Ron_Artest 1,544 Posted July 4 6 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said: Still no proof. Just talking points. The proof is the bill. Stop gaslighting. The bill reduces Medicaid and snap funding. Does it not? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,998 Posted July 4 26 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: people will starve There it is folks! Let the fear mongering begin 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: The proof is the bill. Stop gaslighting. The bill reduces Medicaid and snap funding. Does it not? It does. He doesn't contest that. He just wants you to tell him who is seeing their benefits get cut. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,448 Posted July 4 What kind of person goes to another country and then expects them to feed you? They aren’t sending their best 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,998 Posted July 4 5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: The bill reduces Medicaid and snap funding. Absolutely For illegal aliens Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,544 Posted July 4 11 minutes ago, Voltaire said: It does. He doesn't contest that. He just wants you to tell him who is seeing their benefits get cut. Millions of Americans. It's not just able bodied people that will lose their coverage, which is bad enough, but there are other provisions put in place to get to the trillion in cuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,544 Posted July 4 10 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: Absolutely For illegal aliens And 10M Americans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 1,783 Posted July 4 illegals kicked off Medicaid a study from 2023 , you can imagine the numbers today after the final flood of illegals in 24 59% of ILLEGAL aliens get some kind of tax-payer funded welfare. —— Immigrant headed households get 54% —— US Born households get 39% • 22% of ILLEGAL aliens get some kind of tax-payer funded Cash Assistance. —— Immigrant headed households get 22% —— US Born households get 16% • 42% of ILLEGAL aliens get tax-payer funded Food Assistance. —— Immigrant headed households get 36% —— US Born households get 25% • 42% of ILLEGAL aliens get tax-payer funded Medicaid. —— Immigrant headed households get 37% —— US Born households get 25% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJuly 210 Posted July 4 Everyone is going to starve to death!!!!!!!!! Millions of people just dead in the middle of the street!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,998 Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: And 10M Americans Who??? Which ones??? Say it already!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,544 Posted July 4 5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: Who??? Which ones??? Say it already!!!! You want names and addresses? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,034 Posted July 4 5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: Who??? Which ones??? Say it already!!!! He's as smart as mdc. So...basically he doesn't know what the fock he's talking about. Ever. They just make shlt up to fear monger in the name of hatred. Next up to prove how smart they aren't....the two tims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,544 Posted July 4 8 minutes ago, JuneJuly said: Everyone is going to starve to death!!!!!!!!! Millions of people just dead in the middle of the street!!!!! RIP Horseman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,998 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: You want names and addresses? Stop avoiding the question. What AMERICANS are going to lose health care and die? You said it, now clarify. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted July 4 21 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Millions of Americans. It's not just able bodied people that will lose their coverage, which is bad enough, but there are other provisions put in place to get to the trillion in cuts. No, you[r'e wrong. That's why he wants you to look it up. Because you've been lied to and are here spreading your masters' lies. Or maybe I am the one being lied to. You think its me being lied to. Hey, I'm out on a limb here as saying only illegal immigrants and sh*tbags smoking pot and playing video games all day in thier mom's basement are being cut off. I'm saying that this bill would never have passed if it affected kids or working families. Come and chop me off if you can because I've also got a chainsaw in my hand aimed at your limb. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,544 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said: Stop avoiding the question. What AMERICANS are going to lose health care and die? You said it, now clarify. You're not making any sense. The bill doesn't specify who they are kicking off by name. The bill puts forth certain provisions that Americans must now abide by in order to receive Medicaid. The intent is to lower the number of Americans and they have in turn lowered the Medicaid funding. It's all in the bill. Trying to deny it just makes you look stupid. You would be better off being honest by saying you don't think the federal govt should be funding healthcare to the degree that it did. Just admit that you believe in less social programs for Americans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,998 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: The bill doesn't specify who they are kicking off Thank you, the defense rests. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,034 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: You're not making any sense. The bill doesn't specify who they are kicking off by name. The bill puts forth certain provisions that Americans must now abide by in order to receive Medicaid. The intent is to lower the number of Americans and they have in turn lowered the Medicaid funding. It's all in the bill. Trying to deny it just makes you look stupid. You would be better off being honest by saying you don't think the federal govt should be funding healthcare to the degree that it did. Just admit that you believe in less social programs for Americans. So gutterboy is now admitting he's got nothing. But still saying the lies. He thinks everyone, including illegals should get medicaid. Liberals are precious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Hunt 282 Posted July 4 Senior citizens got a nice break with the elimination of federal taxes on Social Security finally. Many are struggling to make ends meet and this will help. SS was never meant to be taxed in the first place. Squistion will like this part of the bill to give him some extra pocket $$$. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,544 Posted July 4 9 minutes ago, Voltaire said: No, you[r'e wrong. That's why he wants you to look it up. Because you've been lied to and are here spreading your masters' lies. Or maybe I am the one being lied to. You think its me being lied to. Hey, I'm out on a limb here as saying only illegal immigrants and sh*tbags smoking pot and playing video games all day in thier mom's basement are being cut off. I'm saying that this bill would never have passed if it affected kids or working families. Come and chop me off if you can. I get it. Unfortunately you are being lied to. There are independent analysis estimating it will be more than just a bags and illegals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted July 4 2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: You're not making any sense. The bill doesn't specify who they are kicking off by name. The bill puts forth certain provisions that Americans must now abide by in order to receive Medicaid. The intent is to lower the number of Americans and they have in turn lowered the Medicaid funding. It's all in the bill. Trying to deny it just makes you look stupid. You would be better off being honest by saying you don't think the federal govt should be funding healthcare to the degree that it did. Just admit that you believe in less social programs for Americans. Not by name. Stop trying to weasel out of this you enterally lying degenerate sh*tbag. The bill identifies those being cut off by description. Illegals and those able bodied who refuse to work/look for work. We want you to show us who the language that w're wrong and who else is getting cut off. I'm saying I wathced this debate and know that this bill had a 0% chance of passing if it affected the disabled, kids or working class families as you pretend you are claiming. We know you're being lied to all the time, then regurgitate those lies here constantly and forever demonstrating how gullible, stupid and perverted you are. I'm on a limb. Cut me off. Prove me wrong or go fock off again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,544 Posted July 4 8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: Thank you, the defense rests. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,998 Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: There are independent analysis estimating it will be more than just a bags and illegals. Show us your data! I guarantee you that it's all Liberal Bullshizz. Show us!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,448 Posted July 4 The Ice caps are melting! Melting! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuneJuly 210 Posted July 4 19 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said: Senior citizens got a nice break with the elimination of federal taxes on Social Security finally. Many are struggling to make ends meet and this will help. SS was never meant to be taxed in the first place. Squistion will like this part of the bill to give him some extra pocket $$$. Not eliminated, 6,000 deduction (12,000 for couples) over 65 and under the income thresholds. And they expire in 2028 along with the no tax on tips and overtime. They'll have to do it all over again in 2028. Tax brackets are permanent though, finally. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,448 Posted July 4 Money in this bill for DHS to provide for illegals that choose to self deport. Plane ride home and 1k per. Thats a very generous and humane offer. If they choose not to and end up in a detention center that’s on them now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said: I get it. Unfortunately you are being lied to. There are independent analysis estimating it will be more than just a bags and illegals. You are a 100.00000% confirmable liar. I win. You lose. Again. I think this brings our lifetime score is 34 to 0. The Bill is enormous so, I don't expect you to read the whole thing, only two minutes for the relevant part regarding access to Medicaid. Not only is it an easily digestible bit but I went to the trouble of finding it for you and everyone else here to read it for themselves. You can look up the whole thing here: Text of H.R. 1: One Big Beautiful Bill Act (Passed the Senate with an Amendment version) - GovTrack.us Strengthening eligibility requirements 71201. Limiting Medicare coverage of certain individuals Title XVIII of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new section: 1899C. Limiting Medicare coverage of certain individuals (a) In general Subject to subsection (b), an individual may be entitled to, or enrolled for, benefits under this title only if the individual is— (1) a citizen or national of the United States; (2) an alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence under the Immigration and Nationality Act; (3) an alien who has been granted the status of Cuban and Haitian entrant, as defined in section 501(e) of the Refugee Education Assistance Act of 1980 (Public Law 96–422); or (4) an individual who lawfully resides in the United States in accordance with a Compact of Free Association referred to in section 402(b)(2)(G) of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996. (b) Application to individuals currently entitled to or enrolled for benefits (1) In general In the case of an individual who is entitled to, or enrolled for, benefits under this title as of the date of the enactment of this section, subsection (a) shall apply beginning on the date that is 18 months after such date of enactment. (2) Review by commissioner of social security (A) In general Not later than 1 year after the date of the enactment of this section, the Commissioner of Social Security shall complete a review of individuals entitled to, or enrolled for, benefits under this title as of such date of enactment for purposes of identifying individuals not described in any of paragraphs (1) through (4) of subsection (a). (B) Notice The Commissioner of Social Security shall notify each individual identified under the review conducted under subparagraph (A) that such individual's entitlement to, or enrollment for, benefits under this title will be terminated as of the date that is 18 months after the date of the enactment of this section. Such notification shall be made as soon as practicable after such identification and in a manner designed to ensure such individual's comprehension of such notification. . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,544 Posted July 4 @Voltaire just when I was ready to thank you for being honest and open to learning you post that If you can't Google I'll do it for you but I'm pretty busy this morning. Maybe someone else will help you otherwise I'll do it later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,998 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said: The proof is the bill. Stop gaslighting. The bill reduces Medicaid and snap funding. Does it not? You can't handle the truth https://x.com/gotrice2024/status/1940934568430932174 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,034 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said: You can't handle the truth https://x.com/gotrice2024/status/1940934568430932174 guttboy is now following SonnyBoy around because he can't read the bill himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,448 Posted July 4 7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: @Voltaire just when I was ready to thank you for being honest and open to learning you post that If you can't Google I'll do it for you but I'm pretty busy this morning. Maybe someone else will help you otherwise I'll do it later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,317 Posted July 4 7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: @Voltaire just when I was ready to thank you for being honest and open to learning you post that If you can't Google I'll do it for you but I'm pretty busy this morning. Maybe someone else will help you otherwise I'll do it later. The personal attack was over the top to goad you deeper. I know better. Sorry I really have been trying but you were just a dangling pinata that was too juicy to pass up. I get tired of your constant lies, mistruths, weaseling, but in this case I went all in because knew you had boxed yourself in and knew in advance how easy it would be to prove you wrong by digging up the passage about Medicaid eligibility directly from the bill itself. Its a holiday which is the reason I finally have free time to post at 8:30 AM. But yeah, a lot of people have special plans for that very same reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,034 Posted July 4 Watching the liberals crack is simply a glorious side note benefit of this bill. Oh hell yeah. Trump is the man. Winning!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,998 Posted July 4 @Ron_Artest Lost in miserable embarrassing fashion, as usual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,699 Posted July 4 32 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: @Ron_Artest Lost in miserable embarrassing fashion, as usual. he was schlonged! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 6,777 Posted July 4 According to this: https://www.medicarerights.org/medicare-watch/2025/07/03/final-house-vote-looms-on-devastating-health-and-food-assistance-cuts There will be millions of legal American citizens who will be cut off from Medicare, not just undocumented people and folks who don’t work but could- as @Voltaire and several other people are implying. Obviously SOMEBODY is being lied to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted July 4 Get a job. Or prove you can’t. Be here legally or get the F out its that simple 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351 Posted July 4 9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: According to this: https://www.medicarerights.org/medicare-watch/2025/07/03/final-house-vote-looms-on-devastating-health-and-food-assistance-cuts There will be millions of legal American citizens who will be cut off from Medicare, not just undocumented people and folks who don’t work but could- as @Voltaire and several other people are implying. Obviously SOMEBODY is being lied to. Don’t you love how propaganda sights put org at the end so you think it’s something official. It’s a liberal rag giving their opinion and you can tell by the language they use. So this is false Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Hunt 282 Posted July 4 1 hour ago, JuneJuly said: Not eliminated, 6,000 deduction (12,000 for couples) over 65 and under the income thresholds. And they expire in 2028 along with the no tax on tips and overtime. They'll have to do it all over again in 2028. Tax brackets are permanent though, finally. At least it puts some money back in the pockets of seniors. The Social Security Administration (SSA) is celebrating the passage of the One Big, Beautiful Bill, a landmark piece of legislation that delivers long-awaited tax relief to millions of older Americans. The bill ensures that nearly 90% of Social Security beneficiaries will no longer pay federal income taxes on their benefits, providing meaningful and immediate relief to seniors who have spent a lifetime contributing to our nation's economy. “This is a historic step forward for America’s seniors,” said Social Security Commissioner Frank Bisignano. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shadrap 228 Posted July 4 1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Don’t you love how propaganda sights put org at the end so you think it’s something official. It’s a liberal rag giving their opinion and you can tell by the language they use. So this is false Meet the staff of this rag: https://www.medicarerights.org/staff 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
