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7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is a canopy or something obstructing the view, so we can only assume that the officer ran alongside the car shooting at the deceased.

Perhaps he was dragged.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Out of the camera angle, you dumb?

Or....hear me out, maybe he was dragged? ICE always tells the truth. Never lies. You cant prove they have ever lied. 

Boom! Good shoot! Now go back to making dingleberry jam. 

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1 minute ago, jonnyutah said:

Or....hear me out, maybe he was dragged? ICE always tells the truth. Never lies. You cant prove they have ever lied. 

Boom! Good shoot! Now go back to making dingleberry jam. 

Sure, it’s possible.  Your post seemed to sarcastically imply that because you couldn’t see him that meant he was dragged.

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4 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Perhaps he was dragged.

Well he said he wasn't, and of course there is the issue of how likely is someone who is being dragged from car able to fire and hit the driver?

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Criminal illegal alien shot by hero, leftist heads explode...causing E Coli outbreak...news at 11.

 

Get it? E coli! Because they have caca doody for brains. 

Please prove their heads didnt explode with a link and 9 sources before replying. 

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Just now, jonnyutah said:

Criminal illegal alien shot by hero, leftist heads explode...causing E Coli outbreak...news at 11.

 

Get it? E coli! Because they have caca doody for brains. 

Please prove their heads didnt explode with a link and 9 sources before replying. 

How old are you?

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Sure, it’s possible.  Your post seemed to sarcastically imply that because you couldn’t see him that meant he was dragged.

"Thanks for confirming"

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Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Well he said he wasn't, and of course there is the issue of how likely is someone who is being dragged from car able to fire and hit the driver?

Which officer was the one that shot?

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Guys I am just waiting for the facts. You may think that these things I am saying are strictly from the right, but I am neutral. i voted for Biden in every election since 1988. 

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Possible over reaction by ICE.  The cover up is what is disgusting if true.  That said, I hope the dead guy taught his children to respect the law and authorities and not run from them.  Had he obeyed them he'd be alive.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Which officer was the one that shot?

I assumed it was the one by the drivers side, but it's not on video.

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23 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is a canopy or something obstructing the view, so we can only assume that the officer ran alongside the car shooting at the deceased.

Another excellent nuanced legal opinion.  

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37 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Seems as though you objected to the word "murder", and then an admin subsequently removed the word from the thread title.

Well, yeah I did, and obviously other logical people did also.  I know it pretty typical for you to go on in here like an uninformed ninny, so don’t be surprised when you get corrected.  And no, I didn’t report it.  I’ve never reported a single post in my 25 years here.

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58 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Well, yeah I did, and obviously other logical people did also.  I know it pretty typical for you to go on in here like an uninformed ninny, so don’t be surprised when you get corrected.  And no, I didn’t report it.  I’ve never reported a single post in my 25 years here.

But the guy off camera did it. You cant prove it wasnt murder!

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1 hour ago, nobody said:

https://abc7chicago.com/post/franklin-park-ice-shooting-new-bodycam-video-captures-police-response-fatal-silverio-villegas-gonzalez/17872941/

Link says the officer had a torn pant leg and lacerations.  How did that happen if the suspect was just driving away?  

I suppose we better riot just in case though.

I'm assuming his pant leg was cut on something on the car?

You really think he was being dragged and shot the guy?

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9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm assuming his pant leg was cut on something on the car?

You really think he was being dragged and shot the guy?

Well ICE said an elbow nudge from a 70-something Jewish grandma was “assault,” so yeah, they’d probably call getting a piece of pants torn by a car door as getting “dragged”

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5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm assuming his pant leg was cut on something on the car?

You really think he was being dragged and shot the guy?

I think you're picturing an old west style guy being dragged from the back of a horse or something.

All he needs to do to qualify as being dragged is be holding on to the car and have it start moving.  I would have to understand how his leg got cut up if there wasn't some sort of contact with the car while it was moving.  

Clearly the term dragged is probably an overstatement if people are thinking it was some action movie stuff where he was getting dragged and pulled himself up on the car and started firing through the windshield or something, but when I hear dragged, I'm picturing a guy grabbing hold of a door and getting pulled off his feet and holding on while the guy goes 5 miles an hour allowing him to regain his feet and get a shot off or something.

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1 minute ago, nobody said:

I think you're picturing an old west style guy being dragged from the back of a horse or something.

All he needs to do to qualify as being dragged is be holding on to the car and have it start moving.  I would have to understand how his leg got cut up if there wasn't some sort of contact with the car while it was moving.  

Clearly the term dragged is probably an overstatement if people are thinking it was some action movie stuff where he was getting dragged and pulled himself up on the car and started firing through the windshield or something, but when I hear dragged, I'm picturing a guy grabbing hold of a door and getting pulled off his feet and holding on while the guy goes 5 miles an hour allowing him to regain his feet and get a shot off or something.

The guy said “he tried to run us over”

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Which would indicate the guy, I don't know, tried to move them out of the way with his car so he could flee?  In which case someone could've tried to hold on to the car?  

Hell if I know.  I'm just saying, the guy apparently cut his leg up.  That would indicate that something happened.  Maybe he did it running through bushes chasing him?  

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11 minutes ago, nobody said:

I think you're picturing an old west style guy being dragged from the back of a horse or something.

All he needs to do to qualify as being dragged is be holding on to the car and have it start moving.  I would have to understand how his leg got cut up if there wasn't some sort of contact with the car while it was moving.  

Clearly the term dragged is probably an overstatement if people are thinking it was some action movie stuff where he was getting dragged and pulled himself up on the car and started firing through the windshield or something, but when I hear dragged, I'm picturing a guy grabbing hold of a door and getting pulled off his feet and holding on while the guy goes 5 miles an hour allowing him to regain his feet and get a shot off or something.

So in order to stop from being "dragged", he shoots the guy, as opposed to just letting go.

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33 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm assuming his pant leg was cut on something on the car?

You really think he was being dragged and shot the guy?

You make a lot of assumptions that cause some unstable rants.

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How do we know the ICE agent didnt get a concussion and that is why the severity of his injuries were unknown to him at the time.

Or perhaps he isnt a doctor and he had no idea he had torn his meniscus? 

Or maybe he had undiagnosed bone cancer.

Ir maybe fibers from his pants made it inside the laceration and it got infected, had to get IV administered antibiotics.

I mean can anybody here 100% rule these things out?

Best we 100% wait for all information and not make any judgments. 

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12 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So in order to stop from being "dragged", he shoots the guy, as opposed to just letting go.

Well wants the guy tries to runs into you with the car, all bets are off.  That's common precedent.

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1 minute ago, nobody said:

Well wants the guy tries to runs into you with the car, all bets are off.  That's common precedent.

Actually common sense is that if you're holding onto something, and that something moves, and you don't want to move, you let go.

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23 minutes ago, nobody said:

Which would indicate the guy, I don't know, tried to move them out of the way with his car so he could flee?  In which case someone could've tried to hold on to the car?  

Hell if I know.  I'm just saying, the guy apparently cut his leg up.  That would indicate that something happened.  Maybe he did it running through bushes chasing him?  

Clearly they were still holding on when he started driving.  I think it’s a stretch to say he was driving “at” them, but maybe we’ll get a chance for a jury to decide.

 

and in b4 “don’t try to flee law enforcement and he’s still alive”

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Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Actually common sense is that if you're holding onto something, and that something moves, and you don't want to move, you let go.

Considering he might not have had any major injuries you could be wrong here. Best to wait for the facts to come out. 

 

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Just now, TimHauck said:

don’t try to flee law enforcement and he’s still alive

Thanks for confirming this. 

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5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Lots of good witness accounts and videos.  You can clearly see the guy did not try to ram the agent.  He tried to drive away, the agent didn't want him to so he shot him.

The ALIEN tried to kill a Federal officer. 

FAAFO

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Actually common sense is that if you're holding onto something, and that something moves, and you don't want to move, you let go.

Maybe he was worried either him or one of his fellow officers would get run over in this hypothetical?  

But why did the guy try to drive away in this hypothetical?  Especially with people standing close enough to his car that they could get hurt.

Common theme in situations like this is the person getting shot doesn't want to listen to officers.  I guess his dad never gave him "the talk"

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I now know what white privilege is. For some grown a$$ adults, some of yall have the wildest mental gymnastics to try to figure out the real world.  Jeez.

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Actually common sense is that if you're holding onto something, and that something moves, and you don't want to move, you let go.

Well he stopped a potential even more deadly situation with an illegal alien,  already demonstrating he will do anything to not be deported.  He could have hit children since he was near a school maybe a high speed chase could have resulted in multiple more fatalities.  I’m beginning to lean more towards good shot.

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13 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Well he stopped a potential even more deadly situation with an illegal alien,  already demonstrating he will do anything to not be deported.  He could have hit children since he was near a school maybe a high speed chase could have resulted in multiple more fatalities.  I’m beginning to lean more towards good shot.

The lengths you people go to defend dear leader is outstanding.

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2 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

If he wasn't here illegally, he wouldn't have been shot by ICE. This is his fault.

Even if he was here illegally, if he didn't try to run and allegedly try to run over the people trying to apprehend him he'd be fine.   I don't know what these people expect law enforcement to do when confronted by people acting unpredictably and in a dangerous manner.  

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25 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't know what these people expect law enforcement to do when confronted by people acting unpredictably and in a dangerous manner.  

Follow the law

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8 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

So we're good with just murdering illegals now?  Is that we're you are?

FAFO 

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