What is worse. Being a professional (paid) Protester or doing it for free at FFT

[MDC 7,768]

Just now, edjr said:

Do you happen to watch the morning or evening "News" on local tv? 

No

[WhiteWonder 2,891]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

Not familiar with Rise or Resist.org. Unless they’re paying this woman, I don’t see what it has to do with this “news story.”

if you watched some of the video, not even until the end, you don't need to be familiar with rise and resist. It explains what they are and what they do. But my question was about the funding site they use with donation links. 

So what is the purpose for this donation money and what might the funds be used for? Like I said a few posts back, it seems plausible that they could be reimbursing protestors for things which means they are being paid. 

I'm not saying they are... just saying its possible and most TV news is going to go with it if there is plausibility. 

[MDC 7,768]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

if you watched some of the video, not even until the end, you don't need to be familiar with rise and resist. It explains what they are and what they do. But my question was about the funding site they use with donation links. 

So what is the purpose for this donation money and what might the funds be used for? Like I said a few posts back, it seems plausible that they could be reimbursing protestors for things which means they are being paid. 

I watched the video once. You guys can just tell me where roughly time wise the evidence is that this woman is paid to protest? 

I’m not arguing that Rise or Resist isn’t a scam. 

[WhiteWonder 2,891]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

I watched the video once. You guys can just tell me where roughly time wise the evidence is that this woman is paid to protest? 

I’m not arguing that Rise or Resist isn’t a scam. 

you're asking me a question I have already stated I can't answer and that I don't disagree with you. There is not going to be the hard evidence you're asking for like bank statements from this woman showing deposits from rise and resist 

It's been like 4 times now that I have mentioned their funding page and donations links and asked what this money would or could be used for and you're just choosing to ignore that part. 

[MDC 7,768]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

you're asking me a question I have already stated I can't answer and that I don't disagree with you. There is not going to be the hard evidence you're asking for like bank statements from this woman showing deposits from rise and resist 

It's been like 4 times now that I have mentioned their funding page and donations links and asked what this money would or could be used for and you're just choosing to ignore that part. 

I’m ignoring it because it isn’t relevant. “What do they need $ for?” How the fock would I know and wtf difference does it make?

[edjr 6,824]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

you're asking me a question I have already stated I can't answer and that I don't disagree with you. There is not going to be the hard evidence you're asking for like bank statements from this woman showing deposits from rise and resist 

It's been like 4 times now that I have mentioned their funding page and donations links and asked what this money would or could be used for and you're just choosing to ignore that part. 

Yeah but. WHERE IS THE PROOF  

[MDC 7,768]

Just now, edjr said:

Yeah but. WHERE IS THE PROOF  

Evidence. This guy calls himself a journalist.  

[Fnord 2,460]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

So what I was trying to say was that if there was actually a large group of protestors being paid by an organization to attend all their protests, I might chuckle, but I would have zero issue with it. .. and my point was that your sarcastic comparison to trans women in womens sports is dumb because that is actually a serious issue and I think it's sad that you're making light of it. 

I am admittedly making light of it because I consider it the MOST overblown controversy I've ever encountered. Do not mistake my mockery for support of biological men playing women's sports. It should not happen. But it is a tiny, local issue that has been given absurd amounts of attention related to how many people it affects.

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

TDS? You may be right in the case of extreme magas.  Although I think acting like TDS is not a real thing would be sticking your head in the sand. Objectively, I have never seen people be so obsessed with being anti any president, spending money on anti-trump paraphernalia, being glued to their echo chamber msm channels, etc. I have a few friends and family members who simply cannot have a regular discussion about any normal topic without finding a way to interject something about trump.  That is the TDS that I see most often.

I wouldn't disagree. But conversely, we've never seen this level of devotional cultishness toward any politician, especially one as deeply reviled as Trump. MAGA acts as though this occurs in a vacuum and inevitably fails to acknowledge how many abnormal, illegal, ridiculous, unprecedented things have occurred under this man's direction. I mean, this is the guy whose acolytes essentially birthed the terms fake news, deep state, activist judges/juries, TDS, etc. All to avoid taking ownership of their own duplicity.

[TimHauck 3,243]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

unfortunately, everyone makes assumptions in life. I would say that, at least in this case, they have done enough DD to surmise that she may be paid. The amount of protests she attends, coupled with the fact that she posts all of them to her social media which looks like an audition portfolio, the company who looks for people to join their protests, and the funding page for the protests with donation links. What is the donation money for? I have never had the need to attend a protest but can't people just show up and protest? What costs are associated with protests? Permits? I thought you could request waivers for permit fees.  If the company is reimbursing protesters for travel and signs, etc... then yeah, that would count as being paid. 

Well for one she specifically says in the video that she is not being paid.

Here is the full video where that clip is from:

 

At another point she can be seen directing the traffic of people where to go.   So if she is being paid, which again she specifically denies, it’s not “to protest.”  It’s to help with ORGANIZING the protest.   Kinda like people that were paid to organize the “Stop the Steal” rally for example - https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/jan-6-rally-funded-by-top-trump-donor-helped-by-alex-jones-organizers-say-11612012063

[WhiteWonder 2,891]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well for one she specifically says in the video that she is not being paid.

Here is the full video where that clip is from:

 

At another point she can be seen directing the traffic of people where to go.   So if she is being paid, which again she specifically denies, it’s not “to protest.”  It’s to help with ORGANIZING the protest.   Kinda like people that were paid to organize the “Stop the Steal” rally for example - https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/jan-6-rally-funded-by-top-trump-donor-helped-by-alex-jones-organizers-say-11612012063

oh lord. 

1st of all, people lie. I am not saying she is lying but I am also saying she would likely never admit to being paid because obviously that is the point the young man is trying to make. She would never give him the satisfaction and we both know that.

2nd, if you are being paid to help organize the protest, you are being paid to protest...  People talking about lack of evidence and dismissing the organization website and funding pages but watching the video for clues like directing traffic?   i mean come on now... and again, being paid to help organize a protest is semantics. She got paid to blow her kazoo or she got paid to "direct traffic"  it's all part of the protest.

and finally.......  WHAT ABOUT TRUMP?

hilarious because this topic is about paid protesters and it's actually not specifically about any type of protester. 

[TimHauck 3,243]

4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

oh lord. 

1st of all, people lie. I am not saying she is lying but I am also saying she would likely never admit to being paid because obviously that is the point the young man is trying to make. She would never give him the satisfaction and we both know that.

2nd, if you are being paid to help organize the protest, you are being paid to protest...  People talking about lack of evidence and dismissing the organization website and funding pages but watching the video for clues like directing traffic?   i mean come on now... and again, being paid to help organize a protest is semantics. She got paid to blow her kazoo or she got paid to "direct traffic"  it's all part of the protest.

and finally.......  WHAT ABOUT TRUMP?

hilarious because this topic is about paid protesters and it's actually not specifically about any type of protester. 

The lady willingly says she’s there on behalf of Rise and Resist.  I doubt she’d admit that then lie about whether or not she was paid.  But sure, it’s theoretically possible she was paid.  But as has been stated, there is no evidence provided that she was.  She clearly enjoys what she does, it doesn’t look like she needs compensation to do it.

And I didn’t say there was anything wrong with being paid to organize protests, I was just pointing out that it’s common from both sides.

The clear implication from these claims of “tHe DeMs ArE pAyInG pEoPlE tO pRoTeSt!!” is to imply that the crowds are basically filled with people being paid to be there, and that the crowds would be much smaller if they weren’t paying people to be there.   There is nothing even close to suggesting that is the case, all that’s been shown is there were some people helping to organize the protest, with the only one shown in the video specifically denying being paid.

[WhiteWonder 2,891]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

The lady willingly says she’s there on behalf of Rise and Resist.  I doubt she’d admit that then lie about whether or not she was paid.  But sure, it’s theoretically possible she was paid.  But as has been stated, there is no evidence provided that she was.  She clearly enjoys what she does, it doesn’t look like she needs compensation to do it.

And I didn’t say there was anything wrong with being paid to organize protests, I was just pointing out that it’s common from both sides.

The clear implication from these claims of “tHe DeMs ArE pAyInG pEoPlE tO pRoTeSt!!” is to imply that the crowds are basically filled with people being paid to be there, and that the crowds would be much smaller if they weren’t paying people to be there.   There is nothing even close to suggesting that is the case, all that’s been shown is there were some people helping to organize the protest, with the only one shown in the video specifically denying being paid.

From the OP I took it as a playful jab at some of you losers who spend all day here playing political commentator. 

[TimHauck 3,243]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

From the OP I took it as a playful jab at some of you losers who spend all day here playing political commentator. 

That’s quite the backtrack from “they have done enough DD to surmise that she may be paid”

 

Also, OP has 125K posts here…

[WhiteWonder 2,891]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

That’s quite the backtrack from “they have done enough DD to surmise that she may be paid”

 

Also, OP has 125K posts here…

How is that a backtrack? The two are not even remotely related . You’re grasping. My statement about the OP was in response to your comment about people saying “the dems!” Which you put in spastic font. 

My prior statement about DD was simply to show that they did indeed make an attempt to connect the dots rather than just making a claim. No one has to agree with it.

they are two separate conversations. 
 

OP has likely been here a LOT longer than you and participates in many different types of discussions and events on this forum. It would be like someone pointing out my post count and failing to realize how much of it is “1.02 - RB Bijan Robinson, ATL” or earlier years spent at the main bored. 

[TimHauck 3,243]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

How is that a backtrack? The two are not even remotely related . You’re grasping. My statement about the OP was in response to your comment about people saying “the dems!” Which you put in spastic font. 

My prior statement about DD was simply to show that they did indeed make an attempt to connect the dots rather than just making a claim. No one has to agree with it.

they are two separate conversations. 
 

OP has likely been here a LOT longer than you and participates in many different types of discussions and events on this forum. It would be like someone pointing out my post count and failing to realize how much of it is “1.02 - RB Bijan Robinson, ATL” or earlier years spent at the main bored. 

Saying “he was just making a playful jab at losers here” to me implies you think he might not actually believe the video is evidence this lady is a paid protester, which IMO would contradict your post saying they did enough DD to surmise it

But, OP’s follow up posts certainly indicate he does truly believe it.  And to my earlier point, some of his follow up posts also suggest he thinks her being a “paid protester” just means showing up and holding a sign or something.   If she is “being paid to protest,” she’s there to do actual work in organizing the protest.  That’s an important distinction IMO, and one that both sides have done.  (And even the CEO of “crowds on demand” has said he’s worked with both sides as well).

 

[Voltaire 5,448]

Being a BLM looter doesn't pay the bills anymore so Soros asked her to take up the kazoo.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,907]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Saying “he was just making a playful jab at losers here” to me implies you think he might not actually believe the video is evidence this lady is a paid protester, which IMO would contradict your post saying they did enough DD to surmise it

But, OP’s follow up posts certainly indicate he does truly believe it.  And to my earlier point, some of his follow up posts also suggest he thinks her being a “paid protester” just means showing up and holding a sign or something.   If she is “being paid to protest,” she’s there to do actual work in organizing the protest.  That’s an important distinction IMO, and one that both sides have done.  (And even the CEO of “crowds on demand” has said he’s worked with both sides as well).

 

More boring drivel from this loser 

[WhiteWonder 2,891]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Saying “he was just making a playful jab at losers here” to me implies you think he might not actually believe the video is evidence this lady is a paid protester, which IMO would contradict your post saying they did enough DD to surmise it

But, OP’s follow up posts certainly indicate he does truly believe it.  And to my earlier point, some of his follow up posts also suggest he thinks her being a “paid protester” just means showing up and holding a sign or something.   If she is “being paid to protest,” she’s there to do actual work in organizing the protest.  That’s an important distinction IMO, and one that both sides have done.  (And even the CEO of “crowds on demand” has said he’s worked with both sides as well).

 

I don’t really know what to say to you at this point as it’s clear to me you are not understanding the concept of two distinctly different conversations within the same thread and you also just seem confused in general. 
 

1. OP (edjr) is a troll in regards to politics. He literally made 1 single post after his OP that had any hint of a serious response.

2. taking a playful jab means he’s taking a jab at political posters on both sides. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he actually believes this woman is a paid protester. He cares more about his thread title than anything else (as evidenced by his post ABOUT HIS OWN thread title)

3. It’s really not an important distinction. Being paid for any part you have at a protest is being paid to protest unless you are a W2 employee for the organization where you have off site responsibilities on a day to day basis. For shiits and giggles let’s say this woman shows up and they ask her to march and hold a sign or they ask her to stand in one spot and “direct traffic” . If she was being paid in either scenario then she is in fact being paid to protest.

4. again, it wasn’t about sides. I can assure you edjr did not post that video specifically because it’s liberal protests. He posted it because of the notion of possibly being paid. He would 100% have posted it if it was Kamala protests. Find me where he said anything about Lib or Dem to support your “both sides have done it” meaning anything here. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,907]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

That’s quite the backtrack from “they have done enough DD to surmise that she may be paid”

 

Also, OP has 125K posts here…

In the last two years Tim Hauck has 462 pages worth of posts. Every page has 25 posts. That puts him on track for over 115k posts over a 10 year period. Edjr has 125k posts over a 22 year period, 5-6k per year. STFU. 

[WhiteWonder 2,891]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

In the last two years Tim Hauck has 462 pages worth of posts. Every page has 25 posts. That puts him on track for over 115k posts over a 10 year period. Edjr has 125k posts over a 22 year period, 5-6k per year. STFU. 

[TimHauck 3,243]

56 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I don’t really know what to say to you at this point as it’s clear to me you are not understanding the concept of two distinctly different conversations within the same thread and you also just seem confused in general. 
 

1. OP (edjr) is a troll in regards to politics. He literally made 1 single post after his OP that had any hint of a serious response.

2. taking a playful jab means he’s taking a jab at political posters on both sides. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he actually believes this woman is a paid protester. He cares more about his thread title than anything else (as evidenced by his post ABOUT HIS OWN thread title)

3. It’s really not an important distinction. Being paid for any part you have at a protest is being paid to protest unless you are a W2 employee for the organization where you have off site responsibilities on a day to day basis. For shiits and giggles let’s say this woman shows up and they ask her to march and hold a sign or they ask her to stand in one spot and “direct traffic” . If she was being paid in either scenario then she is in fact being paid to protest.

4. again, it wasn’t about sides. I can assure you edjr did not post that video specifically because it’s liberal protests. He posted it because of the notion of possibly being paid. He would 100% have posted it if it was Kamala protests. Find me where he said anything about Lib or Dem to support your “both sides have done it” meaning anything here. 

You keep saying “it wasn’t about sides,” but he posted a video of a liberal protest…I’m pretty sure he was moreso trying to ridicule liberals.

[TimHauck 3,243]

48 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

In the last two years Tim Hauck has 462 pages worth of posts. Every page has 25 posts. That puts him on track for over 115k posts over a 10 year period. Edjr has 125k posts over a 22 year period, 5-6k per year. STFU. 

I never said I didn’t have a lot of posts.  But I do think it’s hypocritical when people with over 100k make fun of the frequency of others posting.  I think it’s a safe bet Ed probably had a couple years in there where his “pace” was 115K+ over 10 years too.

But help me out here.  What number is higher: 115k (my 10 year “pace” based on 2 years), or 151K (your actual posts over 10 years and not including your other usernames)?

STFU.

OK, back to ignoring you again.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,907]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I never said I didn’t have a lot of posts.  But I do think it’s hypocritical when people with over 100k make fun of the frequency of others posting.  I think it’s a safe bet Ed probably had a couple years in there where his “pace” was 115K+ over 10 years too.

But help me out here.  What number is higher: 115k (my 10 year “pace” based on 2 years), or 151K (your actual posts over 10 years and not including your other usernames)?

STFU.

OK, back to ignoring you again.

 

I don’t have 150k. But cool, let’s see if you can stick to it. I doubt you can. 

[TimHauck 3,243]

34 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Ah crap, silly me for actually trusting his math.   I’ll trust the 462 page thing because I’m not as big of a loser as him to actually look that up.

But anyway

462 x 25 =11,550 

11,550 / 2 =5,775 

5,775 x 10 =57,750 

Lying Troubadour lies again.

[TimHauck 3,243]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t have 150k. But cool, let’s see if you can stick to it. I doubt you can. 

121k, my mistake.  Will you admit the mistake in your math?  

[WhiteWonder 2,891]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Ah crap, silly me for actually trusting his math.   I’ll trust the 462 page thing because I’m not as big of a loser as him to actually look that up.

But anyway

462 x 25 =11,550 

11,550 / 2 =5,775 

5,775 x 10 =57,750 

Lying Troubadour lies again.

neither of you are very bright, so you have something in common.

math aside, his point remains that you post here an awful lot so OP's post count really means nothing. You spend a lot of time here, you should know edjr likes to troll. 

 

and to your other post, no... the fact its about a liberal protester doesn't matter because AGAIN, ed would have posted it if it were a conservative protester. It's what he does and the topic was about paid protesting not liberal paid protesting.  hth

[Hardcore troubadour 15,907]

11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

121k, my mistake.  Will you admit the mistake in your math?  

Yup . You still post a lot. And can’t ignore me. lol 

[TimHauck 3,243]

6 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

and to your other post, no... the fact its about a liberal protester doesn't matter because AGAIN, ed would have posted it if it were a conservative protester. It's what he does and the topic was about paid protesting not liberal paid protesting.  hth

You are welcome to your opinion, but I disagree.  I know he’s a troll, but by posting a video about a liberal protest (and specifically calling out the woman featured), I’d still argue he was moreso trying trying to make fun of liberals.  Not that it really affects me, as I’m not a liberal.

 

[TimHauck 3,243]

I’ve watched a few more of this Friedman guy’s videos.   He’s actually very respectful in his interviews and is pretty knowledgeable in his research.  But his schtick with the “paid protesters” seems to focus on people that are actual employees of nonprofits and such that organize protests.  Again not really what most uneducated MAGA’s probably think of when they hear “paid protesters.”

[edjr 6,824]

On 10/7/2025 at 7:14 PM, WhiteWonder said:

I don’t really know what to say to you at this point as it’s clear to me you are not understanding the concept of two distinctly different conversations within the same thread and you also just seem confused in general. 
 

1. OP (edjr) is a troll in regards to politics. He literally made 1 single post after his OP that had any hint of a serious response.

2. taking a playful jab means he’s taking a jab at political posters on both sides. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not he actually believes this woman is a paid protester. He cares more about his thread title than anything else (as evidenced by his post ABOUT HIS OWN thread title)

3. It’s really not an important distinction. Being paid for any part you have at a protest is being paid to protest unless you are a W2 employee for the organization where you have off site responsibilities on a day to day basis. For shiits and giggles let’s say this woman shows up and they ask her to march and hold a sign or they ask her to stand in one spot and “direct traffic” . If she was being paid in either scenario then she is in fact being paid to protest.

4. again, it wasn’t about sides. I can assure you edjr did not post that video specifically because it’s liberal protests. He posted it because of the notion of possibly being paid. He would 100% have posted it if it was Kamala protests. Find me where he said anything about Lib or Dem to support your “both sides have done it” meaning anything here. 

Get outta my head

[edjr 6,824]

On 10/7/2025 at 8:29 PM, WhiteWonder said:

neither of you are very bright, so you have something in common.

math aside, his point remains that you post here an awful lot so OP's post count really means nothing. You spend a lot of time here, you should know edjr likes to troll. 

 

and to your other post, no... the fact its about a liberal protester doesn't matter because AGAIN, ed would have posted it if it were a conservative protester. It's what he does and the topic was about paid protesting not liberal paid protesting.  hth

Probably why I have that asshat on ignore

[TimHauck 3,243]

10 minutes ago, edjr said:

Probably why I have that asshat on ignore

^another one that can’t handle being proven wrong (edit: I’m referring to a previous incident that likely led to me being put on ignore)

[Meglamaniac 754]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

^another one that can’t handle being proven wrong (edit: I’m referring to a previous incident that likely led to me being put on ignore)

What's sad is he actually beleives this is why posters put him on ignor

[TimHauck 3,243]

2 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

What's sad is he actually beleives this is why posters put him on ignor

 

@BrahmaBulls for sure it’s the reason.

@edjr said the housing market was due for a crash in 2018, lol

[listen2me 23 1,940]

5 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

What's sad is he actually beleives this is why posters put him on ignor

Bingo

[Meglamaniac 754]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

@edjr said the housing market was due for a crash in 2018, lol

In 2018, you don't say

[WhiteWonder 2,891]

19 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

What's sad is he actually beleives this is why posters put him on ignor

If you want, I can find a mod to get rid of his threads,

[TimHauck 3,243]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

If you want, I can find a mod to get rid of his threads,

@edjr, this guy said you weren’t very smart.

 

Funny that the reason I bumped this thread was to provide actual insight, yet numerous GC righties just wanted to troll.

[Meglamaniac 754]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

If you want, I can find a mod to get rid of his threads,

Toche