Israel attacks Iran UPDATE: Trump claims a cease fire among all countries

[seafoam1 3,025]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

@The Real timschochet

  Is sticking to his story even though it's 100% fabricated.  

All liberals do. 

So much so they they make up fake fact check sites to support their ignorance. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

On 6/12/2025 at 9:34 PM, The Real timschochet said:

In any event I would like Trump to address the public right now. He is our President and I need to feel safe. This makes me feel very unsafe. 

 This didn't age well 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,264]

34 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 This didn't age well 

Idk how a man could post something like this, especially when there is zero imminent threat to their actual safety.

[TimHauck 2,876]

57 minutes ago, Strike said:

Uh, let's start with your source, which is marginally more credible than Billy from the gaming forum chatroom.  Then we can move on to your contention that 3 is evidence that they are targeting journalists.  It is not evidence of such.  Journalists know it's dangerous to report from war zones and many have been killed in the line of duty.  If I were a journalist I would NOT choose to work in a war zone.  In any case, do you have an actual article from a REAL news source suggesting Israel is targeting journalists?  I mean, seriously, if Israel was targeting journalists one would think the OTHER news agencies would be reporting that because.....you know......journalists......A simple yes or no or a link to a real news article will suffice.  

Wake up dude.  Israel is celebrating killing some of these guys because they just say they were Hamas.

Here is a Huffington Post article about Shabat which also talks about the killing of another journalist along with his wife and child:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/slain-palestinian-journalist-wrote-final-words-before-death_n_67e1f00ae4b05da8a133ba6d

Shabat has a large social media following, I believe he even did prior to his death.  Shabat also contributed to US-based DropSite News (although Jerry will call it “Hamas Harry”) which was co-founded by Ryan Grim who is one of the 4 main people on Breaking Points, which IMO is the best source of news to hear both sides.  Here is the article from them about his death:

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/gaza-journalists-hit-list-hossam-shabat

It looks like Shabat’s friends are using his x account to continue documenting what’s going on.    He even has several pictures of dead or badly injured kids, is that what you were hoping to see @jerryskids?

https://x.com/HossamShabat/status/1940440600324772242

 

[Strike 5,547]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wake up dude.  Israel is celebrating killing some of these guys because they just say they were Hamas.

Here is a Huffington Post article about Shabat which also talks about the killing of another journalist along with his wife and child:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/slain-palestinian-journalist-wrote-final-words-before-death_n_67e1f00ae4b05da8a133ba6d

Shabat has a large social media following, I believe he even did prior to his death.  Shabat also contributed to US-based DropSite News (although Jerry will call it “Hamas Harry”) which was co-founded by Ryan Grim who is one of the 4 main people on Breaking Points, which IMO is the best source of news to hear both sides.  Here is the article from them about his death:

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/gaza-journalists-hit-list-hossam-shabat

It looks like Shabat’s friends are using his account to continue documenting what’s going on.    He even has several pictures of dead or badly injured kids, is that what you were hoping to see @jerryskids?

https://x.com/HossamShabat/status/1940440600324772242

 

So the answer is NO, you don't have a credible news site reporting this.  Gotcha.  

[jerryskids 6,799]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wake up dude.  Israel is celebrating killing some of these guys because they just say they were Hamas.

Here is a Huffington Post article about Shabat which also talks about the killing of another journalist along with his wife and child:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/slain-palestinian-journalist-wrote-final-words-before-death_n_67e1f00ae4b05da8a133ba6d

Shabat has a large social media following, I believe he even did prior to his death.  Shabat also contributed to US-based DropSite News (although Jerry will call it “Hamas Harry”) which was co-founded by Ryan Grim who is one of the 4 main people on Breaking Points, which IMO is the best source of news to hear both sides.  Here is the article from them about his death:

https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/gaza-journalists-hit-list-hossam-shabat

It looks like Shabat’s friends are using his account to continue documenting what’s going on.    He even has several pictures of dead or badly injured kids, is that what you were hoping to see @jerryskids?

https://x.com/HossamShabat/status/1940440600324772242

 

You went from 200 to 3, and this is your evidence of systemic targeting journalists?

DropDeadHamasHarryNews is clearly a Hamas hack site, just scroll through it.

What is the purpose of that last link?  To show that kids sometimes die in war, especially when your enemy is a soulless evil who builds its facilities under schools and hospitals?

Face it, you've gotten gaslit in every direction on this.  Unfortunately your brain can't process that.  I wonder how many hours and how many clicks you've spent trying to find one picture or video of Israel actually doing what you accuse them of?  My o/u is 20 hours.  

[TimHauck 2,876]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

So the answer is NO, you don't have a credible news site reporting this.  Gotcha.  

Reporting what exactly? Israel admits they killed Shabat, they just claim he was a sniper.

 

[TimHauck 2,876]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

So the answer is NO, you don't have a credible news site reporting this.  Gotcha.  

DropSite is way more credible than CBS as one example, remember when you fell for their fake news about the kid in North Dakota?

[Strike 5,547]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Reporting what exactly? Israel admits they killed Shabat, they just claim he was a sniper.

 

Maybe he was.  Regardless, if they REALLY were targeting journalists you'd be able to find a credible news site reporting such.  You're reaching for Twitter and back room sites relying on Al-Jazeera saying Israel is targeting journalists.  You haven't provided ANY CREDIBLE evidence that israel is targeting journalists.  It's crazy how far the quality of your posting has deteriorated since before Covid.  Maybe Covid affected your brain?

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Maybe he was.  Regardless, if they REALLY were targeting journalists you'd be able to find a credible news site reporting such.  You're reaching for Twitter and back room sites relying on Al-Jazeera saying Israel is targeting journalists.  You haven't provided ANY CREDIBLE evidence that israel is targeting journalists.  It's crazy how far the quality of your posting has deteriorated since before Covid.  Maybe Covid affected your brain?

Again, reporting what?  They focking admitted it dude.

[Strike 5,547]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Again, reporting what?  They focking admitted it dude.

Specifically, which journalist and WHAT PROFESSIONAL JOURNALISM ORGANIZATION WAS THAT JOURNALIST AFFILIATED WITH?  

[TimHauck 2,876]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Specifically, which journalist and WHAT PROFESSIONAL JOURNALISM ORGANIZATION WAS THAT JOURNALIST AFFILIATED WITH?  

Hossam Shabat.  He was with Al-Jazeera and DropSite.  Had over 500k followers on Instagram.  Israel admitted targeting him but claimed he was a sniper.

[Strike 5,547]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Hossam Shabat.  He was with Al-Jazeera and DropSite.  Had over 500k followers on Instagram.  Israel admitted targeting him but claimed he was a sniper.

So Israel believes he was a terrorist. So they killed him for being a terrorist, not a journalist.  One down.  Only 199 more shots you got in that gun, son.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

There are many Hamas operatives that claim to be journalists.  One of them was actually a sniper. The IDF took him out. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

Just now, Strike said:

So Israel believes he was a terrorist. So they killed him for being a terrorist, not a journalist.  One down.  Only 199 more shots you got in that gun, son.

You could have just said like @jerryskids earlier that you believe everything the Israeli military says and it would have saved us both some time.  But hopefully others found the information valuable.

[Strike 5,547]

Just now, TimHauck said:

You could have just said like @jerryskids earlier that you believe everything the Israeli military says and it would have saved us both some time.  But hopefully others found the information valuable.

yeah because everyone here has heard of "dropsite news" and considers them credible!!!  

[jerryskids 6,799]

Cmon guys, Hamas would never lie.

Also, looking at Hossam's X account, it looks like his team is carrying on his history of objective journalism.

https://x.com/HossamShabat

 

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Cmon guys, Hamas would never lie.

Also, looking at Hossam's X account, it looks like his team is carrying on his history of objective journalism.

https://x.com/HossamShabat

 

So not being objective means you are a Hamas sniper, good to know.

Gee, I wonder what could have caused the people running his account after he was killed to be a bit biased?

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You could have just said like @jerryskids earlier that you believe everything the Israeli military says and it would have saved us both some time.  But hopefully others found the information valuable.

Just looking for one picture or video of the shooting gallery at the aid stations, buddy.  But I'm the one believing unsubstantiated things.   

[Ron_Artest 1,533]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but if you're looking for a reputable source, Reuters....

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-steps-up-gaza-bombardment-ahead-white-house-talks-ceasefire-2025-06-30

The Hamas-run Gaza government media office said that Abu Warda's death raised the number of Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza since October 2023 to 220.

Of course Hamas could/probably is lying, but it's being reported by Reuters.

 

Also

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_journalists_in_the_Gaza_war

The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) counted 178 journalists who were killed (176 Palestinian and 2 Israeli), as of 12 June 2025

https://cpj.org/2023/10/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/

Seems pretty reputable.

 

 

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So not being objective means you are a Hamas sniper, good to know.

Gee, I wonder what could have caused the people running his account after he was killed to be a bit biased?

So, before he died, his account was objective and showed no bias?

If so, then why did Israel allegedly target him?

Keep your lies straight, Tim.   

[Strike 5,547]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You could have just said like @jerryskids earlier that you believe everything the Israeli military says and it would have saved us both some time.  But hopefully others found the information valuable.

Like Jerry, I believe in Occam's Razor.  And, as Jerry has pointed out to you more times than I can count, if Israel was so hell bent on destruction and being inhumane they could have just razed the whole place and called it a day.  Instead, they do their best to avoid civilian casualties and have tried to get aid to the civilian population.  As Jerry has told you, along with the U.S. Israel created their own aid organization to bypass Hamas and prevent Hamas from stealing the aid.  Occam's razor says that, given all of Israel's efforts to avoid civilian casualties, it's unlikely they are randomly shooting women and children as you have alleged or that they are targeting innocent journalists.  I'm open to being convinced otherwise but you're going to have to provide actual credible evidence to overcome Occam's Razor, and Billy from the chat room is not going to suffice.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

It’s not reporting when you just repeat what is said. Reporting would entail confirming. Reuters.

[TimHauck 2,876]

9 minutes ago, Strike said:

Like Jerry, I believe in Occam's Razor.  And, as Jerry has pointed out to you more times than I can count, if Israel was so hell bent on destruction and being inhumane they could have just razed the whole place and called it a day.  Instead, they do their best to avoid civilian casualties and have tried to get aid to the civilian population.  As Jerry has told you, along with the U.S. Israel created their own aid organization to bypass Hamas and prevent Hamas from stealing the aid.  Occam's razor says that, given all of Israel's efforts to avoid civilian casualties, it's unlikely they are randomly shooting women and children as you have alleged or that they are targeting innocent journalists.  I'm open to being convinced otherwise but you're going to have to provide actual credible evidence to overcome Occam's Razor, and Billy from the chat room is not going to suffice.

I’ve said I don’t think civilians being killed at aid drops was a policy.

Intentionally killing journalists is, as they’ve admitted.  They usually claim they were Hamas, but Occam’s Razor in regards to journalists being intentionally killed would be that Israel didn’t like what was being reported.

For example, here is another of the guys in the picture I shared earlier (Hassan Hamad, who also reported for Al-Jazeera), and an article about his killing on Yahoo which states that he received threats about “telling lies about Israel.”  I actually don’t believe Israel even claimed he was Hamas that I saw.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gaza-journalist-hassan-hamad-killed-012506879.html

 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

Bump for @TimHauck

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 and Aziz

[TimHauck 2,876]

18 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, before he died, his account was objective and showed no bias?

If so, then why did Israel allegedly target him?

Keep your lies straight, Tim.   

I don’t know whether or not his account was objective before he died, just saying that there was incentive for the people running it after he died not to be.  And even if his account wasn’t objective before he died, that doesn’t mean he was Hamas.

As I said to @Strike, Occam’s Razor would say the most likely reason journalists are being targeted is because they don’t like what they’re reporting

[Strike 5,547]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Intentionally killing journalists is, as they’ve admitted.  They usually claim they were Hamas, but Occam’s Razor in regards to journalists being intentionally killed would be that Israel didn’t like what was being reported.

 

Except Israel's track record is one where they only go after those who have gone after them.  They don't have a history of killing journalists for bad press.   You're just making stuff up.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

22 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The Hamas-run Gaza government media office said that Abu Warda's death raised the number of Palestinian journalists killed in Gaza since October 2023 to 220.

Ohhh, why didn't you tell us that it was The Hamas Government Media office who said it. 

I'M SURE THEY'RE REPUTABLE 

[jerryskids 6,799]

I'm trying to figure out how we can get Tim a win here; he's not going to stop until he finds one.  The shooting at aid stations is total crap at this point.  Can we give him that Israel might have been a little liberal in assigning Hamas ties to journalists who, on the surface, seemed pretty tight with Hamas?  Maybe a few of the "journalists" weren't just Hamas operatives who wore a press pass?

He can then feel he defended his "Israel does war crimes too!" position that started all this, which isn't an attempt at moral equivalency mind you, but very much has the feel of a lot of time and effort trying to gin up a moral equivalency argument.

Just trying to keep everyone happy.   

[TimHauck 2,876]

7 minutes ago, Strike said:

Except Israel's track record is one where they only go after those who have gone after them.  They don't have a history of killing journalists for bad press.   You're just making stuff up.

I’ve provided multiple examples of journalists being targeted.  You can choose not to believe it if you want, it’s okay. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I’ve provided multiple examples of journalists being targeted.  You can choose not to believe it if you want, it’s okay. 

cool. Now what? 

[TimHauck 2,876]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm trying to figure out how we can get Tim a win here; he's not going to stop until he finds one.  The shooting at aid stations is total crap at this point.  Can we give him that Israel might have been a little liberal in assigning Hamas ties to journalists who, on the surface, seemed pretty tight with Hamas?  Maybe a few of the "journalists" weren't just Hamas operatives who wore a press pass?

He can then feel he defended his "Israel does war crimes too!" position that started all this, which isn't an attempt at moral equivalency mind you, but very much has the feel of a lot of time and effort trying to gin up a moral equivalency argument.

Just trying to keep everyone happy.   

You’re the one hung up on the aid drop thing.  That was just one example of potential war crimes I provided and I think was like the fourth one.

If you can agree that Israel probably intentionally killed more than one journalist that wasn’t Hamas, then yes we agree that they’ve committed war crimes.

[jerryskids 6,799]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You’re the one hung up on the aid drop thing.  That was just one example of potential war crimes I provided and I think was like the fourth one.

If you can agree that Israel probably intentionally killed more than one journalist that wasn’t Hamas, then yes we agree that they’ve committed war crimes.

Oh, the aid thing was nothing now?  Just a throwaway, your fourth thing?   

Not a serious poster.

Sorry, you have gotten curb stomped in this discussion, you don't get to negotiate up from there.  I'll give you maybe, like on the level of Mamdani isn't an antisemite maybe (hint, that's a pretty weak maybe).  But first, you need to concede that you were gaslit by Hamas Harry on the shootings at aid drops.  

[Gepetto 1,368]

Iran cancels IAEA participation officially with a letter stating they will keep their nuclear plans secret, they have secret areas, banned the inspectors, and stated they will accelarte their nuclear program.

Also, Iran is still getting attacked/bombed, air space still closed, and supreme leader still in a bunker. Nobody has taken responsibility for these attacks. 

source: Tousi TV on youtube

Also, Iran's inflation is now 300%. Price of eggs and chicken doubles every couple days.

Also, Iran is deporting 30,000 Afghans a day, accusing them of being spies. confirmed by the UN. Pakistan is also deporting Afghans.

 

[TimHauck 2,876]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Oh, the aid thing was nothing now?  Just a throwaway, your fourth thing?   

Not a serious poster.

Sorry, you have gotten curb stomped in this discussion, you don't get to negotiate up from there.  I'll give you maybe, like on the level of Mamdani isn't an antisemite maybe (hint, that's a pretty weak maybe).  But first, you need to concede that you were gaslit by Hamas Harry on the shootings at aid drops.  

There is still evidence the aid thing happened.  My original post about it was from an Israeli newspaper (not Hamas Harry) which was based on alleged statements from IDF soldiers.

So no, I’m not ready to admit that definitely didn’t happen just because I haven’t seen a video specifically showing someone being shot there.

Here’s a thread I found with some screenshots since it was paywalled:

https://x.com/WaywardRabbler/status/1938627081723908418

That story did also get picked up by some American sites, if that’s what @Strike needs to give it legitimacy since he loves the MSM such as CBS News with their incorrect information about the kid in North Dakota.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/israeli-soldiers-shoot-unarmed-palestinians-aid-gaza-1235373984/

 

So do you acknowledge that Israel intentionally killed more than 2 journalists that probably weren’t Hamas, @jerryskids?

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

There is still evidence the aid thing happened.  My original post about it was from an Israeli newspaper (not Hamas Harry) which was based on alleged statements from IDF soldiers.

So no, I’m not ready to admit that definitely didn’t happen just because I haven’t seen a video specifically showing someone being shot there.

Here’s a thread I found with some screenshots since it was paywalled:

https://x.com/WaywardRabbler/status/1938627081723908418

That story did also get picked up by some American sites, if that’s what @Strike needs to give it legitimacy since he loves the MSM such as CBS News with their incorrect information about the kid in North Dakota.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/israeli-soldiers-shoot-unarmed-palestinians-aid-gaza-1235373984/

 

So do you acknowledge that Israel intentionally killed more than 2 journalists that probably weren’t Hamas, @jerryskids?

Nope.

Again, no video.  It's a conundrum wrapped in an enigma.  You can provide video of some old guy getting drone-sploded, and two guys in a firefight, but nothing of this massive killing field.

Rolling Stone? 

The funny thing is:  I expected you to have the receipts when this started, since you usually do.  And I expected to concede that they had done some bad stuff, and to get into a discussion about moral relativism.  But you surprised me by having absolutely nothing resembling credible evidence.

So I'm not asking you to admit it definitely didn't happen.  I'm asking you to admit that you have absolutely no credible evidence that it did, and that that lack of evidence is strong evidence that it didn't.  If you can't admit that, we're done here.

[TimHauck 2,876]

22 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Nope.

Again, no video.  It's a conundrum wrapped in an enigma.  You can provide video of some old guy getting drone-sploded, and two guys in a firefight, but nothing of this massive killing field.

Rolling Stone? 

The funny thing is:  I expected you to have the receipts when this started, since you usually do.  And I expected to concede that they had done some bad stuff, and to get into a discussion about moral relativism.  But you surprised me by having absolutely nothing resembling credible evidence.

So I'm not asking you to admit it definitely didn't happen.  I'm asking you to admit that you have absolutely no credible evidence that it did, and that that lack of evidence is strong evidence that it didn't.  If you can't admit that, we're done here.

We have videos of shooting occurring near aid sites, and alleged statements from IDF soldiers given to the Israeli press.  I guess you can nitpick if it “is” credible evidence, but I’d argue it at least “resembles” credible evidence.

The Rolling Stone link was for @Strike, since he loves citing the MSM.  I know you’re smarter than him and wouldn’t give them credibility.

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

2 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Iran is deporting 30,000 Afghans a day

Smart 

[TimHauck 2,876]

Hmm, maybe it wasn’t the IDF shooting at people at aid sites.  Maybe it was Americans.  Journalists not allowed at aid sites, weird

3:10: “I think you hit one.”  “Hell yeah boy!”

 

[seafoam1 3,025]

46 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Hmm, maybe it wasn’t the IDF shooting at people at aid sites.  Maybe it was Americans.  Journalists not allowed at aid sites, weird

3:10: “I think you hit one.”  “Hell yeah boy!”

 

Poor Timmy.