If liberal politics causes more crime, then explain this:

[jonnyutah 538]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

When and if you disagree with something I actually wrote here rather than a straw argument I will be happy to respond to you. 

You havent actually said anything other than youre wrong a bunch of times.

What policies does laguna beach have that makes them liberal? What proof have you provided that they are liberal? (Hint:nothing)

How do you suppose that a tiny city can be representative of anything?

These are always just junk and proclamations of how right you are and how wrong others are.

Honestly it is a very Trumpian level of discourse from you. 

[Tree of Knowledge 2,114]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yes I did. Proud of that. 

You definitely helped some obese women grift some mansions.  Atta boy

[HellToupee 2,198]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

He didn’t deserve to die but he was not a good person. He spewed hateful, bigoted. ignorant and dangerous rhetoric on a variety of subjects.

Wow.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,535]

48 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What hate? 

the hate that Charlie Kirk spread

again to the left hate is something you don't agree with.  You have literally taken away meaning from all those words

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,535]

37 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

You havent actually said anything other than youre wrong a bunch of times.

What policies does laguna beach have that makes them liberal? What proof have you provided that they are liberal? (Hint:nothing)

How do you suppose that a tiny city can be representative of anything?

These are always just junk and proclamations of how right you are and how wrong others are.

Honestly it is a very Trumpian level of discourse from you. 

it is more like Denmark, and by that I mean white

 

[The Real timschochet 7,409]

41 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

You havent actually said anything other than youre wrong a bunch of times.

What policies does laguna beach have that makes them liberal? What proof have you provided that they are liberal? (Hint:nothing)

How do you suppose that a tiny city can be representative of anything?

These are always just junk and proclamations of how right you are and how wrong others are.

Honestly it is a very Trumpian level of discourse from you. 

1. Laguna is a very woke community. (As compared to Newport Beach which is very Trumpy).  Newport Beach is beautiful but has all sorts of unpleasant people living there. Laguna on the other hand is warm and welcoming. Black Lives Matter signs everywhere, rainbow flags everywhere, pro-amnesty, pro-trans. It’s a hippie paradise and a great place to be. 
 

2. You ask about specific policies. It’s certainly a sanctuary city for undocumented people. But beyond that I can’t tell you. All I can point out is that it’s had liberal leadership for years and there is almost no crime. But I am NOT arguing that liberal leadership creates less crime. I am simply pointing out how absurd it is for conservatives to claim that liberal leadership creates MORE crime. Rather than for me to disprove, that would up for you guys to prove. And you can’t. You can certainly point to high crime areas run by liberals. But if those areas were run by conservatives there would be just as much crime. 

3. Pointing out the percentage of any given race is simply racism. It is historically very clear that any race of people will create the same level of crime given the same economic and societal conditions. If you had an all white population living in Chicago with the same economic and social conditions you would have the same number of shootings, same amount of violence. If you had an all black community living in Laguna Beach with high incomes matching  the folks living there now it would be just as safe. If you don’t believe this you’re a bigot. 

[The Real timschochet 7,409]

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

 

These are always just junk and proclamations of how right you are and how wrong others are.

Honestly it is a very Trumpian level of discourse from you. 

By the way while I don’t believe this applies to me I do appreciate you’re being willing to criticize Trump in this context. 

[League Champion 1,926]

You can't debate facts. This is terribly sad and worrisome. 

• While only 13.7 percent of the overall U.S. population is Black, more than half of all homicide victims are Black (53.8 percent) 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

You’re right Tim, it’s not the policy, it’s the people. What’s the matter with the people? 

[Dizkneelande 1,136]

58 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Wow.

What does it say about someone who goes out of their way to malign and slander a dead man? 

[Tree of Knowledge 2,114]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

Wow.

I bet Tim only watched selectively edited Charlie Kirk appearances. 

[HellToupee 2,198]

10 minutes ago, Dizkneelande said:

What does it say about someone who goes out of their way to malign and slander a dead man? 

I think we both know

[HellToupee 2,198]

2 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

I bet Tim only watched selectively edited Charlie Kirk appearances. 

You give him too much cred

[BrahmaBulls 921]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This post is deliberately ignorant of the actual facts. 

Don't worry most of us already know your posts are.  You don't need to preface it.

[jonnyutah 538]

54 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Laguna is a very woke community. (As compared to Newport Beach which is very Trumpy).  Newport Beach is beautiful but has all sorts of unpleasant people living there. Laguna on the other hand is warm and welcoming. Black Lives Matter signs everywhere, rainbow flags everywhere, pro-amnesty, pro-trans. It’s a hippie paradise and a great place to be. 
 

2. You ask about specific policies. It’s certainly a sanctuary city for undocumented people. But beyond that I can’t tell you. All I can point out is that it’s had liberal leadership for years and there is almost no crime. But I am NOT arguing that liberal leadership creates less crime. I am simply pointing out how absurd it is for conservatives to claim that liberal leadership creates MORE crime. Rather than for me to disprove, that would up for you guys to prove. And you can’t. You can certainly point to high crime areas run by liberals. But if those areas were run by conservatives there would be just as much crime. 

3. Pointing out the percentage of any given race is simply racism. It is historically very clear that any race of people will create the same level of crime given the same economic and societal conditions. If you had an all white population living in Chicago with the same economic and social conditions you would have the same number of shootings, same amount of violence. If you had an all black community living in Laguna Beach with high incomes matching  the folks living there now it would be just as safe. If you don’t believe this you’re a bigot. 

What if I told you Laguna beach is not a sanctuary city.

 

 

[jonnyutah 538]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

But I am NOT arguing that liberal leadership creates less crime. I am simply pointing out how absurd it is for conservatives to claim that liberal leadership creates MORE crime

This is deflection. You cant say they are a liberal run city, but not demonstrate any liberal policies. They could easily be nimbys in this small community. 

They also use the Orange County court system and sheriff.

Orange county might be less red and more purple now, but it still certainly has a reputation as being tough on crime. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,665]

On 9/16/2025 at 8:44 PM, jonnyutah said:

I dont disagree entirely with those things. I mean I think that contributes a bit to some home ownership rates and some other things. 

This is obviously a difficult topic and unfortunately people usually want to make racism accusations so they view discussions in the worst light possible. 

On a micro level I think a big reason why crime rates stay higher even when equalized for income is an association issue. I will never forget when a black family moved in two houses down the street from me. The parents were super nice. Nurse and a COO of a midsized company. The kids sucked. The kids friends sucked worse. 

Now this is anecdotal, but if you google "second generation black wealth back to normal crime rates." You will see it says "A central aspect of Black wealth is that its accumulation does not reliably correlate with reduced crime rates in the same way as it does for white wealth. In fact, studies show that affluent Black youth are more likely to be incarcerated than poor white youth."

I believe black teens have an identity issue. If you lined up asian teens, white teens, and black teens and somehow could make them like hollow man and you could only see clothes and posture, you would be able to pick out the black teens with a decent level of accuracy and the other teens would be more of a random thing. 

Black teens feel the need to be black. Subsequently it forces them to often have reactionary personalities instead of being authentic. There is unfortunately an often self created narrow version of "blackness" they feel the need to live up to. Google "narrow version of blackness" and you will see I am not just making that up. There are several references to internal factors not just the view from external. 

Visit a busy area in the ghetto and watch black kids cross the street. They often walk the same, are all dressed the same, and often slow down when a car is approaching. They make fun of the kid that speeds up to gtfo of the road. 

These kinds of things can lead to a degredation of manners. Poor behavior often races to the front. 

They are less likely than their parents to form bonds to the community. Their parents and them become very different. Parents can feel like their kids are pissing away opportunities. This now worsens the identity crisis and crime can be the next byproduct. 

I think the mistake the parents make here is to have allowed the narrow view of blackness to have taken any hold at all. To have humored the idea that a black identity is a good thing to have, or even a necessary thing rather than pushing their kid to just have their own identity, but obviously with the guardrails that a parent should impose.

So many things are cliches and stereotypes in these discussions, but if you look at the example of the way young black males wear their jeans the whole thing is preposterous. 

1. It is objectively stupid to wear your pants that way.

2. It is horribly inefficient from a pure time perspective.

3. It is associated with blackness(particularly from the black perspective).

4. It is considered racist to point this out. 

I mean think about it. We let it get to the point in America where black teens walk around pulling their pants up every 22 seconds and somehow it is something that teachers, pastors, coaches, and even their own parents are supposed to stfu about because it is part of the black identity. 

None of this is the end all be all of anything. Just some factors of many that partially explain why affluent black kids have some struggles that really are unique to them as a whole. 

 

I nominate this as "Post of the Year".

[jerryskids 7,071]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Laguna is a very woke community. (As compared to Newport Beach which is very Trumpy).  Newport Beach is beautiful but has all sorts of unpleasant people living there. Laguna on the other hand is warm and welcoming. Black Lives Matter signs everywhere, rainbow flags everywhere, pro-amnesty, pro-trans. It’s a hippie paradise and a great place to be. 
 

2. You ask about specific policies. It’s certainly a sanctuary city for undocumented people. But beyond that I can’t tell you. All I can point out is that it’s had liberal leadership for years and there is almost no crime. But I am NOT arguing that liberal leadership creates less crime. I am simply pointing out how absurd it is for conservatives to claim that liberal leadership creates MORE crime. Rather than for me to disprove, that would up for you guys to prove. And you can’t. You can certainly point to high crime areas run by liberals. But if those areas were run by conservatives there would be just as much crime. 

3. Pointing out the percentage of any given race is simply racism. It is historically very clear that any race of people will create the same level of crime given the same economic and societal conditions. If you had an all white population living in Chicago with the same economic and social conditions you would have the same number of shootings, same amount of violence. If you had an all black community living in Laguna Beach with high incomes matching  the folks living there now it would be just as safe. If you don’t believe this you’re a bigot. 

Sanctuary city?  Their population of 22K is 97.1% US citizen.  That's higher than the US average, which is higher than the CA average, which is higher than the Orange County average.

https://datausa.io/profile/geo/laguna-beach-ca#demographics

1 hour ago, jonnyutah said:

What if I told you Laguna beach is not a sanctuary city.

 

 

Ha!   

[jonnyutah 538]

On 9/19/2025 at 5:25 PM, The Real timschochet said:

2. You ask about specific policies. It’s certainly a sanctuary city for undocumented people. But beyond that I can’t tell you.

Lol

[The Real timschochet 7,409]

4 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Lol

Cities don’t need to declare themselves sanctuary cities to be sanctuary cities you moron. They are sanctuary cities if the police force won’t cooperate with ICE by reporting suspected undocumented people living there. That’s certainly the case in Laguna. 

It is also very much a liberal city. How do I l know this? Because of the amount of liberal protests and sentiment that goes on there. It is like Austin Texas, a bastion of sanity in the wilderness. 
 

So no I haven’t lied about any of this. I didn’t make up any of this. And you’re either an idiot in real life or simply pretending to be one in this forum. Either way not a good look. 
 

 

[jonnyutah 538]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

They are sanctuary cities if the police force won’t cooperate with ICE by reporting suspected undocumented people living there

Lol.

Now tim is trying to redefine what it means to be a sanctuary city to avoid admitting he lied. 

It is against California state law to report suspected undocumented people living there to ICE. 

 

[The Real timschochet 7,409]

4 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Lol.

Now tim is trying to redefine what it means to be a sanctuary city to avoid admitting he lied. 

It is against California state law to report suspected undocumented people living there to ICE. 

 

Which means that every city in our state is in effect a sanctuary city. Good. 

[jonnyutah 538]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Which means that every city in our state is in effect a sanctuary city. Good. 

Hahaha.

Bad look to pretened you dont know what a sanctuary city is. 

All just to avoid admitting you are a liar. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,665]

On 9/16/2025 at 6:50 PM, The Real timschochet said:

According to the U.S. Census Bureau in 2023, there are 37 million Americans who live in poverty. That’s 11% of the population. Would you say that’s very little? 
 

In comparison Denmark has a poverty rate of 0.8% 

How much money does Denmark spend in foreign aid, annually?

[The Real timschochet 7,409]

2 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Hahaha.

Bad look to pretened you dont know what a sanctuary city is. 

All just to avoid admitting you are a liar. 

Moron. 
 

https://www.globalrefuge.org/news/sanctuary-cities-explained/

What is a sanctuary city? There is no official definition but in general it refers to any city that limits its cooperation with federal authorities regarding undocumented immigrants. 
 

Moron. (I’m referring to you.) 

[The Real timschochet 7,409]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

How much money does Denmark spend in foreign aid, annually?

If you can explain why this is at all relevant I will look it up. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,665]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If you can explain why this is at all relevant I will look it up. 

I'm thinking that among other things like foreign aid AND military aid, etc... Denmark - based on per capita GDP, spends pennies on a dollar that we do.  If we spent as much as they did on such things, I'm pretty confident that our economy would be better.  I don't think we'd be sending out as much of our tax dollars to other countries and could be spending it on Americans who need it.  If I recall correctly, I also believe Denmark's tax rate is almost double what ours is.

[TBayXXXVII 2,665]

On 9/16/2025 at 7:26 PM, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

It’s not institutional racism. It’s liberal policy that destroyed the black family. Thank Lyndon Johnson for that 

I'm just perusing this thread, but I'm willing to bet no liberal touches this.  I've brought him up in other places and in person to lefties, and they either play ignorant of ignore it.  

 

ETA:  Just checked the rest of the pages in the thread... nothing.  

[The Real timschochet 7,409]

9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I'm just perusing this thread, but I'm willing to bet no liberal touches this.  I've brought him up in other places and in person to lefties, and they either play ignorant of ignore it.  

 

ETA:  Just checked the rest of the pages in the thread... nothing.  

I’d be willing to discuss it at length with you if you truly want to have a serious discussion about it. It’s a complicated issue, I both agree and disagree with Raiders’ statement. That would take some time to explain. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,426]

 

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,665]

19 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’d be willing to discuss it at length with you if you truly want to have a serious discussion about it. It’s a complicated issue, I both agree and disagree with Raiders’ statement. That would take some time to explain. 

I think virtually every conservative is on relatively the same page regarding Johnson and the Democrats ever persistence on encouraging government dependency.  Lydon B Johnson did what he did for the very reason he said, and he's been right.  The Democrats have NEVER wavered off that agenda.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,535]

26 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think virtually every conservative is on relatively the same page regarding Johnson and the Democrats ever persistence on encouraging government dependency.  Lydon B Johnson did what he did for the very reason he said, and he's been right.  The Democrats have NEVER wavered off that agenda.

those n***** will be voting blue for 200 years

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,535]

48 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’d be willing to discuss it at length with you if you truly want to have a serious discussion about it. It’s a complicated issue, I both agree and disagree with Raiders’ statement. That would take some time to explain. 

youll post what you have been lied to about, cause you really dont use common sense

common sense, democrats voted against civil rights, this made the vast majority of blacks align with the family values religious common sense republicans who voted overwhelmingly to give them equal rights

so democrats (smartly might I add) needed to come up with a way to shift those numbers or they would never win another election.  Enter Lyndon Johnson, hated blacks but knew how he could convince them to vote blue, give them free stuff

fast forward blacks are born out of wedlock at an astonishing 74% and married to the govt

 

[jonnyutah 538]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Moron. 
 

https://www.globalrefuge.org/news/sanctuary-cities-explained/

What is a sanctuary city? There is no official definition but in general it refers to any city that limits its cooperation with federal authorities regarding undocumented immigrants. 
 

Moron. (I’m referring to you.) 

Not one person on earth defines a sanctuary city as a city that doesnt call ICE and tell them where residents they suspect are illegal live. 

You cant even name one city that does that.

A sanctuary city is a city that wouldnt turn somebody they were holding over to ICE in defiance of CA state law. You know, like Laguna beach did and they had to pay 20k after getting sued in state court.