Football coaches are dumb?

[nobody 2,642]

I'm listening to a podcast called "this is football" by Kevin Clark.  I like clark because he makes sharp points.  I rarely hear him say things like, "it just is" which is the hallmark signal to me that someone is either unprepared or doesn't know what they are talking about. 

Anyway, he's got Allen Robinson on and they're talking about what he learned from Sean mcvay who I grant is probably an actual genius, but listening to Robinson, one of the things mcvay did to revolutionize the game was make defenses defend multiple options.

Robinson talks about how he has the receivers line up such that the spacing doesn't allow the defense to eliminate route possibilities and he gave the example of having outside receivers line up more inside so the defense has to defend out routes (obviously if you're very far outside, you don't have room to run an out).

That's smart of course, but my question is this?  Are football coaches retarded?  Why haven't teams always made an effort not to tip their routes?  Why haven't they always disguised the play with multiple plays off of same formations?  

To me, this is obvious stuff.  Why wouldn't teams always do it?  I literally built playbooks in Madden that were made to disguise plays back when I was in high school.  

[nobody 2,642]

Also Allen Robinson could probably be on these football shows.  He talks ball in a cool way and he comes off like he really loves it even though he's not some kind of take-smith.

What I guess I mean is he doesn't talk like we the mainstream guys do where everything is dumbed down or controversial.  It's just, they did this, so we want to do this.  This guy is good because he did this and this and this, etc.  

Very cohesive with his points and it's good stuff that isn't cliche everyday knowledge.

[JagFan 157]

I’m not really sure what your point is with this?  Have you ever heard of an option route?  I’m not going to explain it…google it.  There was also a guy named Mike Martz that designed an offense where Kurt Warner would throw the ball to an open space on the field and one of his WRs (Bruce, Holt) would find that space vs running a specific route.  The real game isn’t like a video game where the players run exact routes and the WR with a 99 rating always catches the ball when he’s covered by the DB with a 76 rating as long as his energy level is above 80%.

[WhiteWonder 2,718]

21 hours ago, nobody said:

I literally built playbooks in Madden that were made to disguise plays back when I was in high school.  

Sean McVay level stuff

[JagFan 157]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

Sean McVay level stuff

winner!

[nobody 2,642]

11 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Sean McVay level stuff

Lol, I'm not saying I'm Sean mcvay. I'm just saying not tipping your play is pretty obvious tactics 101.  And if you hear Robinson talk, that was a new concept for Robinson which implies they didn't do that on the other teams he played for.

[nobody 2,642]

23 hours ago, JagFan said:

I’m not really sure what your point is with this?  Have you ever heard of an option route?  I’m not going to explain it…google it.  There was also a guy named Mike Martz that designed an offense where Kurt Warner would throw the ball to an open space on the field and one of his WRs (Bruce, Holt) would find that space vs running a specific route.  The real game isn’t like a video game where the players run exact routes and the WR with a 99 rating always catches the ball when he’s covered by the DB with a 76 rating as long as his energy level is above 80%.

Indeed, it's very obvious you aren't sure what my point is considering none of this is even relevant.

And who doesn't know what an option route is?  Come on, man.

[nobody 2,642]

Did you guys know that mcvay doesn't even run that many plays.  They basically run the same x number of plays just out of different formations.   These coaches in the NFL or so dumb, it wasn't only the spacing of the routes that were giving away plays, apparently they aren't even smart enough to just lineup a little differently when running the same concepts so the defense doesn't recognize what's coming.  

I know most of these coaches played the game at some level. They didn't try to pick up on tendencies when they were playing?  I guess that makes sense.  I mean when auburn had cam newton, I remembered them running qb draw the exact same way like 5 times on one drive.  Maybe they're all just dumb?

And the chargers always ran inside draw off the left tackle with eckler for years from the 5 yard line and no one ever seemed to realize it.  He must've scored on that play 25 times in his career.

[JagFan 157]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

And the chargers always ran inside draw off the left tackle with eckler for years from the 5 yard line and know one ever seemed to realize it.  He must've scored on that play 25 times in his career.

Hey Alvin Einstein, it’s “no one”.  Let us know where you and your joystick land as an offensive coordinator so we can load up on your passing attack!

[nobody 2,642]

19 hours ago, JagFan said:

Hey Alvin Einstein, it’s “no one”.  Let us know where you and your joystick land as an offensive coordinator so we can load up on your passing attack!

Thanks. I fixed it.

And I get it, of course.  Football isn't Madden.  But my point was that things that were so obvious to do even in video games you would think would be obvious in the real game.

Let me approach this another way.

Does anyone here think it is not obvious that you shouldn't tip off the defense to what plays you are running or as a wide receiver not give away what routes you won't be running prior to the snap?

 

[nobody 2,642]

By the way, here is something else for you to laugh at.

Deferring the kickoff - That was immediately the obvious thing to do for us know nothings that played Madden.

It took years for coaches to figure out deferring was the better option.

[weepaws 3,167]

32 minutes ago, nobody said:

By the way, here is something else for you to laugh at.

Deferring the kickoff - That was immediately the obvious thing to do for us know nothings that played Madden.

It took years for coaches to figure out deferring was the better option.

Just amazing 

[JagFan 157]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

By the way, here is something else for you to laugh at.

Deferring the kickoff - That was immediately the obvious thing to do for us know nothings that played Madden.

It took years for coaches to figure out deferring was the better option.

I can’t believe NFL coaches haven’t figured out they should change the setting to beginner mode before every game.  If I was a NFL coach I’d do that every time, and never lose plus my players would lead the league in EVERY statistical category!  NFL coaches are so stupid.

[nobody 2,642]

9 hours ago, JagFan said:

I can’t believe NFL coaches haven’t figured out they should change the setting to beginner mode before every game.  If I was a NFL coach I’d do that every time, and never lose plus my players would lead the league in EVERY statistical category!  NFL coaches are so stupid.

That's not something that exists in real life, jagfan.

[nobody 2,642]

Maybe I'm the genius.   

[nobody 2,642]

Here's another big innovation that some genius should come up with.  Tush push isn't really disguised.  The point of the play is even though you know it's coming, you can't stop the offense from gaining one yard.  At the same time, QBs are the most valuable players on the field.  Pushing QBs head first into a pile of pissed off 300 pounders and defensive backs trying to jump over the line and stop him isn't optimal.

So here is the big innovation... A lot of tightends have experience playing QB in their past, so they know how to take a snap.  Even if they don't have experience, it's not that complicated.  Why not train a tightend or a fullback to run the tush push?

I know... Hahaha that's so dumb.. until 5 years from now when a coach does it, and everyone calls them a genius, and I make the 2030 version of this thread saying that was obvious and you guys insist that it was so genius.