Girls' track and field athletes don't stand on podium next to trans athlete at Oregon state championship

[Mike Honcho 5,415]

On 6/2/2025 at 2:49 PM, Mark Davis said:

I know that in our state, slots for sectionals and state meets are limited.  So if a biological male is involved, it takes the spot of a female.  There are a fixed number of entries allowed for the top qualifiers in each event.  So even if this male qualifies in the furthest north section in the state, someone in the furthest south section could be impacted because their wild card slot could be taken.  A lot of girls here their HS goal is to one day make the state meet.  It sounds like a low bar, but we had one girl who got a Division I scholarship not make it until her senior year and she was only about three slots from the last qualifier in one of her events.  Some of these meets are extremely hard to make and are decided by times, even if it's from other sections ran at different locations.  So they don't even have to be in the same area to be impacted.

I'll use one event I know about bc of my daughter's involvement.  To make the 1600m girls finals in our largest class, the qualifying time is 5:45.  Well, just because you run a 5:45 at sectionals doesn't qualify you.  Each section has so many slots (5), so if they have enough girls qualify, those girls make it.  So let's say that fifth girl runs 5:25, everyone after 5:25 until 5:45 goes into a wild card pool with similar people from all the other sections.  There are four of those statewide plus if any section fails to qualify enough runners to use all its slots that can add to the four.  I can't recall a time the state meet ever had empty slots, so 5:45 won't get you there.  So by default, anyone who qualifies knocks someone else out.

Even assuming that's the case in Oregon, there are 6 divisions. So the tranny would only be affecting the ones in that division and event.  Just saying since we're picking nits and stuff.   

 

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Oregon high school sports are organized into six classifications by the Oregon School Activities Association (OSAA). These classifications, ranging from 1A to 6A, are based on school enrollment. The OSAA has been considering potential changes to this system, including reducing the number of classifications to five, according to OregonLive.com. The classifications are: 

 

• 1A: Schools with fewer than 74 students.
• 2A: Schools with 75 to 145 students.
• 3A: Schools with 146 to 310 students.
• 4A: Schools with 311 to 607 students.
• 5A: Schools with 608 to 1004 students.
• 6A: Schools with 1005 or more students.

 

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[Mark Davis 424]

26 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Even assuming that's the case in Oregon, there are 6 divisions. So the tranny would only be affecting the ones in that division and event.  Just saying since we're picking nits and stuff.   

 

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So your argument is you're only screwing over one classification of girls?  I'm not sure why that's alright and what you're arguing for but it's a bizarre argument to me.

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[Maximum Overkill 2,424]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

When you take a dump in public, does the person in the stall next to you affect you? That must be awkward. 

Ask any normal Woman if they want Diks in Girl's bathrooms. It doesn't matter that you do. Ask a Woman.  

[MDC 7,860]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Ask any normal Woman if they want Diks in Girl's bathrooms. It doesn't matter that you do. Ask a Woman.  

I doubt any normal woman thinks about tranny diik in bathrooms even 0.000001% as often as you do, manbag.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,424]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I doubt any normal woman thinks about tranny diik in bathrooms even 0.000001% as often as you do, manbag.  

As a ghey Man you don't know because you have no Women in your life besides your Lesbian Mother who identifies as a Man anyway. 

[MDC 7,860]

42 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

As a ghey Man you don't know because you have no Women in your life besides your Lesbian Mother who identifies as a Man anyway. 

As a black male do you keep your trans obsession on the “down low”?  

[Reality 3,121]

2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Even assuming that's the case in Oregon, there are 6 divisions. So the tranny would only be affecting the ones in that division and event.  Just saying since we're picking nits and stuff.   

 

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Man, some of you really do just suck at being a human. Imagine posting this and thinking you made a good point. 

What a focking clown 

[jbycho 756]

9 minutes ago, Reality said:

Man, some of you really do just suck at being a human. Imagine posting this and thinking you made a good point. 

What a focking clown 

Truth. 

[jerryskids 7,068]

1 hour ago, Mark Davis said:

So your argument is you're only screwing over one classification of girls?  I'm not sure why that's alright and what you're arguing for but it's a bizarre argument to me.

I agree, it's a weird argument.  "The guy only impacts one classification, so it's OK to screw that classification over."  

Perhaps I'm missing his point though.   

[Mike Honcho 5,415]

2 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

So your argument is you're only screwing over one classification of girls?  I'm not sure why that's alright and what you're arguing for but it's a bizarre argument to me.

I didn't make any argument other than the one I stated that since we were nitpicking the whether "all" females were affected or not, I would nitpick your nitpick. That's all - don't read anything more into it.

[Mike Honcho 5,415]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I agree, it's a weird argument.  "The guy only impacts one classification, so it's OK to screw that classification over."  

Perhaps I'm missing his point though.   

I wasn't really making a point, just arguing the entire silly "all" argument---since Mark felt the need to say that it might be all since it might affect athletes from other areas---I just wanted to be a smart ass and say in this one case we are talking about, it doesn't affect all the athletes.  That's it, so let's just leave it at...  Why so serious. 

 

[jerryskids 7,068]

33 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I wasn't really making a point, just arguing the entire silly "all" argument---since Mark felt the need to say that it might be all since it might affect athletes from other areas---I just wanted to be a smart ass and say in this one case we are talking about, it doesn't affect all the athletes.  That's it, so let's just leave it at...  Why so serious. 

 

Gotcha.  I guess my levity/snark meter was on the fritz.   

I think the "all" argument is a bit of a stretch, but also depending on your frame of reference.  All female athletes can be impacted by males in their sports these days, but all women of childbearing age can be impacted by abortion... but all women of any age can be impacted by males in their safe spaces (bathrooms, locker rooms, etc.).

Arguing this point isn't particularly important to me, so I agree, let's carry on.   

[jbycho 756]

2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

I wasn't really making a point, just arguing the entire silly "all" argument---since Mark felt the need to say that it might be all since it might affect athletes from other areas---I just wanted to be a smart ass and say in this one case we are talking about, it doesn't affect all the athletes.  That's it, so let's just leave it at...  Why so serious. 

 

I know right? If only one member of your immediate family gets murdered that only affects the dead person and not the rest of the family.

Smart thinking peanut. Way to use that old noodle brain of yours. 

[jbycho 756]

Why are all liberals so dumb? 

[Mark Davis 424]

Apparently in California it's ok if you're a male to participate and win in girls track but if you're a girl who celebrates in a way that officials deem inappropriate in the moment, well you're out of luck and disqualified

https://www.ksbw.com/article/salinas-sprinter-disqualified-state-title-celebration/64949936

 

[jbycho 756]

21 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Apparently in California it's ok if you're a male to participate and win in girls track but if you're a girl who celebrates in a way that officials deem inappropriate in the moment, well you're out of luck and disqualified

https://www.ksbw.com/article/salinas-sprinter-disqualified-state-title-celebration/64949936

 

Yep. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,660]

42 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Long ago, on a discussion of abortion, I introduced the concepts of "infinity-minus" and "zero-plus," which actually came from my engineering world.  Abortion advocates are infinity-minus -- their default is that abortion is legal, but we can carve out situations where it is illegal.  I fall into the zero-plus camp, which is the opposite, because I oppose abortion for convenience.  Theoretically you could arrive at the same point with each approach, but it is unlikely, and each is a different mindset.

The point being that while I oppose abortion, I recognize that there are cases worth discussing its legality.  This approach shows empathy and a willingness to negotiate solutions in good faith.  I've had a lot of successful business negotiations with this approach.

Back to trans, I tend to fall into the zero-plus camp as well regarding the privileges of their chosen gender, to use your phrase (which I like).  Obviously, trans advocates like Squissy here are infinity-minus.  But I do it from a backdrop of recognizing the reality that some small number of people truly have gender dysphoria.  From this backdrop, we can have productive discussions with the infinity-minus folks regarding questions like:  what do we do with such people?  What is truly in their best interest?  How do we merge that into a functioning and safe society?  What about children?

I find this approach much more productive and easier to defend than a staunch "zero" stance. 

With abortion, I'm actually fine with making it legal... I just think that the woman killing her kid should have to pay for it.  It's shouldn't be on the taxpayers dime.  Her body, her choice right?  Well, her choice, her money.  Another big talking point by the left is that women struggle making this decision?  Fine, let's either call their bluff or help.  In order to get an abortion, a woman must be required to seek outpatient psychiatric care.  AGAIN, another leftist talking point is how the financial burden on society if the woman is required to keep the child is far more than paying for the abortion.  My argument is that if she's going through mental gymnastics over the decision and then dealing with it... it's far more beneficial for her to pay the couple thousands of dollars to take care of her mental health and abortion then the hundreds of thousands to raise the child.  Personally, I'm against abortion.  I don't think it should be legal.  There are plenty of people out there who want to adopt an infant.  There's people who will pay the mother for the expenses.  Some insurance companies will cover some of those expenses on behalf of the adopting parents.  There are other ways out than abortion.  But, if we're making it legal, fine... you pay for it.  You pay for the mental health help as the result.  It's WAY cheaper than paying for the kid.  Maybe... just maybe, more women will be more responsible in their decision making.

 

As for the trans issue, let them play dress up all they want (if they're an adult), as long as they don't force society to play along.  That's mainly what I mean when I say that the left should abandon their trans movement.  Stop forcing and proposing legislation that requires society to play along in their delusion.  If they TRUELY have a mental health issue, then that's fine, it can be dealt with... the thing is, those people aren't the problem.  The social contagion is the problem.  I'm willing to bet that 99% all trans people in this country are just going through a  phase or are professional victims, have far leftist activist parents, or are just fock'ed in the head.  Those with true gender dysphoria probably make up about 1% of this group.  When laws, policy, and rules are made to cater to these people, it affects all of society, but 100% of all women and all times.  Unlike abortion where it pretty much affect only certain age groups.  Yes, all women go through that age group, but it's only 15% of their life.

[TBayXXXVII 2,660]

17 hours ago, MDC said:

When you take a dump in public, does the person in the stall next to you affect you? That must be awkward. 

When I put myself in that position on purpose, I know what to expect.  I'm not being forced by legislation to deal with it.

[TBayXXXVII 2,660]

On 6/2/2025 at 2:59 PM, Bier Meister said:

it will impact regional seedings, and depending upon the sport and state, it could impact the state rankings as well.

 

seedings: as they move on in playoffs, opponent would change

 

I do think more women are impacted by roe v wade

The trans movement, not just in sports, affects 100% of society.  It directly impacts 100% of all women, disproportionately, on a daily basis.  Abortion affects all women, though only during 15% of their lifetime... but that's potential, as the overwhelmingly vast majority of women in that age group aren't in the situation where it matters.

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15 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

With abortion, I'm actually fine with making it legal... I just think that the woman killing her kid should have to pay for it.  It's shouldn't be on the taxpayers dime.  Her body, her choice right?  Well, her choice, her money.  Another big talking point by the left is that women struggle making this decision?  Fine, let's either call their bluff or help.  In order to get an abortion, a woman must be required to seek outpatient psychiatric care.  AGAIN, another leftist talking point is how the financial burden on society if the woman is required to keep the child is far more than paying for the abortion.  My argument is that if she's going through mental gymnastics over the decision and then dealing with it... it's far more beneficial for her to pay the couple thousands of dollars to take care of her mental health and abortion then the hundreds of thousands to raise the child.  Personally, I'm against abortion.  I don't think it should be legal.  There are plenty of people out there who want to adopt an infant.  There's people who will pay the mother for the expenses.  Some insurance companies will cover some of those expenses on behalf of the adopting parents.  There are other ways out than abortion.  But, if we're making it legal, fine... you pay for it.  You pay for the mental health help as the result.  It's WAY cheaper than paying for the kid.  Maybe... just maybe, more women will be more responsible in their decision making.

 

As for the trans issue, let them play dress up all they want (if they're an adult), as long as they don't force society to play along.  That's mainly what I mean when I say that the left should abandon their trans movement.  Stop forcing and proposing legislation that requires society to play along in their delusion.  If they TRUELY have a mental health issue, then that's fine, it can be dealt with... the thing is, those people aren't the problem.  The social contagion is the problem.  I'm willing to bet that 99% all trans people in this country are just going through a  phase or are professional victims, have far leftist activist parents, or are just fock'ed in the head.  Those with true gender dysphoria probably make up about 1% of this group.  When laws, policy, and rules are made to cater to these people, it affects all of society, but 100% of all women and all times.  Unlike abortion where it pretty much affect only certain age groups.  Yes, all women go through that age group, but it's only 15% of their life.

I would argue that even 1% is WAY too high.  It's probably more like .001%.

[MDC 7,860]

14 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

When I put myself in that position on purpose, I know what to expect.  I'm not being forced by legislation to deal with it.

You’re sort of allergic to answering simple questions.

[TBayXXXVII 2,660]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

You’re sort of allergic to answering simple questions.

I answered every question.  You're just not getting the "gotchya" you were hoping for.  That's a you problem, not a me problem.

[TBayXXXVII 2,660]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I would argue that even 1% is WAY too high.  It's probably more like .001%.

I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[jerryskids 7,068]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

You’re sort of allergic to answering simple questions.

Even if they are silly strawman questions? 

[MDC 7,860]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Even if they are silly strawman questions? 

TB said trans stuff is a more impactful issue to women than abortion. How many women are directly impacted by trannies vs. abortion seemed like a logical question.  

[jerryskids 7,068]

21 minutes ago, MDC said:

TB said trans stuff is a more impactful issue to women than abortion. How many women are directly impacted by trannies vs. abortion seemed like a logical question.  

Here was your question:

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When you take a dump in public, does the person in the stall next to you affect you? That must be awkward. 

That's a strawman for the concern people have regarding men in women's restrooms. 

[MDC 7,860]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Here was your question:

That's a strawman for the concern people have regarding men in women's restrooms. 

I’d asked him what % of women he thinks have either been assaulted by trans in the john or lost a competition of athletic spot to one. TB ducked that question and several others and by that time I just gave up on getting a straight answer.

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’d asked him what % of women he thinks have either been assaulted by trans in the john

Maybe they don't want Men in their bathrooms, did that ever cross your mind Einstein? 

Pervert! 

[jerryskids 7,068]

5 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’d asked him what % of women he thinks have either been assaulted by trans in the john or lost a competition of athletic spot to one. TB ducked that question and several others and by that time I just gave up on getting a straight answer.

It seems odd to me that a person like yourself, from the party of protecting the minority and oppressed, would use the "but it's rare" argument.  As I said earlier though, regarding sports, by definition more straight/regular girls are affected by sports competition than the trans person themself, since that trans person affects the multiple people in their event, over various scopes already discussed here.

So I'm glad we can agree that trans women shouldn't be in women's sports.  

I don't actually feel strongly about the bathroom debate, and I'm not sure what the right answer is.  I was merely pointing out that taking a dump in a stall is not the concern of the opponents.  I'll also add that IMO the concern isn't as much from true gender dysphoria trans people, but rather from bad men who might take advantage of such policy.

[MDC 7,860]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

It seems odd to me that a person like yourself, from the party of protecting the minority and oppressed, would use the "but it's rare" argument.  As I said earlier though, regarding sports, by definition more straight/regular girls are affected by sports competition than the trans person themself, since that trans person affects the multiple people in their event, over various scopes already discussed here.

So I'm glad we can agree that trans women shouldn't be in women's sports.  

I don't actually feel strongly about the bathroom debate, and I'm not sure what the right answer is.  I was merely pointing out that taking a dump in a stall is not the concern of the opponents.  I'll also add that IMO the concern isn't as much from true gender dysphoria trans people, but rather from bad men who might take advantage of such policy.

TB’s original claim was that trans stuff should be more important to women than abortion, since trans stuff affects “every” woman.

We can argue about the #s, but wayyyy more women are going to have an abortion or unwanted pregnancy vs. be assaulted by a tranny in a public bathroom or lose a sports opportunity to one.

And unless we’re talking about being raped by a tranny, the result of abortion laws is way more impactful than sports stuff. I’d bet most women would rather lose a sports competition than have to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.

Any way you slice it, TB’s argument is just dumb. Unfortunately you missed most of it and decided to pester me instead. That’s okay though I like you Jerry.  

 

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10 minutes ago, MDC said:

TB’s original claim was that trans stuff should be more important to women than abortion, since trans stuff affects “every” woman.

We can argue about the #s, but wayyyy more women are going to have an abortion or unwanted pregnancy vs. be assaulted by a tranny in a public bathroom or lose a sports opportunity to one.

And unless we’re talking about being raped by a tranny, the result of abortion laws is way more impactful than sports stuff. I’d bet most women would rather lose a sports competition than have to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.

Any way you slice it, TB’s argument is just dumb. Unfortunately you missed most of it and decided to pester me instead. That’s okay though I like you Jerry.  

 

Women being allowed to kill their kids is way more important than men being allowed into young girls bathrooms. This is what you are fighting for. 

Mdc fighting for the right to be in little girl's bathrooms. Classic. 

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1 minute ago, jbycho said:

Mdc fighting for the right to be in little girl's bathrooms. Classic. 

@MDC says it's no big deal. I'm glad he speaks for Women now. More proof that Liberals hate real Women. They care more about trannies @Ron_Artest @Fnord

[MDC 7,860]

25 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Women being allowed to kill their kids is way more important than men being allowed into young girls bathrooms.

Your mom wishes she killed her kids, Peefoam.  

[MDC 7,860]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

@MDC says it's no big deal. I'm glad he speaks for Women now. More proof that Liberals hate real Women. They care more about trannies @Ron_Artest @Fnord

Nobody cares more about trannies than you.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,424]

Just now, MDC said:

Nobody cares more about trannies than you.  

What's your problem with biological Females? 

[jbycho 756]

15 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

@MDC says it's no big deal. I'm glad he speaks for Women now. More proof that Liberals hate real Women. They care more about trannies @Ron_Artest @Fnord

In his head he IS a woman. 

[jbycho 756]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

Your mom wishes she killer her kids, Peefoam.  

Why do liberals always like talking about being peed on? 

[Maximum Overkill 2,424]

23 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Why do liberals always like talking about being peed on? 

It's well documented that Liberals @MDC @Tebok @Ron_Artest like pee, violence and Trannies. That's how they're bred. 

[jbycho 756]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It's well documented that Liberals @MDC @Tebok @Ron_Artest like pee, violence and Trannies. That's how they're bred. 

Just another transexual obsession I guess. They really really want to go into preteen girl's bathrooms to hang out.