Texas flooding terrible, tragic

[thegeneral 3,208]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That was a week later. Dirtbag. 

In a week it is ok to politicize this. Roger that. 

[BrahmaBulls 763]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t know if ten more meteorologists would change anything. But I would rather have them. I said that at the time and I’m repeating it now. On issues of public safety I would prefer to go overboard. I don’t understand the desire by conservatives to cut these programs. 

Warnings were issued in plenty of time.  What do more people change?  

[Ron_Artest 1,512]

10 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Warnings were issued in plenty of time.  What do more people change?  

Instead of posting warnings on a social media app, implement a system that directly notifies officials so they can actually do something 

[BrahmaBulls 763]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Instead of posting warnings on a social media app, implement a system that directly notifies officials so they can actually do something 

Biden brain, you want enough people hired where they personally knock on everyone's door?   An official flood watch was issued several hours in advance and a flood warning multiple hours.  Those show up on every weather app.   It's okay to say your fake outrage here was wrong and move along to troll another thread.

[Ron_Artest 1,512]

4 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Biden brain, you want enough people hired where they personally knock on everyone's door?   An official flood watch was issued several hours in advance and a flood warning multiple hours.  Those show up on every weather app.   It's okay to say your fake outrage here was wrong and move along to troll another thread.

So there is nothing that could have been done?  Nothing to do in the future?

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Once again you’re completely wrong. It would be irresponsible to blame this on Trump at this point and it’s unlikely we’ll ever know for sure. But at the same time cuts to the National Weather Service, FEMA, and other agencies WERE made, and experts warned us a few months ago that these cuts would make us less safe and lead to more deaths. We can’t just ignore that now.
 

In addition, for decades now, long before Trump, conservatives have, whenever in power, attempted to roll back government agencies that fight these sorts of disasters: you guys are ALWAYS for cutting them down, reducing their manpower, reversing the restrictions they impose to protect society. This fact shouldn’t be ignored either. 

 

LOL. You say It would be irresponsible to blame this on Trump, BUT you blame this on Trump.

[Fnord 2,264]

16 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

All the BS spouted by Castro, Schumer FNord and the rest of you creatures has been debunked by the NWS. Shame on all of you. 

The NWS hasn't debunked any of the questions I'm asking. You haven't answered any of the several I've directed at you. You've never shied away from making something political, either.

For a dude that makes as many thoughtless, moronic, tangential statements as you do while never providing supporting facts, it's pretty ballsy to then turn around and pretend I should be ashamed when you could have just provided a simple link. What a cowardly, anti-intellectual poossy you are. You have similar character traits to those of a jilted, psychotically deranged woman.

And, to be clear, I'm just asking questions. Go ahead and point out where I've laid blame directly on any person or agency. I'll wait, LOL.

[Fnord 2,264]

1 hour ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Warnings were issued in plenty of time.  What do more people change?  

Quote

The staffing shortages suggested a separate problem, those former officials said — the loss of experienced people who would typically have helped communicate with local authorities in the hours after flash flood warnings were issued overnight.

The National Weather Service’s San Angelo office, which is responsible for some of the areas hit hardest by Friday’s flooding, was missing a senior hydrologist, staff forecaster and meteorologist in charge, according to Tom Fahy, the legislative director for the National Weather Service Employees Organization, the union that represents Weather Service workers.

The Weather Service’s nearby San Antonio office, which covers other areas hit by the floods, also had significant vacancies, including a warning coordination meteorologist and science officer, Mr. Fahy said. Staff members in those positions are meant to work with local emergency managers to plan for floods, including when and how to warn local residents and help them evacuate.

That office’s warning coordination meteorologist left on April 30, after taking the early retirement package the Trump administration used to reduce the number of federal employees, according to a person with knowledge of his departure.

 

[HellToupee 1,775]

Oh boy……

 

Texas flooding: Kerr County said no to alert sirens over cost — now it’s facing the consequences

Jul 08, 2025, 12:02:00 AM IST

When the Guadalupe River rose from one foot to over 34 feet in just a few hours, inundating parts of Kerr County in the early morning on Friday while most residents were asleep and by the time many realized what was happening, it was already too late, as per a report. This has led to increased scrutiny about Kerr County's past decisions to reject an outdoor siren alert system because of cost concerns, as reported by Latin Times.

 

Kerr County Siren System Rejected Over Cost Concerns

As Kerr County is located in a flood-prone region of the Texas Hill Country, there were proposals for siren-based warning systems, but they were previously rejected because of the financial burden on local taxpayers, according to the report.
 

State Bill to Improve Alerts Failed in Senate

Earlier this year, an effort at the state level to improve the emergency communication infrastructure, House Bill 13, failed in the Texas Senate, as reported by Latin Times. Bill 13 was to fund the improved disaster alert systems and provided grants for counties to build infrastructure like sirens and radio towers, as per the report.

ALSO READ: Trump’s tariffs may split the world into 3 rival blocs — here’s where each nation could land
 

Lawmakers Now Rethinking Their Vote

But a few lawmakers, like state Rep. Wes Virdell, had voted against it because of its projected $500 million cost, though several now are saying that they would reconsider their stance as flash flooding killed about 82 people statewide, with 68 of them in Kerr County alone, according to Latin Times report.
 

Flash Flood Strikes While Residents Slept

Those who were killed were attending camps or camping along the river, and even though mobile alerts were issued via the National Weather Service, many residents are believed to have not seen the warnings because they were issued in the early morning hours, or many even lacked access to mobile devices, as per the report.

ALSO READ: Flyers fume as Southwest Airlines shocks passengers with policy changes — key updates you need to know
 

No Backup Alert System in Place

According to the report, only a county-wide siren system could have served as a secondary, audible layer of alert, which Kerr County never implemented. Now the local and state officials are trying to search, conduct rescue operations, and support survivors, as per Latin Times.

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

LOL. You say It would be irresponsible to blame this on Trump, BUT you blame this on Trump.

Actually no. I’m saying (1) I think it’s legitimate to ask questions and (2) I am criticizing the conservative movement in general, NOT Trump,  for always looking to reduce safety. 

[squistion 2,198]

 

[HellToupee 1,775]

Scoop doing his c&p thang 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

31 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Oh boy……

 

Texas flooding: Kerr County said no to alert sirens over cost — now it’s facing the consequences

Jul 08, 2025, 12:02:00 AM IST

When the Guadalupe River rose from one foot to over 34 feet in just a few hours, inundating parts of Kerr County in the early morning on Friday while most residents were asleep and by the time many realized what was happening, it was already too late, as per a report. This has led to increased scrutiny about Kerr County's past decisions to reject an outdoor siren alert system because of cost concerns, as reported by Latin Times.

 

Kerr County Siren System Rejected Over Cost Concerns

As Kerr County is located in a flood-prone region of the Texas Hill Country, there were proposals for siren-based warning systems, but they were previously rejected because of the financial burden on local taxpayers, according to the report.
 

State Bill to Improve Alerts Failed in Senate

Earlier this year, an effort at the state level to improve the emergency communication infrastructure, House Bill 13, failed in the Texas Senate, as reported by Latin Times. Bill 13 was to fund the improved disaster alert systems and provided grants for counties to build infrastructure like sirens and radio towers, as per the report.

ALSO READ: Trump’s tariffs may split the world into 3 rival blocs — here’s where each nation could land
 

Lawmakers Now Rethinking Their Vote

But a few lawmakers, like state Rep. Wes Virdell, had voted against it because of its projected $500 million cost, though several now are saying that they would reconsider their stance as flash flooding killed about 82 people statewide, with 68 of them in Kerr County alone, according to Latin Times report.
 

Flash Flood Strikes While Residents Slept

Those who were killed were attending camps or camping along the river, and even though mobile alerts were issued via the National Weather Service, many residents are believed to have not seen the warnings because they were issued in the early morning hours, or many even lacked access to mobile devices, as per the report.

ALSO READ: Flyers fume as Southwest Airlines shocks passengers with policy changes — key updates you need to know
 

No Backup Alert System in Place

According to the report, only a county-wide siren system could have served as a secondary, audible layer of alert, which Kerr County never implemented. Now the local and state officials are trying to search, conduct rescue operations, and support survivors, as per Latin Times.

And again: this is a state of Texas thing but it’s based on conservative philosophy everywhere- they are always trying to cut costs at the expense of safety. Whatever your criticism is of liberals, they don’t tend to do that. 

[HellToupee 1,775]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

And again: this is a state of Texas thing but it’s based on conservative philosophy everywhere- they are always trying to cut costs at the expense of safety. Whatever your criticism is of liberals, they don’t tend to do that. 

Do you ever consider the billions we are pissing away on illegals ? What a difference it could make to our country 

[Meglamaniac 497]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

they are always trying to cut costs at the expense of safety. 

Cutting costs doesn't mean less safe

 

HTH

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

8 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

Cutting costs doesn't mean less safe

 

HTH

But it can. And it often does. 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

16 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Do you ever consider the billions we are pissing away on illegals ? What a difference it could make to our country 

I never consider this because undocumented immigrants bring in more overall revenue than they take out. They are a net economic positive. 

[Meglamaniac 497]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

But it can. And it often does. 

Once again you post in absolutes and then backtrack

 

Carry on

[Grace Under Pressure 112]

Terrible tragedy, first and foremost.

The warnings and responses seem to be a state and local issue. They should address it. Unfortunately, it seems like plans to improve these systems were kicked down the road. 

[Sandy Loam 99]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

 

BrahmaBalls is right there with Turdcore when it comes to ignorance, misinformation and unsupported statements. Fun to see a good infoscorching.

[Sandy Loam 99]

Cruz lied about ability to get back. What a Texor-sized doosh.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/vacationing-ted-cruzs-as-fast-as-humanly-possible-return-claim-crumbles/

[HellToupee 1,775]

43 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

Cruz lied about ability to get back. What a Texor-sized doosh.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/vacationing-ted-cruzs-as-fast-as-humanly-possible-return-claim-crumbles/

Cruz pulling a Karen Bass? Let’s see Bass was in Africa 4 days and was vigorously defended. 

[TheNewGirl 1,490]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

And again: this is a state of Texas thing but it’s based on conservative philosophy everywhere- they are always trying to cut costs at the expense of safety. Whatever your criticism is of liberals, they don’t tend to do that. 

They don't? 

My city in CA is literally meeting next week to talk about their budget shortfalls; first thing they claim to be cutting is fire fighters, EMTs, and Police. 

Meanwhile, city managers salary has gone up 400% in 15 years to nearly $500k/year. 

Several fire departments all over the state of CA have closed in recent years due to "cuts" at the expense of safety, mean while they throw billions at the High Speed Train to Nowhere (oh, sorry, Merced to Bakersfield), and the "homeless." 

Fock off, Tim. You're so ridiculous. 

[TheNewGirl 1,490]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I never consider this because undocumented immigrants bring in more overall revenue than they take out. They are a net economic positive. 

To a bankrupt Medical program - sure that's a positive there. 

Millions of Californians cannot get health care at all because......they let illegals start using those funds. 

Fock off, Tim. 

[squistion 2,198]

4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

To a bankrupt Medical program - sure that's a positive there. 

Millions of Californians cannot get health care at all because......they let illegals start using those funds. 

Fock off, Tim. 

I am not sure that is an entirely accurate statement or at least I don't recall hearing that claim before.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 hour ago, Sandy Loam said:

Cruz lied about ability to get back. What a Texor-sized doosh.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/vacationing-ted-cruzs-as-fast-as-humanly-possible-return-claim-crumbles/

I understand we have become a country of optics over even substance.   I believe politicians, like Cruz, know this and have accepted that paradigm when they sought office.  That said what would he have been able to do from Texas he could not do from Greece.  It is not as if he was going to be actively involved in the search.  If he were on scene he would have distracted from the search with first responders then guarding him and clearing traffic for him instead of them searching.

 

Still, I condem hiim for saying one thing and doing another when grief stricken constituents are given an expectation by him, an expectation he intended to benefit him politically.  He is an asshat.  BTW, i live in Colorado yet I get at least one text a week from his campaign asking for donations.  I find that irritating.  I would not donate to his campaign if he were running in my state, more less another.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

21 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

To a bankrupt Medical program - sure that's a positive there. 

Millions of Californians cannot get health care at all because......they let illegals start using those funds. 

Fock off, Tim. 

Tim likes to make that claim based on a poorly run survey of literature done 8 years ago which survey did not account for a large number of factors such as school overcrowding leading to reduced educational opportunity and attainment by our students which costs no doubt runs into the trillions over the students lifetimes and which does not monetize the loss of life of americans who are murdered, or the loss of quality of life of those raped or trafficed.  This has been pointed out to him.  He has never had a response.  He simply ignores any such arguments as he wishes to cling to his belief.  He does so by citing the authors of the paper as experts, though experts are, of course, more cautious in their conclusions, are unbiased, and would readily acknowledge they did not include all of the variables in their survey as all of the variables are extemely hard to identify.  Tim likes to say he is reasonable, open to information, and likes discussion, but when the discussion will clearly prove him wrong and require such an acknowledgement he runs and hides and then weeks later comes out with the same stupid claim as if it ws never debunked.

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

27 minutes ago, squistion said:

I am not sure that is an entirely accurate statement or at least I don't recall hearing that claim before.

It’s a false claim. 

[Meglamaniac 497]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s a false claim. 

LOL

The all knowing has spoken

(pay no attention to the man behind the curtin)

[Hardcore troubadour 15,423]

21 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Squishy, FNord, Gutterboy. Shame on the three of you. 

Rusty as well. Gross. 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

14 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Tim likes to make that claim based on a poorly run survey of literature done 8 years ago which survey did not account for a large number of factors such as school overcrowding leading to reduced educational opportunity and attainment by our students which costs no doubt runs into the trillions over the students lifetimes and which does not monetize the loss of life of americans who are murdered, or the loss of quality of life of those raped or trafficed.  This has been pointed out to him.  He has never had a response.  He simply ignores any such arguments as he wishes to cling to his belief.  He does so by citing the authors of the paper as experts, though experts are, of course, more cautious in their conclusions, are unbiased, and would readily acknowledge they did not include all of the variables in their survey as all of the variables are extemely hard to identify.  Tim likes to say he is reasonable, open to information, and likes discussion, but when the discussion will clearly prove him wrong and require such an acknowledgement he runs and hides and then weeks later comes out with the same stupid claim as if it ws never debunked.

So much wrong here. Both your representation of me and your misrepresentation of the facts. 
 

Nearly every assertion you make here is false but the worst part by far is when you talk about the loss of life caused by a few criminals and then attempt to argue that this is the collective cost (and guilt) of millions of innocent people. It’s a really shameful statement. 
 

Both you and @TheNewGirl are completely wrong about this subject, but sadly all too many people are. 

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

41 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

They don't? 

My city in CA is literally meeting next week to talk about their budget shortfalls; first thing they claim to be cutting is fire fighters, EMTs, and Police. 

Meanwhile, city managers salary has gone up 400% in 15 years to nearly $500k/year. 

Several fire departments all over the state of CA have closed in recent years due to "cuts" at the expense of safety, mean while they throw billions at the High Speed Train to Nowhere (oh, sorry, Merced to Bakersfield), and the "homeless." 

Fock off, Tim. You're so ridiculous. 

First off not everyone you’re criticizing here can be categorized as liberal. Second I never wrote that no liberal cuts spending for public safety; I wrote they don’t tend to. Which is absolutely true. 

You are correct about the high speed boondoggle. That was an absurd idea from the beginning though unrelated to the subject matter. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

So much wrong here. Both your representation of me and your misrepresentation of the facts. 
 

Nearly every assertion you make here is false but the worst part by far is when you talk about the loss of life caused by a few criminals and then attempt to argue that this is the collective cost (and guilt) of millions of innocent people. It’s a really shameful statement. 
 

Both you and @TheNewGirl are completely wrong about this subject, but sadly all too many people are. 

Hey Tim, Fu(k off!  And , again, you don't address the matter, you seek to deflect, which is an admission you are full of sh1t but won't admit it.  You have zero credibility.  You are an irritant, nothing more. Some day I hope to meet so I can slap you into a blubbering mess.  Have a nice day.

[Meglamaniac 497]

20 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Hey Tim, Fu(k off!  And , again, you don't address the matter, you seek to deflect, which is an admission you are full of sh1t but won't admit it.  You have zero credibility.  You are an irritant, nothing more.Some day i hope to meet so i can slap you into a blubberin g mess.  Have a nice day.

EG you posted this in the wrong thread, it belongs in the "Twat Slap Tuesday" thread

[Ron_Artest 1,512]

38 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Rusty as well. Gross. 

Trump's Katrina.

[The Real timschochet 6,761]

34 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Hey Tim, Fu(k off!  And , again, you don't address the matter, you seek to deflect, which is an admission you are full of sh1t but won't admit it.  You have zero credibility.  You are an irritant, nothing more.Some day i hope to meet so i can slap you into a blubberin g mess.  Have a nice day.

Lol. You have a nice day too. 

[Strike 5,538]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

And again: this is a state of Texas thing but it’s based on conservative philosophy everywhere- they are always trying to cut costs at the expense of safety. Whatever your criticism is of liberals, they don’t tend to do that. 

Yeah, because CA has done a bang up job at managing their forests to prevent wildfires!!!!!

[Ron_Artest 1,512]

37 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Hey Tim, Fu(k off!  And , again, you don't address the matter, you seek to deflect, which is an admission you are full of sh1t but won't admit it.  You have zero credibility.  You are an irritant, nothing more.Some day i hope to meet so i can slap you into a blubberin g mess.  Have a nice day.

I always assumed you were above this type of behavior.  I was wrong.

[Sandy Loam 99]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I understand we have become a country of optics over even substance.   I believe politicians, like Cruz, know this and have accepted that paradigm when they sought office.  That said what would he have been able to do from Texas he could not do from Greece.  It is not as if he was going to be actively involved in the search.  If he were on scene he would have distracted from the search with first responders then guarding him and clearing traffic for him instead of them searching.

 

Still, I condem hiim for saying one thing and doing another when grief stricken constituents are given an expectation by him, an expectation he intended to benefit him politically.  He is an asshat.  BTW, i live in Colorado yet I get at least one text a week from his campaign asking for donations.  I find that irritating.  I would not donate to his campaign if he were running in my state, more less another.

It appears to be a pattern now. Why does any politician travel to a disaster scene? Trump went to Haiti.

That winter storm we had a few years ago was like nothing we'd ever seen for at least generations. Places like where I live don't get below freezing that often in the winter, and here we had a crazy amount of snow and ice and sub-0 temperatures for days and days. The power grid was fuxored, with power outages and rolling blackouts. And that focker Cruz gets on a commercial jet and goes to Cancun with his family.

I like John Cornyn just fine, but Cruz is a Trump-bootlicking doosh who needs to be voted out.

[BrahmaBulls 763]

So according to a meteorologist, there were 5 staff members working instead of 2.  You guys think she knows what she's talking about?

https://x.com/Ginger_Zee/status/1942319687154426261

Or an atmospheric science dude showing that Wednesday morning an Austin TV weather guy broke down the potential for an historic flood event.

https://x.com/MatthewCappucci/status/1941887516530852258

 

I guess Gutter and Tim are still waiting for these guys to go knock on everyone's door individually.