edjr 6,824 Posted yesterday at 12:23 PM Holy Chit Your New England Patriots. They may have broke the Bills Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,940 Posted yesterday at 12:35 PM Bills stink. Josh Allen has been a band aid for a while now. They have that QB and they have settled for a power run/6 OL/3TE/5th wr hand off type team with 5 yard routes. They are not that talented. Injuries on defense have sucked. But the coaching is questionable at best. Pay Cook then take him out on 3rd and 4th down all 2nd half. Pay Cook, do nothing interesting with him, then sit and watch Bijan lineup all over and get creative in getting him the ball. Keon Coleman is a bum. Ive said it for years, he hit on Josh so it gives him leeway, but Bills fans crowned Beane early. Hes never been that good and its started to take a big toll. For a top 4 team each year, theyve been trotting out middling rosters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted yesterday at 12:38 PM 2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Bills stink. Josh Allen has been a band aid for a while now. They have that QB and they have settled for a power run/6 OL/3TE/5th wr hand off type team with 5 yard routes. They are not that talented. Injuries on defense have sucked. But the coaching is questionable at best. Pay Cook then take him on on 3rd and 4th down all 2nd half. Pay Cook, do nothing interesting with him, then sit and watch Bijan lineup all over and get creative in getting him the ball. Keon Coleman is a bum. Ive said it for years, he hit on Josh so it gives him leeway, but Bills fans crowned Beane early. Hes never been that good and its started to take a big toll. For a top 4 team each year, theyve been trotting out middling rosters. Similar to Belicheat and the Patriots. TB12 really covered up a lot of BB suck. He was a TERRIBLE drafter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,768 Posted yesterday at 12:46 PM Bills are still the class of that division, but NE is good. Atlanta’s D is legit. It’ll be a huge disappointment if they don’t make the playoffs this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,940 Posted yesterday at 01:12 PM 18 minutes ago, MDC said: Bills are still the class of that division, but NE is good. Atlanta’s D is legit. It’ll be a huge disappointment if they don’t make the playoffs this year. Im not saying Bills will finish 2nd in division. But the class of it is basically just saying Josh Allen. Their run defense is God awful. Career games for any opponent. Their safeties are below average and they are trotting Tre White out as 2nd CB. Their run game with a lead is good. But in a game they were down all night, they had 150 yards passing with 1:43 left game over before 30 more junk yards. They dont have much in the chamber. They basically have to play clean games, win TO battle, and run the ball real well and hold on. The combined record of their wins this year is 3-21. They ran up against two .500 teams and lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,189 Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, edjr said: Similar to Belicheat and the Patriots. TB12 really covered up a lot of BB suck. He was a TERRIBLE drafter. man you try hard with this schtick 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted 23 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Herbivore said: man you try hard with this schtick He's doing a bangup job at UNC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,649 Posted 23 hours ago 1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said: Im not saying Bills will finish 2nd in division. But the class of it is basically just saying Josh Allen. Their run defense is God awful. Career games for any opponent. Their safeties are below average and they are trotting Tre White out as 2nd CB. Their run game with a lead is good. But in a game they were down all night, they had 150 yards passing with 1:43 left game over before 30 more junk yards. They dont have much in the chamber. They basically have to play clean games, win TO battle, and run the ball real well and hold on. The combined record of their wins this year is 3-21. They ran up against two .500 teams and lost. Hot take: Yes, Josh Allen is a great player, but I think in order for him to be at his best, the rest of the team suffers. They weren't better or worse with Diggs (at his peak), than they were last year with jags. Simply, I don't think he makes any player better nor do I think he maximizes his teammates' abilities. Double down... I think the same for Lamar Jackson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,189 Posted 23 hours ago 11 minutes ago, edjr said: He's doing a bangup job at UNC. 6 You were probably one of the knobs that wanted to take Terrell instead of Seymour Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted 21 hours ago 2 hours ago, Herbivore said: 6 You were probably one of the knobs that wanted to take Terrell instead of Seymour 0 without TB12 1 TB12 without him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,460 Posted 20 hours ago 4 hours ago, edjr said: Similar to Belicheat and the Patriots. TB12 really covered up a lot of BB suck. He was a TERRIBLE drafter. This seems to happen with some regularity. Find a great QB, then pay them, then watch the roster crumble while the world wonders why you can't get over the hump. See: Aaron Rodgers with the Packers, Mahomes Chiefs, Allen's Bills, Burrow's Bengals, Jackson's Ravens, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted 20 hours ago Just now, Fnord said: This seems to happen with some regularity. Find a great QB, then pay them, then watch the roster crumble while the world wonders why you can't get over the hump. See: Aaron Rodgers with the Packers, Mahomes Chiefs, Allen's Bills, Burrow's Bengals, Jackson's Ravens, etc. Dak. Not that they were ever good. Obviously drafting at the very bottom of the 1st round is not ideal. Still, you can get lucky and hit on someone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,891 Posted 20 hours ago 5 hours ago, edjr said: Holy Chit Your New England Patriots. They may have broke the Bills i was in my group chat last night saying how crazy it is that the patriots are the best team in the AFC East again and the Jets can't even function since the last time that was the case. that's what happens when you hire the right coach and draft a good QB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,891 Posted 20 hours ago 2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: Hot take: Yes, Josh Allen is a great player, but I think in order for him to be at his best, the rest of the team suffers. They weren't better or worse with Diggs (at his peak), than they were last year with jags. Simply, I don't think he makes any player better nor do I think he maximizes his teammates' abilities. Double down... I think the same for Lamar Jackson. I think Josh Allen is head and shoulders above Lamar, as I am someone who does think he elevates players. Not that he can't do a better job of it but I think he has elevated the likes of Shakir, Knox, even Kincaid when healthy. Gabe Davis, Cole Beasley, Zay Jones, ... Or perhaps it's just because I don't usually hear people excusing Josh Allen as not having enough legit weapons the way I hear them excuse Lamar. I know it gets said from time to time but it doesn't seem to be close to the same narrative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted 20 hours ago 7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: i was in my group chat last night saying how crazy it is that the patriots are the best team in the AFC East again and the Jets can't even function since the last time that was the case. that's what happens when you hire the right coach and draft a good QB A lot of luck involved. Everyone in New England was pissed the Patriots won their last game of 2023 with Mayo to drop down to the #3 pick. Not a single person on earth thought Maye would be better than Williams (not saying he is, just saying for the sake of argument) or would have drafted him higher Who knows. Maybe Williams, Daniels, Maye will all be good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,891 Posted 20 hours ago 1 minute ago, edjr said: Not a single person on earth thought Maye would be better than Williams (not saying he is, just saying for the sake of argument) or would have drafted him higher am I allowed to raise my hand? I was telling people Caleb would be worse than Daniels and quite possibly even Drake Maye. but you're right, I don't think i'd have had the balls to take him over Williams if I was an NFL GM. so you are correct.. luck involved because I'm sure they would not have Maye... but it's also possible Williams on the Patriots looks better since they are building in a completely different manner than the Bears are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted 20 hours ago 1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said: am I allowed to raise my hand? I was telling people Caleb would be worse than Daniels and quite possibly even Drake Maye. but you're right, I don't think i'd have had the balls to take him over Williams if I was an NFL GM. so you are correct.. luck involved because I'm sure they would not have Maye... but it's also possible Williams on the Patriots looks better since they are building in a completely different manner than the Bears are. I think Caleb might be starting to swallow what Johnson is feeding him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,891 Posted 20 hours ago 9 minutes ago, edjr said: I think Caleb might be starting to swallow what Johnson is feeding him Would New England have had pick 1 or 2? In a world where they get Daniels I think they might be even better off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,189 Posted 20 hours ago 30 minutes ago, edjr said: A lot of luck involved. Everyone in New England was pissed the Patriots won their last game of 2023 with Mayo to drop down to the #3 pick. Not a single person on earth thought Maye would be better than Williams (not saying he is, just saying for the sake of argument) or would have drafted him higher Who knows. Maybe Williams, Daniels, Maye will all be good. Actually, the Pats lost their last 2 games of the 2023 season w Belichick as HC. Carolina was getting the #1, which went to da Bears. Pats might have lost the #2 pick by winning their 3rd to last game. Everyone was pissed when the Pats won their last game of the 2024 season w Mayo as HC. That cost them the #1 pick, and fell to 4, just out of what people thought was the money players and tradeability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said: i was in my group chat last night saying how crazy it is that the patriots are the best team in the AFC East again and the Jets can't even function since the last time that was the case. that's what happens when you hire the right coach and draft a good QB How will you guys feel with the Patriots trade for Breece Hall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted 19 hours ago 22 minutes ago, Herbivore said: Actually, the Pats lost their last 2 games of the 2023 season w Belichick as HC. Carolina was getting the #1, which went to da Bears. Pats might have lost the #2 pick by winning their 3rd to last game. Everyone was pissed when the Pats won their last game of the 2024 season w Mayo as HC. That cost them the #1 pick, and fell to 4, just out of what people thought was the money players and tradeability. Apologies. Herby is 100% correct. Mayo winning the last game of 2024, why they drafted T Rex at #4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,094 Posted 19 hours ago 6 hours ago, edjr said: Similar to Belicheat and the Patriots. TB12 really covered up a lot of BB suck. He was a TERRIBLE drafter. Isn't the GM supposed to draft and the coach, coach? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted 19 hours ago 1 minute ago, cmh6476 said: Isn't the GM supposed to draft and the coach, coach? Belicheat had final say on drafting. Since at least 2009 when Scott Pioli left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,124 Posted 19 hours ago 6 minutes ago, edjr said: Apologies. Herby is 100% correct. Mayo winning the last game of 2024, why they drafted T Rex at #4 Mayo ultimately did them a favor winning that game and the Patriots ending up with Campbell. He’s what they needed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,824 Posted 19 hours ago 2 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Mayo ultimately did them a favor winning that game and the Patriots ending up with Campbell. He’s what they needed He is playing well so far, no doubt. I just love the alligator arm narrative 2 drafts in a row, they were pretty much forced to draft who they drafted and that seems to be the only way they make the right pick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herbivore 1,189 Posted 19 hours ago 6 minutes ago, HellToupee said: Mayo ultimately did them a favor winning that game and the Patriots ending up with Campbell. He’s what they needed I think they trade down and get him anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,649 Posted 19 hours ago 1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said: I think Josh Allen is head and shoulders above Lamar, as I am someone who does think he elevates players. Not that he can't do a better job of it but I think he has elevated the likes of Shakir, Knox, even Kincaid when healthy. Gabe Davis, Cole Beasley, Zay Jones, ... Or perhaps it's just because I don't usually hear people excusing Josh Allen as not having enough legit weapons the way I hear them excuse Lamar. I know it gets said from time to time but it doesn't seem to be close to the same narrative. I think Allen is better than Jackson as well, but here's how I see both... neither are truly great quarterbacks. I think that if Lamar was forced to be even a scrambling QB, he'd only be "ok". He's only a great talent if he has the ability to run. I think Allen would be good, a tier above, but in the same boat. I don't think that you could put a better team around them and yield better results. In saying that, it's why I think both have a true ceiling, even right now when they're at their best. Their ceiling is a great regular season with continual post-season disappointment. At some point in the playoffs, they will always play against "team" that is better than who either Allen or Jackson can beat. Right now, they both have the "Well, we have to get past each other AND Mahomes", excuse. The thing is, IF (a big "if"), Cincinnati ever gets an NFL caliber offensive line together to keep Burrow on the field, the Bengals will be another obstacle for Allen and Jackson. Heck, I don't think either could beat Indy right now... and they have Daniel Jones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,649 Posted 18 hours ago 1 hour ago, Fnord said: This seems to happen with some regularity. Find a great QB, then pay them, then watch the roster crumble while the world wonders why you can't get over the hump. See: Aaron Rodgers with the Packers, Mahomes Chiefs, Allen's Bills, Burrow's Bengals, Jackson's Ravens, etc. I've always made that argument, but I don't think you can put Mahomes in there. He's been to 5 Super Bowls, won 3. Of those, he did make the Super Bowl 3 times (won twice), after getting paid. Rodgers never went back. Neither Allen or Jackson have ever been there. At least Burrow has made it once in his career (as compared to Allen and Jackson), but I think he has the ability to match Mahomes if they can get an OLine together. Honestly, had they spent the money on that, instead of Higgins, they'd be better off. I believe I read that Cincinnati had the 31st ranked OLine last year along with the 25th ranked defense. Despite that, they missed the playoffs by 1 game. If the Bengals were just 20th at both, they most likely make the playoffs... probably win at least 1 game too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,649 Posted 18 hours ago 7 hours ago, edjr said: Holy Chit Your New England Patriots. They may have broke the Bills The #1 seed's at the 33% mark of the season are lead by Baker Mayfield and Daniel Jones. I'll bet 0 people had that on their bingo cards back in August. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,940 Posted 18 hours ago 11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: I think Allen is better than Jackson as well, but here's how I see both... neither are truly great quarterbacks. I think that if Lamar was forced to be even a scrambling QB, he'd only be "ok". He's only a great talent if he has the ability to run. I think Allen would be good, a tier above, but in the same boat. I don't think that you could put a better team around them and yield better results. In saying that, it's why I think both have a true ceiling, even right now when they're at their best. Their ceiling is a great regular season with continual post-season disappointment. At some point in the playoffs, they will always play against "team" that is better than who either Allen or Jackson can beat. Right now, they both have the "Well, we have to get past each other AND Mahomes", excuse. The thing is, IF (a big "if"), Cincinnati ever gets an NFL caliber offensive line together to keep Burrow on the field, the Bengals will be another obstacle for Allen and Jackson. Heck, I don't think either could beat Indy right now... and they have Daniel Jones. Reid and Spags vs Derm and Joe focking Brady is an aspect. 13 seconds anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,649 Posted 18 hours ago 2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Reid and Spags vs Derm and Joe focking Brady is an aspect. 13 seconds anyone? Agreed. I've always said, the best teams that will yield the best results are the ones where the QB and HC/OC are all on the same page. If one isn't, you'll never maximize your potential. Have all 3, and lesser groupings will still succeed (see Tampa). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,094 Posted 18 hours ago I just hope this can last forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites