Dealer hit on 17 last night, pulled a 3

[cmh6476 1,104]

If that doesn't tell you much about the current job market, I'm not sure what would

[seafoam1 3,382]

4 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

If that doesn't tell you much about the current job market, I'm not sure what would

What casino do you go to that has a hit soft 17 rule for dealers? All I've been to have a no hit 17+. 

[jerryskids 7,040]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

What casino do you go to that has a hit soft 17 rule for dealers? All I've been to have a no hit 17+. 

Really?  It's been a while, but I thought they did hit on soft 17s.   

Here is what Google says:

It depends on the casino and table, but most Vegas blackjack tables now have the dealer hit on a soft 17, which is slightly worse for the player. Some high-limit rooms and downtown/off-Strip casinos still have tables where the dealer stands on soft 17, but the minimum bets are often much higher. The "stand on soft 17" (S17) rule gives players a slightly better edge. 

[cmh6476 1,104]

It wasn't a soft 17.  The dude was on the struggle bus with math.   We tried to help him as much as we could.  The pit caught it quickly and was like, "no, no, no, no" 

[seafoam1 3,382]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Really?  It's been a while, but I thought they did hit on soft 17s.   

Here is what Google says:

It depends on the casino and table, but most Vegas blackjack tables now have the dealer hit on a soft 17, which is slightly worse for the player. Some high-limit rooms and downtown/off-Strip casinos still have tables where the dealer stands on soft 17, but the minimum bets are often much higher. The "stand on soft 17" (S17) rule gives players a slightly better edge. 

I can't calculate the odd off the top of my head, but doesn't it seem the soft hit would be edge to the players? I'm trying to think about the distribution and usage of larger cards vs. lower cards with like 4-5 players in any one game. 

Hitting on 17 requires an ace, 2, 3, or 4 to stay in the game. And I would think there are more hits on lower card hands throughout the game, so maybe more of them being used up earlier. 

I don't know. I used to go to the boat in KC but I was more of a roulette guy at the time.

 

[seafoam1 3,382]

2 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

It wasn't a soft 17.  The dude was on the struggle bus with math.   We tried to help him as much as we could.  The pit caught it quickly and was like, "no, no, no, no" 

 oops.

[cmh6476 1,104]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I can't calculate the odd off the top of my head, but doesn't it seem the soft hit would be edge to the players? I'm trying to think about the distribution and usage of larger cards vs. lower cards with like 4-5 players in any one game. 

Hitting on 17 requires an ace, 2, 3, or 4 to stay in the game. And I would think there are more hits on lower card hands throughout the game, so maybe more of them being used up earlier. 

I don't know. I used to go to the boat in KC but I was more of a roulette guy at the time.

 

But it impacts your ability to stay on 17 or 18 a little more comfortably and probably win more often

[seafoam1 3,382]

11 minutes ago, cmh6476 said:

But it impacts your ability to stay on 17 or 18 a little more comfortably and probably win more often

Definite impact in some way. My statistics skills have definitely dropped off since my school days. 

[nobody 2,862]

15 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I can't calculate the odd off the top of my head, but doesn't it seem the soft hit would be edge to the players? 

You couldn't calculate it off the top of your head.  You couldn't calculate it with an abacus. you couldn't calculate it with a calculator.  You couldn't calculate with excel.  Man, you couldn't calculate it with a damn quantum computer.  

[seafoam1 3,382]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

You couldn't calculate it off the top of your head.  You couldn't calculate it with an abacus. you couldn't calculate it with a calculator.  You couldn't calculate with excel.  Man, you couldn't calculate it with a damn quantum computer.  

Cool story. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,656]

34 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Really?  It's been a while, but I thought they did hit on soft 17s.   

Here is what Google says:

It depends on the casino and table, but most Vegas blackjack tables now have the dealer hit on a soft 17, which is slightly worse for the player. Some high-limit rooms and downtown/off-Strip casinos still have tables where the dealer stands on soft 17, but the minimum bets are often much higher. The "stand on soft 17" (S17) rule gives players a slightly better edge. 

It Atlantic City, the dealer always has to stand on all 17's.

[jerryskids 7,040]

24 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I can't calculate the odd off the top of my head, but doesn't it seem the soft hit would be edge to the players? I'm trying to think about the distribution and usage of larger cards vs. lower cards with like 4-5 players in any one game. 

Hitting on 17 requires an ace, 2, 3, or 4 to stay in the game. And I would think there are more hits on lower card hands throughout the game, so maybe more of them being used up earlier. 

I don't know. I used to go to the boat in KC but I was more of a roulette guy at the time.

 

No, a soft 17 is an ace and a six, so it can be either 17 or 7.  There is no fear of busting on a hit.  If the dealer hits and gets an A-4, he'll stop there.  5 or higher, he'll keep going until he gets to 17 or busts.  According to the interwebs, this is a 0.2% advantage to the house.

 

[seafoam1 3,382]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

No, a soft 17 is an ace and a six, so it can be either 17 or 7.  There is no fear of busting on a hit.  If the dealer hits and gets an A-4, he'll stop there.  5 or higher, he'll keep going until he gets to 17 or busts.  According to the interwebs, this is a 0.2% advantage to the house.

 

Right, but when you take the hit on the soft 17, you only have only 4 cards that can help. 

[jerryskids 7,040]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Right, but when you take the hit on the soft 17, you only have only 4 cards that can help. 

Well, kinda.  I'm not an expert, but it seems to me at if I've got a soft 17 and the dealer is showing 8 or higher, I'm guessing I'm losing the hand (he's got a 10 or A) so I'll take that chance.  And if the new card is higher than a 4 I've got a second chance with my next card(s).  That seems worth a shot.

If the dealer is showing 2-6, I'm guessing they are going to bust, the closer to 6, the more likely.  So I'm also taking a card, because why not?  If I get an A-4, all the better, and as a bonus I maybe stopped him from getting it.  If it goes over, say I'm at 13, I just stay and bet on him busting out.

I'd have to think about if he is showing a 7, and maybe a 2, but again, I haven't analyzed all of these scenarios, I'm just riffing here.   

 

[seafoam1 3,382]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, kinda.  I'm not an expert, but it seems to me at if I've got a soft 17 and the dealer is showing 8 or higher, I'm guessing I'm losing the hand (he's got a 10 or A) so I'll take that chance.  And if the new card is higher than a 4 I've got a second chance with my next card(s).  That seems worth a shot.

If the dealer is showing 2-6, I'm guessing they are going to bust, the closer to 6, the more likely.  So I'm also taking a card, because why not?  If I get an A-4, all the better, and as a bonus I maybe stopped him from getting it.  If it goes over, say I'm at 13, I just stay and bet on him busting out.

I'd have to think about if he is showing a 7, and maybe a 2, but again, I haven't analyzed all of these scenarios, I'm just riffing here.   

 

Right, you gotta take all the dealer's options into account. As well as what your options are and if you already held before he got his ace or not. There's just a lot to factor in. I've seen dealers, after everyone has held and pull 3 more cards and hit 20 or 21 for the win. That's the worst. 

[nobody 2,862]

9 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Right, you gotta take all the dealer's options into account. As well as what your options are and if you already held before he got his ace or not. There's just a lot to factor in. I've seen dealers, after everyone has held and pull 3 more cards and hit 20 or 21 for the win. That's the worst. 

Have you played black jack before, rain man?  It's called standing - not holding.

[listen2me 23 1,947]

Blackjack is my game.  Ive heard of it.  But I have never personally played blackjack where those are the rules, nor ever would.  

I understand the OP is saying the dealer screwed up.  

[seafoam1 3,382]

5 hours ago, nobody said:

Have you played black jack before, rain man?  It's called standing - not holding.

wow. neat story.  

[cmh6476 1,104]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Blackjack is my game.  Ive heard of it.  But I have never personally played blackjack where those are the rules, nor ever would.  

I understand the OP is saying the dealer screwed up.  

Yeah.   I also had a few, but I'm also pretty sure he counted 17 for the person to my right, who i thought had 16 and it made it a push for that player.   I can't be sure though, because I'm not a snitch and no one else said anything

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,514]

You always hit soft 17. Period. The math is hugely there. 
 

the most misplayed hands are soft 18 and 9-9 18 in blackjack.  People stay way too much on soft 18 and don’t split enough on two 9s

[nobody 2,862]

6 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

You always hit soft 17. Period. The math is hugely there. 
 

the most misplayed hands are soft 18 and 9-9 18 in blackjack.  People stay way too much on soft 18 and don’t split enough on two 9s

Wait until the heat about doubling down on soft 17.  Minds will be blown.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,514]

Just now, nobody said:

Wait until the heat about doubling down on soft 17.  Minds will be blown.

they are idiots if they say anything

wait til they learn what to do with soft 18 lol