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Why Life May Not Be As Abundant As We Think

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So we all know about the Goldie Locks section of the solar system. Earth is in just the right place to host life. Also you know that galaxies also have Goldie Lock sections. You get too close to the center and it's too crowded. Things slamming into each other. Things like supernovas and Pulsars wiping out nearby planets in other solar systems. You get too far out and there are not enough heavy elements to create rocky plants. So that takes out a lot of stars in the galaxy that can host life. 

OK TEK, but that still leaves a lot of stars in the Goldie locks section. Fair enough. But let's look at what those need to host life. 

First a planet needs a rotating liquid center to create a magnetic field to protect it from it's stars radiation. Then you need a moon to stabilize the wobble of its axis. That moon needs to be the right size and in the right place to do this. 

Then lets look at the planets themselves. We are mostly finding super Earths. The problem with these is that if life evolves, the gravity of that planet is much heavier than the Earths, making very difficult if not impossible for life to reach space. This will slow down it's science. The energy to break free from it's own atmosphere is just too great. There may be intelligent life, but it's not going anywhere. 

Now lets look at the Great Filters for life. The first life on earth were single cell organisms that created our oxygen atmosphere. The problem was they couldn't survive in an oxygen atmosphere. But somewhere along the way the absorbed a protein that let them survive it. That's just one Great Filter. There are probably others. 

But TEK what about UFOs? The government is even admitting they are real. OK. Well let's look at that. 

I find it suspicious that suddenly the government is going from FAKE NEWS to ok we are seeing things. Suddenly whistleblowers are not being prosecuted. And it's interesting that they all seem to come from a counter intelligence background. Can you say FAULSE FLAG operation? 

But lets say it's not. So where are these things coming from? Other planets. Not likely. The distance and energy it takes to reach another star system to great. If the speed of light is really the fastest anything can go then the time it takes to cross the vast distances between stars makes me wonder why a super intelligent species would bother to do so. I would think they would do something better with its resources than to look at a bunch of monkeys with nuclear power. Unless they see us as a threat, which in unlikely. If they are real most likely they would be interdimensional. 

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For the Bible Thumpers let me say I believe in God. I've experience too many miracles big and small to not know someone is watching out for me.

You're going to say God created the earth in one day and so on. But the Hebrew version of the Bible didn't say Day. It said something along the lines of period or era. The Greeks didn't have a word for it so they translated it into Day. Well what was a day if the earth hadn't been created yet? God's "Day" could be millions or billions of our years. I'm on your side, but you have to take into account for things lost in the translations of the Hebrew bible. 

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2 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

It's really simple. The universe big-banged out of a speck of dust, formed expanding matter, and created life out of dirt and water.

Wouldn't the big bang be considered a miracle? Funny I just watched a video where some scientist are thinking that it wasn't a big bang, but a big bounce. The universe didn't become a singularity, it just got to a polnt that instead of a singularity, it just bounced back. They say that would explain the problems that the James Webb telescope's discoveries have made that contradict the Big Bang Theory and they say it matches the laws of physics. IDK, but it's interesting. 

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A planet doesn’t need a moon or to be in the Goldie locks zone to support life. All it needs a liquid water, an energy source and carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, or sulfur. And time. That’s it. I bet life is so common if we were actually able to travel far distances it wouldn’t even excite us anymore. 

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I think the Panspermia theory is most likely true.

Panspermia is the hypothesisthat life exists throughout the universe, distributed by space dust, meteoroids, asteroids, comets, and planetoids, as well as by spacecraft carrying unintended contamination by microorganisms, known as directed panspermia. The theory argues that life did not originate on Earth, but instead evolved somewhere else and seeded life as we know it.

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1 minute ago, iam90sbaby said:

I think the Panspermia theory is most likely true.

Panspermia is the hypothesisthat life exists throughout the universe, distributed by space dust, meteoroids, asteroids, comets, and planetoids, as well as by spacecraft carrying unintended contamination by microorganisms, known as directed panspermia. The theory argues that life did not originate on Earth, but instead evolved somewhere else and seeded life as we know it.

That could explain how, but does anyone know why?

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2 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

That could explain how, but does anyone know why?

It’s just a theory at this point.. but one of the pieces of evidence that supports this theory is there are a lot of microbes that can survive under extreme radiation for up to a decade or longer, which wouldn’t be part of their evolutionary process if they evolved on earth. 

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Human centric. 

We believe that life has to be like us, has to have what we have.    None of that may be true

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1 hour ago, The Elevator Killer said:

Wouldn't the big bang be considered a miracle? Funny I just watched a video where some scientist are thinking that it wasn't a big bang, but a big bounce. The universe didn't become a singularity, it just got to a polnt that instead of a singularity, it just bounced back. They say that would explain the problems that the James Webb telescope's discoveries have made that contradict the Big Bang Theory and they say it matches the laws of physics. IDK, but it's interesting. 

Miracle implies a creator.  Who created the creator?  

It's human to think we're special, but, we're not that special.  

As for traveling near light speed, I've had a theory for a long time that there is a hidden energy to harness in gravity.  Imagine being able to harness the power of gravity like we do electricity.   We wouldn't need to travel long distances, we'd just use gravity to bend space to us.  

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Just now, Horseman said:

Miracle implies a creator.  Who created the creator?  

As for traveling near light speed, I've had a theory for a long time that there is a hidden energy to harness in gravity.  Imagine being able to harness the power of gravity like we do electricity.   We wouldn't need to travel long distances, we'd just use gravity to bend space to us.  

So you watched interstellar?

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7 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Most everything we know about space is theories and hypothesis.  @Horseman, I think, might be on to something. 

What I’m saying is that basically the ending of interstellar. 

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13 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Miracle implies a creator.  Who created the creator?  

It's human to think we're special, but, we're not that special.  

As for traveling near light speed, I've had a theory for a long time that there is a hidden energy to harness in gravity.  Imagine being able to harness the power of gravity like we do electricity.   We wouldn't need to travel long distances, we'd just use gravity to bend space to us.  

Well I threw two didn't things at you, so my bad. On creation, I was looking at my own life and at things that shouldn't of went my way. Really I shouldn't still be here. I think if anyone looks at their own life they can find things that make you say, Hmmm. That was awfully lucky. But that's up to you. 

As for aliens, my point wasn't so much as they don't exist, but not as much as we would think and if they did manage to bend space time and gravity, we aren't so special to make that effort for. And if we are then my point that intelligent life is more rare than we think or they wouldn't bother. But good points. Good conversation.

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18 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Miracle implies a creator.  Who created the creator?  

It's human to think we're special, but, we're not that special.  

As for traveling near light speed, I've had a theory for a long time that there is a hidden energy to harness in gravity.  Imagine being able to harness the power of gravity like we do electricity.   We wouldn't need to travel long distances, we'd just use gravity to bend space to us.  

The phenomenon 

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1 hour ago, iam90sbaby said:

A planet doesn’t need a moon or to be in the Goldie locks zone to support life. All it needs a liquid water, an energy source and carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, or sulfur. And time. That’s it. I bet life is so common if we were actually able to travel far distances it wouldn’t even excite us anymore. 

No it's needs a moon to stabilize the wobble of it's axis. Otherwise the wobble would be to chaotic. Maybe what I've heard is wrong. Lord knows that we aren't as smart as we think we are. Science proves that constantly. 

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1 hour ago, iam90sbaby said:

I think the Panspermia theory is most likely true.

Panspermia is the hypothesisthat life exists throughout the universe, distributed by space dust, meteoroids, asteroids, comets, and planetoids, as well as by spacecraft carrying unintended contamination by microorganisms, known as directed panspermia. The theory argues that life did not originate on Earth, but instead evolved somewhere else and seeded life as we know it.

I buy that, but it still needs to land in the right place under the right circumstances. 

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13 minutes ago, MikeMatt said:

I think TEK needs a drink - or maybe it’s me. :wave: 

Who doesn't? I just wanted to post something that wasn't politics. Something where we can share ideas and learn from each other. 

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10 minutes ago, The Elevator Killer said:

No it's needs a moon to stabilize the wobble of it's axis. Otherwise the wobble would be to chaotic. Maybe what I've heard is wrong. Lord knows that we aren't as smart as we think we are. Science proves that constantly. 

What you heard was wrong. 

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2 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

What you heard was wrong. 

The moon doesn't stabilize the wobble of the earths axis? If you have other evidence I would love to see it. I'm not being a jerk. Obviously I enjoy learning about space. 

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3 minutes ago, The Elevator Killer said:

The moon doesn't stabilize the wobble of the earths axis? If you have other evidence I would love to see it. I'm not being a jerk. Obviously I enjoy learning about space. 

It does, but it isn’t required for life. 
 
Energy source, liquid water, and a biogenic is all you need.

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3 minutes ago, The Elevator Killer said:

The moon doesn't stabilize the wobble of the earths axis? If you have other evidence I would love to see it. I'm not being a jerk. Obviously I enjoy learning about space. 

Not all planets have Moons 

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Just now, iam90sbaby said:

It does, but it isn’t required for life. 

Gotcha. OK, you could be right. Maybe that's why Bigfoot is always so blurry. He's not used to a stable planet. 

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5 minutes ago, The Elevator Killer said:

Gotcha. OK, you could be right. Maybe that's why Bigfoot is always so blurry. He's not used to a stable planet. 

You don’t need a moon for life. 

Mars has two moons but they aren’t even big enough to stabilize its axis and many people think it can support life in the future and possibly even had life in the past.

Europa (a moon) has a very unstable axis and a lot think its oceans may have life.

Energy, water, biogenic is all you need. 

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38 minutes ago, MikeMatt said:

I think TEK needs a drink - or maybe it’s me. :wave: 

He needs something to wash down those shrooms. 

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5 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

You don’t need a moon for life. 

Mars has two moons but they aren’t even big enough to stabilize its axis and many people think it can support life in the future and possibly even had life in the past.

Europa (a moon) has a very unstable axis and a lot think its oceans may have life.

Energy, water, biogenic is all you need. 

Hmmm. Interesting. Maybe I'm off about the moon. I was talking more about intelligent life, but I see your point. 

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2 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

He needs something to wash down those shrooms. 

First I need the Shrooms. I haven't seen those in years and with the fentanyl going into everything I wouldn't risk it. 

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45 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Oh, yeah, for sure.  :thumbsup:

All we need to do is find that library in the black hole and we're good.  :lol:

What do you think about the theory that we are in a black hole? 

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4 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

Have scientists created life from nonliving materials? AI says they haven't, but they do have theories about how it could have happened.

Well they did bring back a cross bread of the Dire Wolf, so who knows what's in the future. 

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1 minute ago, The Elevator Killer said:

Well they did bring back a cross bread of the Dire Wolf, so who knows what's in the future. 

They spliced genetic materials into living materials. I'm talking about heating a rock in a glass of water and seeing life spring forth.

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