If liberal politics causes more crime, then explain this:

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

Laguna Beach is one of the safest cities on Earth: 

https://ktla.com/news/this-orange-county-coastal-city-named-lowest-for-violent-crime-rate/amp/

Now any one who’s been there knows that Laguna Beach is INCREDIBLY liberal, a bastion of woke in conservative Orange County. So why is it so safe?

Answer: it is also an incredibly wealthy area, very expensive to live there. And here is the REAL story: wealthy areas are the safe areas. Crime, especially violent crime, is caused by poverty. Specifically urban poverty. Liberal politics have nothing to do with it. 

[MDC 7,652]

There have been fewer murders in NYC every year since Rudy left office than at any year he was mayor. And Rudy is the right’s big success story. 

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Wealthy people don't villify the police or yell to defund it, at least not their OWN police.  They might yell to defund everyone else's police but not their own.  They want their expensive sh*t protected.

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

 Liberal politics have nothing to do with it. 

Who runs the majority of the biggest, crime-ridden, urban areas in the US?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,708]

The median age is 50.3. Shut up.  

[Dizkneelande 1,119]

Poverty does not cause crime. Poverty does not make you stab an innocent bystander multiple times in the neck. There are Asian countries where people live on dollars a day and they are still safer than any American city. Just stop with the excuses. Crime causes poverty. The 20 trillion spent on the war on poverty proves this. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,708]

Both my parents grew up dirt poor. So did their siblings. They were not criminals.  Their parents also lived in poverty. No criminals. Most of America lived in poverty until recently. Most Americans were not criminals. 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Both my parents grew up dirt poor. So did their siblings. They were not criminals.  Their parents also lived in poverty. No criminals. Most of America lived in poverty until recently. Most Americans were not criminals. 

In America, as in every other country, whenever there is poverty and overcrowding in one area (like a city) there is high crime. This is regardless of skin color or ethnic makeup or whether the city is run by a liberal or a conservative. It’s regardless of the age of the people living there. The only two factors that together consistently produce crime are poverty and overcrowding. Do you accept this to be true? 

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24 minutes ago, MDC said:

There have been fewer murders in NYC every year since Rudy left office than at any year he was mayor. And Rudy is the right’s big success story. 

What and idiot mdpee is.

Doesn't know the difference between actual murders versus reported murders.

Oh hell, all liberals are stupid. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,429]

the number 1 factor for men to end up in jail is lack of a father in the house, no matter what race

 

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30 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Laguna Beach is one of the safest cities on Earth: 

https://ktla.com/news/this-orange-county-coastal-city-named-lowest-for-violent-crime-rate/amp/

Now any one who’s been there knows that Laguna Beach is INCREDIBLY liberal, a bastion of woke in conservative Orange County. So why is it so safe?

Answer: it is also an incredibly wealthy area, very expensive to live there. And here is the REAL story: wealthy areas are the safe areas. Crime, especially violent crime, is caused by poverty. Specifically urban poverty. Liberal politics have nothing to do with it. 

Laguna Beach, CA Political Map – Democrat & Republican Areas in Laguna Beach | BestNeighborhood.org

incredibly liberal huh?  Is that what your liberal news tells you?

I will go with facts

a purple area in California leans republican fwiw

 

[Dizkneelande 1,119]

4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Laguna Beach, CA Political Map – Democrat & Republican Areas in Laguna Beach | BestNeighborhood.org

incredibly liberal huh?  Is that what your liberal news tells you?

I will go with facts

a purple area in California leans republican fwiw

 

I don’t even know what point he was trying to make with this place as his example?

[seafoam1 3,248]

Destination places. Resort places. Are policed heavier than any other places in the countries they are in. They also convict criminals. 

Go to Hawaii and the big time beach areas. Then go two miles inland from there into the cities. It's day and night. Same around the world. 

So the answer is policing, and convicting. 

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38 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Laguna Beach is one of the safest cities on Earth: 

https://ktla.com/news/this-orange-county-coastal-city-named-lowest-for-violent-crime-rate/amp/

Now any one who’s been there knows that Laguna Beach is INCREDIBLY liberal, a bastion of woke in conservative Orange County. So why is it so safe?

Answer: it is also an incredibly wealthy area, very expensive to live there. And here is the REAL story: wealthy areas are the safe areas. Crime, especially violent crime, is caused by poverty. Specifically urban poverty. Liberal politics have nothing to do with it. 

Not all Liberals are 70 year old rich white people  

 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Laguna Beach, CA Political Map – Democrat & Republican Areas in Laguna Beach | BestNeighborhood.org

incredibly liberal huh?  Is that what your liberal news tells you?

I will go with facts

a purple area in California leans republican fwiw

 

Lean Republican lol. Ever been there? It’s a bunch of hippie artists, fellow travelers, gays, pinkos. 

[seafoam1 3,248]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lean Republican lol. Ever been there? It’s a bunch of hippie artists, fellow travelers, gays, pinkos. 

Are these the people you bond with when you go there? 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

6 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

I don’t even know what point he was trying to make with this place as his example?

The point is this: 

1. Liberal policies do not increase crime. 
2. Conservative polices do not decrease crime. 
3. We can argue the details over which specific policy makes more sense but there is no liberal or conservative “solution” to crime; the factors behind crime are bigger than either liberal or conservative politics. 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Are these the people you bond with when you go there? 

Absolutely. These are my people. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Absolutely. These are my people. 

Yep, gay and pinko. And low IQ. And you don't even know they police the area heavily. I would think you would be against that. 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lean Republican lol. Ever been there? It’s a bunch of hippie artists, fellow travelers, gays, pinkos. 

yep and those are the people at the beach, but visit the people who actually live there and are businessmen

there is a reason why that map shows purple

they don't allow homeless there, there are no illegals living in Laguna

sounds super democrat to me

I lived in RSM for a year I am down there all the time its a pretty balanced area

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38 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What and idiot mdpee is.

 

[iam90sbaby 2,699]

It’s 80% white and 1% black that’s why isn’t to hard to figure out 

[jonnyutah 436]

.4% black.

 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

Just now, iam90sbaby said:

It’s 80% white and 1% black that’s why isn’t to hard to figure out 

Do you believe that if it was 80% black but with the same economic conditions (highly wealthy) it would be high violent crime? 

[seafoam1 3,248]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

 

It hurt you huh?

Poor mdpee.

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

1 minute ago, jonnyutah said:

.4% black.

 

Same question for you as @iam90sbaby: suppose it was 100% black but same economic conditions: would it be a high violent crime area? 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you believe that if it was 80% black but with the same economic conditions (highly wealthy) it would be high violent crime? 

It wouldn’t be one of the safest cities in the USA anymore that’s for sure lol

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3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you believe that if it was 80% black but with the same economic conditions (highly wealthy) it would be high violent crime? 

nope not at all

unless it was rapper and nba stars

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

Just now, iam90sbaby said:

It wouldn’t be one of the safest cities in the USA anymore that’s for sure lol

I don’t agree. And your position is clearly racist (but you’re one of the few people here willing to admit it so I guess that’s something.) 

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48 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

In America, as in every other country, whenever there is poverty and overcrowding in one area (like a city) there is high crime. This is regardless of skin color or ethnic makeup or whether the city is run by a liberal or a conservative. It’s regardless of the age of the people living there. The only two factors that together consistently produce crime are poverty and overcrowding. Do you accept this to be true? 

 But there is very little poverty in the United States. We fought a war against it. Also, having less isn’t poverty.  Being hungry and cold is. HTH. 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

nope not at all

unless it was rapper and nba stars

When you think of wealthy black people, do you automatically assume they must be rappers or NBA stars? 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 But there is very little poverty in the United States. We fought a war against it. Also, having less isn’t poverty.  Being hungry and cold is. HTH. 

First off did we win that war? I would say no. Second, did I define poverty? I don’t recall that I did. So you’re arguing against a straw man. 

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1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

When you think of wealthy black people, do you automatically assume they must be rappers or NBA stars? 

nope but I assume alot of rappers and nba stars are thugs

if they are businessmen, doctors, lawyers, I dont make that assumption

wealth fixes alot, instant wealth IE sports, music doesn't take the thug outta the man

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,708]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

When you think of wealthy black people, do you automatically assume they must be rappers or NBA stars? 

When you think of black people do you think poverty? I think you do. 

[iam90sbaby 2,699]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t agree. And your position is clearly racist (but you’re one of the few people here willing to admit it so I guess that’s something.) 

Ok name one city that’s 80% black thats safe lol 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,708]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

First off did we win that war? I would say no. Second, did I define poverty? I don’t recall that I did. So you’re arguing against a straw man. 

I defined it. So I guess we will go with that. Very little poverty in the US. So that can’t be the reason for high crime rates today.  

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Just now, iam90sbaby said:

Ok name one city that’s 80% black thats safe lol 

he thinks its possible to have 80000 blacks in a city making 400k+ a year

 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 But there is very little poverty in the United States.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau in 2023, there are 37 million Americans who live in poverty. That’s 11% of the population. Would you say that’s very little? 
 

In comparison Denmark has a poverty rate of 0.8% 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

he thinks its possible to have 80000 blacks in a city making 400k+ a year

 

If it isn’t possible doesn’t that suggest that we do not live in a society with equal opportunity for all? 

[The Real timschochet 7,120]

4 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Ok name one city that’s 80% black thats safe lol 

I understand that you believe that there is something inherently about black people that makes them more prone to committing crimes. But I’m more curious about how the non-racists here might explain this.