Several SCOTUS decisions coming out today.....

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

No I'm not.  I don't even believe in "DEI hire".  I think it's a racist dog whistle.  I'm on record as being pro dei programs and believing that minority status has no bearing on qualifications.  You?

Then perhaps you should reconsider putting those words, and several others, in someone else's mouth before you try to ask questions.  I ain't playing your stupid games.

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2 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Then perhaps you should reconsider putting those words, and several others, in someone else's mouth before you try to ask questions.  I ain't playing your stupid games.

Ok fair enough now here is your chance to use your own words.  Do you believe dei results in unqualified people getting jobs?

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Ok fair enough now here is your chance to use your own words.  Do you believe dei results in unqualified people getting jobs?

I believe hiring based on sex or race is wrong and undermines ones qualifications.  Qualified people can be hired within DEI but it often does hire unqualified people by limiting the candidate pool.  

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5 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

I believe hiring based on sex or race is wrong and undermines ones qualifications.  Qualified people can be hired within DEI but it often does hire unqualified people by limiting the candidate pool.  

Dei programs do not limit the candidate pool so you're wrong there.  They actually expand the candidate pool.

But I am glad that you at least acknowledge that minorites CAN be qualified for jobs even if they are often not.  It's the "often not" part that is ugly.

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Dei programs do not limit the candidate pool so you're wrong there.  They actually expand the candidate pool.

But I am glad that you at least acknowledge that minorites CAN be qualified for jobs even if they are often not.  It's the "often not" part that is ugly.

When someone announces they are going to make a DEI hire, it absolutely limits the candidate pool.   In Ketanji's case, she may be totally qualified but Biden eliminated potentially more qualified candidates by limiting it to black women.  Biden is the only one that undermined her qualifications.  

Perhaps we don't need DEI and just stick to hiring the most qualified candidate.  You dems can't get race and sex out of anything though.

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57 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So you think she's unqualified.  Based on what?

She thinks you need to be a biologist in order to define what a woman is. How can she possibly make decisions about women if she’s unable to define one? 

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20 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well sir I would argue that your defense of the ugly and racist term “DEI hire” is the focked up part, but hey that’s just me. 

So, in your mind, the left championed DEI, but it was never used as a basis to hire or advance anybody? 

Is that your contention? 

Either they lied to the rubes to virtue signal or they believe in it and used it as a basis to hire and/or advance people. 

Which is it? 

 

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52 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Are liberals offended by DEI?  They sure get their panties in a bunch when it's used.

The right is the side that made the phrase “DEI hire” derogatory.

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3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

The right is the side that made the phrase “DEI hire” derogatory.

Because DEI is not only racist, it's derogatory.  I'm not sure why your synapses aren't firing on this, but you need to understand that when you use race as a qualification, that makes it inherently racist.

And it's derogatory because no one wants to be known as "the person who was hired because they are X".  

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?  You're literally advocating to fight racism with even MORE racism.

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4 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Because DEI is not only racist, it's derogatory.  I'm not sure why your synapses aren't firing on this, but you need to understand that when you use race as a qualification, that is inherently racist.

And it's derogatory because no one wants to be known as "the person who was hired because they are X".  

Why is this so difficult for you to understand?  You're literally advocating to fight racism with even MORE racism.

This is understood by people with common sense. 

Unfortunately, we are in short supply these days. 

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11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The right is the side that made the phrase “DEI hire” derogatory.

DEI was derogatory from the start 

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Corporations, government and universities have or had DEI programs and offices.  Their goal was to hire people based on DEI criteria. But you can’t acknowledge it or you’re a racist.  

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Corporations, government and universities have or had DEI programs and offices.  Their goal was to hire people based on DEI criteria. But you can’t acknowledge it or you’re a racist.  

That about sums it up. Tim said so. 

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6 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

That about sums it up. Tim said so. 

They are just mad because the likes of Joe Biden proclaim they are making a DEI hire for the virtue points.  He’s just supposed to do it without saying it, like Obama.  But then how else are old corrupt incompetent white guys going to get minorities to vote for them? 

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They are just mad because the likes of Joe Biden proclaim they are making a DEI hire for the virtue points.  He’s just supposed to do it without saying it, like Obama.  But then how else are old corrupt incompetent white guys going to get minorities to vote for them? 

Not only minorities, but self loathing white people too. 

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1 minute ago, 5-Points said:

Not only minorities, but self loathing white people too. 

They generally just go with what the DNC gives them.  Hey haven’t had a legit primary since 2012 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They generally just go with what the DNC gives them.  Hey haven’t had a legit primary since 2012 

True. 

In spite of their constant "outrage" about dictatorships and attacks on democracy. They fully support it when their side engages in it. 

 

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1. DEI isn’t racist. 
2. If you belittle someone by describing them as a “DEI hire” YOU are being racist. 
3. Biden was not racist nor sexist for wanting a qualified black woman on the Court. The racist and sexist part is that, in the whole of the Court’s existence, there have only been 3 blacks on the Court and 6 women. Until numbers like those change significantly in all aspects of our culture, affirmative action and DEI will be absolutely necessary. 

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Couldn't answer the question huh? 

 

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I mean think about it. Almost all of you whiners about DEI, here and elsewhere, are white males. Of the 116 Supreme Court justices in our history, 108 have been white males. 

And this percentage is pretty much the same in nearly every other aspect of our society (major team sports being the only exception, only recently, and only because it’s the the only industry that is truly merit based without institutional racism, amd that’s true only for the athletes.) 

So all of you privileged whites reading this, stop b!tching about racism against white people. You don’t get to. Ever. Just go about your lives and maybe feel guilty a little bit sometimes for those who don’t have what we have and maybe try and even the odds a little. No matter how much we try we’ll never even them enough. 

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8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. DEI isn’t racist. 
2. If you belittle someone by describing them as a “DEI hire” YOU are being racist. 
3. Biden was not racist nor sexist for wanting a qualified black woman on the Court. The racist and sexist part is that, in the whole of the Court’s existence, there have only been 3 blacks on the Court and 6 women. Until numbers like those change significantly in all aspects of our culture, affirmative action and DEI will be absolutely necessary. 

Why would describing someone as a DEI hire belittle them? 

Is it because they weren't hired based on merit but some other set of made up criteria that has nothing to do with merit but everything to do with race, gender, sexual preference or mental disorder? 

 

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48 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Corporations, government and universities have or had DEI programs and offices.  Their goal was to hire people based on DEI criteria. But you can’t acknowledge it or you’re a racist.  

We acknowledge it all the time.  It's you that says these people are unqualified.

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2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Why would describing someone as a DEI hire belittle them? 

Is it because they weren't hired based on merit but some other set of made up criteria that has nothing to do with merit but everything to do with race, gender, sexual preference or mental disorder? 

 

Nope. 
The answer to your question is that there is an inherent assumption among bigots that black people aren’t as smart as white people. And when you label someone a “DEI hire” you imply that they aren’t qualified for their position but only achieved it for to their race. 

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The use of the term also assumes that any white person in a similar position must have achieved it through merit- which we all know is total bullsh!t as well. 

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20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. DEI isn’t racist. 
2. If you belittle someone by describing them as a “DEI hire” YOU are being racist. 
3. Biden was not racist nor sexist for wanting a qualified black woman on the Court. The racist and sexist part is that, in the whole of the Court’s existence, there have only been 3 blacks on the Court and 6 women. Until numbers like those change significantly in all aspects of our culture, affirmative action and DEI will be absolutely necessary. 

Negative.  

You should try to remove yourself from the cult instead of trying to revise history and gaslight.  Every point you made is FACTUALLY incorrect.

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Nope. 
The answer to your question is that there is an inherent assumption among bigots that black people aren’t as smart as white people. And when you label someone a “DEI hire” you imply that they aren’t qualified for their position but only achieved it for to their race. 

No, when you institute idiotic policies like DEI, you open people up to scrutiny when they are deemed incompetent or under qualified for their position based on their performance in that position. 

As a side benefit, it gives race grifters, like you, a platform to declare others racist for expressing their opinions. 

Thankfully, nobody gives a sh!t about being called racist anymore. You, and disingenuous people like you, have abused the word so often, for so long, that it doesn't mean anything anymore. 

 

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One black Supreme Court justice is an equal representation of black people in this country. Two means they are over represented.  Just sayin, considering we are doing identity politics.  

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I mean think about it. Almost all of you whiners about DEI, here and elsewhere, are white males. Of the 116 Supreme Court justices in our history, 108 have been white males. 

And this percentage is pretty much the same in nearly every other aspect of our society (major team sports being the only exception, only recently, and only because it’s the the only industry that is truly merit based without institutional racism, amd that’s true only for the athletes.) 

So all of you privileged whites reading this, stop b!tching about racism against white people. You don’t get to. Ever. Just go about your lives and maybe feel guilty a little bit sometimes for those who don’t have what we have and maybe try and even the odds a little. No matter how much we try we’ll never even them enough. 

How about you stop bitching about racism against Jews?  You're as privileged as anyone.  I mean your dad literally handed you a business.

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1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

The use of the term also assumes that any white person in a similar position must have achieved it through merit- which we all know is total bullsh!t as well. 

So your problem is with the left that came up with the term in the first place?  Great, we agree.  The term is derogatory in general. 

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6 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

How about you stop bitching about racism against Jews?  You're as privileged as anyone.  I mean your dad literally handed you a business.

I don't begrudge him that.

But to turn around and act like everybody else was born with the same silver spoon and didn't get where they are through their own hard work and determination is focking pathetic. 

He didn't have to do it, so he thinks no other white people had to either.  We all just got handed a decent life on a silver platter with no effort or hardship. 

He and his mindset are what is wrong with this country. 

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38 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

One black Supreme Court justice is an equal representation of black people in this country. Two means they are over represented.  Just sayin, considering we are doing identity politics.  

Cry harder Archie bunker

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9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Cry harder Archie Bunker

Dood was awesome!

 

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28 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Cry harder Archie bunker

Another liberal that doesn't know basic math. Shocking...

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2 hours ago, 5-Points said:

Couldn't answer the question huh? 

 

What was the question?

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4 hours ago, 5-Points said:

So, in your mind, the left championed DEI, but it was never used as a basis to hire or advance anybody? 

Is that your contention? 

Either they lied to the rubes to virtue signal or they believe in it and used it as a basis to hire and/or advance people. 

Which is it? 

 

 

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What was the question?

 

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. DEI isn’t racist. 
2. If you belittle someone by describing them as a “DEI hire” YOU are being racist. 

Agree.  The concept of DEI as a whole is not racist, although I think the E should have stood for equality and not equity.  It was intended to make an equal playing field for those that did not have one originally.  That’s  not racist, although some companies did take it too far.

People like @5-Points and @BrahmaBulls trying to pretend that it’s libs’ fault if the phrase “DEI hire” is considered derogatory is hilarious.   The reason the right is the side that made it derogatory is that they often use it after a person has failed at their job, like a pilot that crashes a plane.  That is obviously derogatory, don’t blame it on libs.

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Agree.  The concept of DEI as a whole is not racist, although I think the E should have stood for equality and not equity.  It was intended to make an equal playing field for those that did not have one originally.  That’s  not racist, although some companies did take it too far.

People like @5-Points and @BrahmaBulls trying to pretend that it’s libs’ fault if the phrase “DEI hire” is considered derogatory is hilarious.   The reason the right is the side that made it derogatory is that they often use it after a person has failed at their job, like a pilot that crashes a plane.  That is obviously derogatory, don’t blame it on libs.

JfC...the ENTIRE purpose of DEI is to hire and promote people  based on their race. 

Only a retard could be in favor of DEI programs then say they are against exactly what they do. 

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3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Agree.  The concept of DEI as a whole is not racist.

Yes it is..

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2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Yes it is..

Putting people in buckets based upon some arbitrary criteria is so effing racist. The US is a melting pot,  the buckets they make up are complete BS. 

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Agree.  The concept of DEI as a whole is not racist, although I think the E should have stood for equality and not equity.  It was intended to make an equal playing field for those that did not have one originally.  That’s  not racist, although some companies did take it too far.

People like @5-Points and @BrahmaBulls trying to pretend that it’s libs’ fault if the phrase “DEI hire” is considered derogatory is hilarious.   The reason the right is the side that made it derogatory is that they often use it after a person has failed at their job, like a pilot that crashes a plane.  That is obviously derogatory, don’t blame it on libs.

DEI is, by definition, the practice of advancing lesser qualified people in the name of diversity, equity and inclusion. 

Is it not?