now than you were then. Financially you haven’t benefited. It shouldn’t be too difficult for you to verify if I am right about this though only you can do it: first, compare your net annual income in 2017 (when the first bill passed to now.) Second, compare average prices in 2017 to now. I am betting that any benefit you received specifically from the tax cut is inconsequential compared to the increased costs that you spend now on household goods. But you tell me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,031 Posted June 29 Just now, The Real timschochet said: I already did. I wrote that your tax break does not make up for the fact that your spending power is less. You’re actually worse off now than you were then. Financially you haven’t benefited. It shouldn’t be too difficult for you to verify if I am right about this though only you can do it: first, compare your net annual income in 2017 (when the first bill passed to now.) Second, compare average prices in 2017 to now. I am betting that any benefit you received specifically from the tax cut is inconsequential compared to the increased costs that you spend now on household goods. But you tell me. Lay out the details of the bill. Bet you can't. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 29 1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said: I already did. I wrote that your tax break does not make up for the fact that your spending power is less. You’re actually worse off now than you were then. Financially you haven’t benefited. It shouldn’t be too difficult for you to verify if I am right about this though only you can do it: first, compare your net annual income in 2017 (when the first bill passed to now.) Second, compare average prices in 2017 to now. I am betting that any benefit you received specifically from the tax cut is inconsequential compared to the increased costs that you spend now on household goods. But you tell me. Well, the inflation you speak of was primarily due to Covid spending and Biden spending. Inflation was in check 2017- first half of 2020. Post Trump tax cut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 29 I also like how liberals like Tim act as if brining in millions of poor people and giving them benefits and cash has no affect on the price of things. Which makes no sense. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,769 Posted June 29 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Well, the inflation you speak of was primarily due to Covid spending and Biden spending. Inflation was in check 2017- first half of 2020. Post Trump tax cut. You’re arguing that Trump’s tax cut has nothing to do with inflation? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,438 Posted June 29 7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: You’re arguing that Trump’s tax cut has nothing to do with inflation? I said in check. Are you arguing it wasn’t? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegeneral 3,214 Posted June 29 2 hours ago, MDC said: Tax cuts, deregulation, cuts to Medicaid/SNAP, and deficit spending. Looks like something Jeb would pass. Trump got tax cuts through with a Republican Congress. Amazing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
