Israel attacks Iran UPDATE: Trump claims a cease fire among all countries

[Strike 5,547]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Thanks for confirming I correctly paraphrased your opinion.

And there you go lying again.  I don’t expect there to be “not one innocent life lost.”

But I also don’t expect them to intentionally target innocent lives.  Any thoughts on this murder of a doctor and his family in their home?

https://x.com/mercindonesia/status/1940698827230793743
 

 

No.  I've told you before I barely use twitter, if at all.  I certainly don't use it as a news source.  You and squissy share that distinction.

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Ruh roh, people might care now!

Settle down Beavis

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

No.  I've told you before I barely use twitter, if at all.  I certainly don't use it as a news source.  You and squissy share that distinction.

It was from the page of the medical organization. Here it is from their website:

https://mer-c.org/siaran-pers/mer-c-indonesia-official-statement-condemnation-of-the-killing-of-dr-marwan-al-sultan-director-of-indonesia-hospital-north-gaza-palestine
 

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It was from the page of the medical organization. Here it is from their website:

https://mer-c.org/siaran-pers/mer-c-indonesia-official-statement-condemnation-of-the-killing-of-dr-marwan-al-sultan-director-of-indonesia-hospital-north-gaza-palestine
 

I have no knowledge of mer-c.org or this doctor either.  If this is such a huge deal, why can't you find an article closer to home from an organization we would both consider credible?  You'll notice that when I post articles they're never from whack job sites none of us have ever heard of.  I have to ask - WHEN did you find out about an Indonesian medical group/website?  

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

I have no knowledge of mer-c.org or this doctor either.  If this is such a huge deal, why can't you find an article closer to home from an organization we would both consider credible?  You'll notice that when I post articles they're never from whack job sites none of us have ever heard of.  I have to ask - WHEN did you find out about an Indonesian medical group/website?  

https://cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/healthcare-management/leadership/beloved-cardiologist-killed-airstrike-he-was-one-gazas-last-heart-doctors

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Just now, TimHauck said:

https://cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/healthcare-management/leadership/beloved-cardiologist-killed-airstrike-he-was-one-gazas-last-heart-doctors

Answer my questions.  Don't just keep throwing random links out.

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Just now, Strike said:

Answer my questions.  Don't just keep throwing random links out.

I “responded”

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I “responded”

Ok, then we're done.  Which is exactly what you should have said to the other guy when you didn't like his response instead of just bumping the same post 20 times.    See how that works?

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have no knowledge of mer-c.org or this doctor either.  If this is such a huge deal, why can't you find an article closer to home from an organization we would both consider credible?  You'll notice that when I post articles they're never from whack job sites none of us have ever heard of.  I have to ask - WHEN did you find out about an Indonesian medical group/website?  

If you insist, the short answer is the American media doesn’t really care about the lives lost in Gaza.  Clearly the right doesn’t because how dare we question Israel.  Some MSM sites say they do, but don’t care enough to do actual investigative work.

I shared that link because it was from the organization he was a part of, after you immediately dismissed the one from a Middle East News organization. I then shared another link “closer to home.”  Of course, in that link it states Israel claimed they were targeting terrorists so I’m sure you believed that.

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My apologies, the latest link actually had another link to NBC News.  Happy now @Strike?  I know you love the MSM.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/gaza/gaza-israel-bomb-doctor-killed-marwan-sultan-rcna216670

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

If you insist, the short answer is the American media doesn’t really care about the lives lost in Gaza.  Clearly the right doesn’t because how dare we question Israel.  Some MSM sites say they do, but don’t care enough to do actual investigative work.

I shared that link because it was from the organization he was a part of, after you immediately dismissed the one from a Middle East News organization. I then shared another link “closer to home.”  Of course, in that link it states Israel claimed they were targeting terrorists so I’m sure you believed that.

You didn't answer my questions.  

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

You didn't answer my questions.  

I answered your first question (and later provided a link to a more well known news site, but I know you probably didn’t see that before you wrote this).  Your second question was stupid.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

My apologies, the latest link actually had another link to NBC News.  Happy now @Strike?  I know you love the MSM.

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/gaza/gaza-israel-bomb-doctor-killed-marwan-sultan-rcna216670

Funny how the NBC link actually has an Israeli response while your previous links, which I questioned, said they hadn't heard back.  Maybe now you'll see why I question sources I don't consider credible.  You might also take note of my statement where I said you won't see me posting links that most wouldn't consider credible.  I do that to avoid these prolonged discussions.  If I can't find a link I think YOU will find credible, I don't bother posting the story.  You might consider that approach going forward.  From your NBC article:

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The Israeli military told NBC News that it had targeted a “key terrorist” from Hamas in the Gaza City area and was reviewing reports of the incident involving Sultan.

It added that it regretted any harm caused to “uninvolved individuals” and was taking steps to mitigate such harm.

 

I know you won't believe them, and that's your right.  I'm not even saying they're being honest but there is no proof that they're not.  So, I'll refer you to my previous post:

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I have never said it was anyone's goal to "protect innocent lives."  Israel's goal is to protect Israel and Israeli lives.  In doing so, they are not specifically targeting innocent people but do their best to avoid the loss of life of innocent people.  But they, like Jerry and myself, understand that in WAR sometimes innocent life gets lost.  You are taking a childish, utopian view that you can wage WAR and not have one innocent life lost.  That's certainly possible but I'm not sure it's ever happened in significant armed combat.  It's like you want WAR to look like a movie called "Logans Run" where when people turned 35 years old IIRC they would just walk in to a human disintegrating machine and let themselves be killed because that's how that society facilitated population control.  In real world WAR, people don't just let themselves be killed so loss of innocent life can be avoided.  

And ask, how was this story supposed to sway me?  It's totally consistent with what I posted above.  

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I answered your first question (and later provided a link to a more well known news site, but I know you probably didn’t see that before you wrote this).  Your second question was stupid.

This entire tangent is stupid, as I show in the next post after you posted this.

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5 minutes ago, Strike said:

And ask, how was this story supposed to sway me?  It's totally consistent with what I posted above.  

I figured it wouldn’t because you’d just believe whatever Israel said, but wanted to make sure.

I’m not sure why you’re surprised middle eastern media sites would have more info about a war happening in the Middle East though.

But if you insist, here’s an American story about the first journalist death I had linked:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gaza-journalist-hassan-hamad-killed-012506879.html
 

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I figured it wouldn’t because you’d just believe whatever Israel said, but wanted to make sure.

I’m not sure why you’re surprised middle eastern media sites would have more info about a war happening in the Middle East though.

But if you insist, here’s an American story about the first journalist death I had linked:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gaza-journalist-hassan-hamad-killed-012506879.html
 

Another link from that one:

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-LEBANON/JOURNALIST/akveabxrzvr/

Lieutenant Colonel Richard Hecht, the IDF’s international spokesman, said: “We don’t target journalists.” He did not provide further comment.

lol, good enough for @Strike and @jerryskids!

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13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Another link from that one:

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-LEBANON/JOURNALIST/akveabxrzvr/

Lieutenant Colonel Richard Hecht, the IDF’s international spokesman, said: “We don’t target journalists.” He did not provide further comment.

lol, good enough for @Strike and @jerryskids!

This guy’s last Instagram post before his death was a photo of a different journalist killed by Israel in 2022. Hmmm

https://www.instagram.com/issamabdallah/p/CyFudUft36x/

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4 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Did IDF leadership tell them to target that specific ambulance, or just to find any old ambulance to blow up on purpose?  Did they target one with little old ladies and children?  You seem so sure that this was on purpose, we look forward to learning more.

Bump for @TimHauck

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I hope Iran gives Trump another excuse to bomb them. I want more. 

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20 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Bump for @TimHauck

As per the original source I posted, the IDF claimed the ambulance was “suspicious”.

Do you think Israel attacking a Catholic Church was an “accident” also?

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47 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you think Israel attacking a Catholic Church was an “accident” also?

This wasn’t the first Catholic Church attacked by Israel. It’s not at the Islamists level but it’s getting there.

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

As per the original source I posted, the IDF claimed the ambulance was “suspicious”.

Do you think Israel attacking a Catholic Church was an “accident” also?

Yes, they claimed that.  Your answer is non-responsive.  Try again.

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2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Yes, they claimed that.  Your answer is non-responsive.  Try again.

Huh?  They claimed it was suspicious so they blew it up.  That answers your disingenuous question.

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Huh?  They claimed it was suspicious so they blew it up.  That answers your disingenuous question.

So since you doubt that, do you think instead they instructed their military to blow up any ambulance they could find?

In other words, why did they blow it up? I can't dumb it down for you any more than that.

 

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Israel bombed a Catholic church.

I'm sure all the Israel ball washers will address this.

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8 hours ago, jerryskids said:

So since you doubt that, do you think instead they instructed their military to blow up any ambulance they could find?

In other words, why did they blow it up? I can't dumb it down for you any more than that.

 

Are you asking why they would want to attack medical personnel?  If so, even if the medical personnel themselves are not Hamas, Hamas still uses medical personnel, so hurting the medical personnel would hurt Hamas.

HTH

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26 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Are you asking why they would want to attack medical personnel?  If so, even if the medical personnel themselves are not Hamas, Hamas still uses medical personnel, so hurting the medical personnel would hurt Hamas.

HTH

It doesn't help, as you aren't answering my question.  I'll type it slower:  did IDF leadership tell their troops to bomb random ambulances?  I'm ignoring anything but an answer to this.

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

It doesn't help, as you aren't answering my question.  I'll type it slower:  did IDF leadership tell their troops to bomb random ambulances?  I'm ignoring anything but an answer to this.

Well, does a Deputy Commander and Commander count as “leadership”?  Because one was fired and one was censured after they got caught lying about this incident (they initially claimed the ambulance had no emergency lights on, a video proved that was a lie). Of course I’m sure you’ll say “see, that means it wasn’t authorized!” to which I say, lol.  They even claim they killed 6 Hamas fighters, but it would then seem weird that they’d fire anyone over it if that were true.

Here’s an NY Post link for @Strike - https://nypost.com/2025/04/20/world-news/idf-sacks-deputy-who-oversaw-killing-of-15-aid-workers-in-gaza/

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20 hours ago, HellToupee said:

This wasn’t the first Catholic Church attacked by Israel. 

Yep

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-catholic-church-war-israel-hezbollah-christmas-592b5cb067ecd1aea5276a4b6071190b

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21 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I hope Iran gives Trump another excuse to bomb them. I want more. 

The "party of peace" is no more

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It’s gotten to the point where the left criticizes everything Israel does, and puts them on an equal level of evil with terrorists like Hamas, (or even worse defends Hamas while castigating Israel.) 

Meanwhile the right attempts to justify everything the Israeli government does no matter how awful, paints any and all opposing views as anti-Semitic, and collectively regards almost all Muslims as fanatical murderers. 

There is less and less room for thoughtful discussion on this issue. 

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Like most of lifes decisions in the modern age, it’s a case of the lesser of two evils. Sometimes you have to choose. I’ll choose Israel all day vs Iran and any other Muslim country. 

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s gotten to the point where the left criticizes everything Israel does, and puts them on an equal level of evil with terrorists like Hamas, (or even worse defends Hamas while castigating Israel.) 

Meanwhile the right attempts to justify everything the Israeli government does no matter how awful, paints any and all opposing views as anti-Semitic, and collectively regards almost all Muslims as fanatical murderers. 

There is less and less room for thoughtful discussion on this issue. 

I actually agree with you.

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7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

It doesn't help, as you aren't answering my question.  I'll type it slower:  did IDF leadership tell their troops to bomb random ambulances?  I'm ignoring anything but an answer to this.

Try ignoring everything.  

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57 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Like most of lifes decisions in the modern age, it’s a case of the lesser of two evils. Sometimes you have to choose. I’ll choose Israel all day vs Iran and any other Muslim country. 

I’m not happy about Israel killing Catholics but it’s a no brainer siding with them over Islamists 

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7 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Well, does a Deputy Commander and Commander count as “leadership”?  Because one was fired and one was censured after they got caught lying about this incident (they initially claimed the ambulance had no emergency lights on, a video proved that was a lie). Of course I’m sure you’ll say “see, that means it wasn’t authorized!” to which I say, lol.  They even claim they killed 6 Hamas fighters, but it would then seem weird that they’d fire anyone over it if that were true.

Here’s an NY Post link for @Strike - https://nypost.com/2025/04/20/world-news/idf-sacks-deputy-who-oversaw-killing-of-15-aid-workers-in-gaza/

Firing and censuring field officers who appear to have gone rogue does not sound like something a country looking to systemically commit war crimes would do. Seems like they would give these guys promotions, especially if there were young children in the ambulances, because according to you, that's what Israel wanted to happen.

Have you stooped to finding individual examples of bad behavior as your example of systemic Israeli war crimes?  If so, congrats, you got your win -- sometimes soldiers do bad things.

Hey everyone, Tim got his win!  He found some Israelis doing bad things!  Congrats Tim, this was very hard earned.   

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21 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Firing and censuring field officers who appear to have gone rogue does not sound like something a country looking to systemically commit war crimes would do. Seems like they would give these guys promotions, especially if there were young children in the ambulances, because according to you, that's what Israel wanted to happen.

Have you stooped to finding individual examples of bad behavior as your example of systemic Israeli war crimes?  If so, congrats, you got your win -- sometimes soldiers do bad things.

Hey everyone, Tim got his win!  He found some Israelis doing bad things!  Congrats Tim, this was very hard earned.   

Is it only a war crime if it’s “systemic”?

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1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Try ignoring everything.  

@Horseman must be mad that I bumped a few of the multiple threads where he fell for fake news, lol

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On 7/18/2025 at 6:41 AM, Ron_Artest said:

Israel bombed a Catholic church.

I'm sure all the Israel ball washers will address this.

**crickets**

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Pro-Israel propaganda account posts blatant lie about “a call for all Muslims to slaughter Druze-it is a direct call for genocide”

https://x.com/RichardHanania/status/1946644154450100404