ICE stepping in front of cars

[Engorgeous George 2,360]

12 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Yes.

I wonder what an internist was going to do for a women shot in the head.  He would have been next to useless (I suspect totally as i believe she died next to instantly and then slumped forward onto the accelerator though that is neither here nor there.)  I do apprecaite in this day and age of lawsuits that a physician would put himself forward.  I also note that though an interenist is not the doctor of choice in trauma matters he would be a hell of a lot more valuable than I would ahve been, so kudos, I suppose, for the offer .

[Ron_Artest 2,733]

18 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I wonder what an internist was going to do for a women shot in the head.  He would have been next to useless (I suspect totally as i believe she died next to instantly and then slumped forward onto the accelerator though that is neither here nor there.)  I do apprecaite in this day and age of lawsuits that a physician would put himself forward.  I also note that though an interenist is not the doctor of choice in trauma matters he would be a hell of a lot more valuable than I would ahve been, so kudos, I suppose, for the offer .

I'm sure he didn't know that she was shot in the head at the time.

[Engorgeous George 2,360]

14 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'm sure he didn't know that she was shot in the head at the time.

I'm sure he didn't.  The Agents controling the scene and who refused to admit him to the area did though.  Regardless, nice offer by him, and potentially the correct choice by the Agents as the outcome may have been beyond doubt even to untrained eyes.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,684]

On 1/10/2026 at 5:31 PM, Ron_Artest said:

WSJ investigation: In the past 6 months ICE agents have fired at vehicles 13 times, leading to:

* 8 people shot

* 5 of which were U.S. citizens

* 2 died

* no victims drew a weapon

The playbook: Agents box in a vehicle, block attempts to flee, then fire

 

Same practice at border patrol 

US Border Agents Intentionally Stepped in Front of Moving Vehicles to Justify Shooting at Them https://share.google/zB7fbToAqvk3BqpY1

Border Patrol agents have intentionally and unnecessarily stepped in front of moving cars to justify using deadly force against vehicle occupants.

 

I think this is a great idea.  You don't?  Why?  Shouldn't this, in theory, lead to significantly less deaths?  I mean, if a law enforcement agent is positioned in front of a stopped vehicle, wouldn't we expect humane people to stand down and yield to authority?

[TBayXXXVII 2,684]

On 1/11/2026 at 10:25 AM, MDC said:

More than half of all ICE agents out there have <1 year of experience. It’s a largely inexperienced force on a new and dangerous mission led by unqualified goons like Noem. 

Not surprised this is the result.

Probably wouldn't be necessary if a certain group of politicians make peace officers out to be racist murderers.  

[Hardcore troubadour 16,220]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Yes.

Let me know when they find him. Funny everyone has a camera but they missed this. 

[SaintsInDome2006 876]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Let me know when they find him. Funny everyone has a camera but they missed this. 

That is a journalist at Politico saying she found him.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,220]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That is a journalist at Politico saying she found him.

Oh, politico. Well that’s different. 

[MDC 8,241]

33 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Probably wouldn't be necessary if a certain group of politicians make peace officers out to be racist murderers.  

I don’t think it was murder. I also don’t think good was a domestic terrorist who tried to run the ice agent down. It would be nice if everyone toned down the temperature. Unfortunately the guy at the very top is a venal scumbag who likes to sow discord. 

[SaintsInDome2006 876]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh, politico. Well that’s different. 

And several other publications l. If I understand you correctly, we have someone who lied to police (pretty sure to falsely claim being a doctor is a crime), several other people who lied to the press, & a professional journalist who lied about talking to this individual. That’s definitely more plausible than the idea that a physician really was one of several score bystanders. 

[dogcows 1,425]

33 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think this is a great idea.  You don't?  Why?  Shouldn't this, in theory, lead to significantly less deaths?  I mean, if a law enforcement agent is positioned in front of a stopped vehicle, wouldn't we expect humane people to stand down and yield to authority?

How could anybody think that standing in front of running cars presumably driven by criminals would lead to fewer deaths?

As a firm believer in the laws of physics, I can guarantee you 100% you will not get run over if you’re not in the path of the vehicle. If you’re in the path, your odds decrease significantly.

Stay in school kids.

[TBayXXXVII 2,684]

On 1/11/2026 at 1:11 PM, Engorgeous George said:

I agree.  I also think we should hold ourselves to a standard way above this (her conduct intending to precipitate a confrontation and potentially a crisis).

I'm always entertained by the Left's insistance in trying to deflect blame by trying to say how a result should've been avoided instead of taking accountability as to why the situation happened in the first place and remedies on how to prevent this situation from even happening in the first place.... such as, pushing forward with the agenda of closing off the border and/or, party leaders telling their constituents to get in the way of law enforcement performing legal duties.

[TBayXXXVII 2,684]

19 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t think it was murder. I also don’t think good was a domestic terrorist who tried to run the ice agent down. It would be nice if everyone toned down the temperature. Unfortunately the guy at the very top is a venal scumbag who likes to sow discord. 

Right, he's the only one?  

[MDC 8,241]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Right, he's the only one?  

He’s not the only one, but he is the worst offender and the “man” at the very top. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,684]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

How could anybody think that standing in front of running cars presumably driven by criminals would lead to fewer deaths?

As a firm believer in the laws of physics, I can guarantee you 100% you will not get run over if you’re not in the path of the vehicle. If you’re in the path, your odds decrease significantly.

Stay in school kids.

Wow, you just implied that Good was a criminal.  Interesting.

I actually have no problem with police unloading their entire clip into the windshield of a criminal who's trying to run them over.  If someone got pulled over for a certain crime and saw a cop in front of them knowing they're going to get gunned down, do you think the number of people fleeing would go down?  I do.  If it doesn't, then the "he had no weapon" argument is gone completely, and justifies every shooting.

[TBayXXXVII 2,684]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

He’s not the only one, but he is the worst offender and the “man” at the very top. 

LOL, yeah, sure he is.  

[dogcows 1,425]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Wow, you just implied that Good was a criminal.  Interesting.

I actually have no problem with police unloading their entire clip into the windshield of a criminal who's trying to run them over.  If someone got pulled over for a certain crime and saw a cop in front of them knowing they're going to get gunned down, do you think the number of people fleeing would go down?  I do.  If it doesn't, then the "he had no weapon" argument is gone completely, and justifies every shooting.

I did no such thing. We weren’t discussing Ms. Good. We were discussing the training. She wasn’t driving at the ICE clown improperly using a firearm in one hand and phone in the other.

Also, firing at a driver of a moving vehicle that is headed at you won’t stop it. You are better off using your energy to move out of the way. There really is no defense for shooting the driver in 99% of cases.

[MDC 8,241]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

LOL, yeah, sure he is.  

He really is. You’ve just been gaslighted into believing the way he behaves is normal. I’m confident by the end of his term, everyone but the most deluded MAGA bottom-feeder will see him for the cretin he is.

You won’t ever get it though, bottom-feeder.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,684]

Just now, dogcows said:

I did no such thing. We weren’t discussing Ms. Good. We were discussing the training. She wasn’t driving at the ICE clown improperly using a firearm in one hand and phone in the other.

Also, firing at a driver of a moving vehicle that is headed at you won’t stop it. You are better off using your energy to move out of the way.

You said that a criminal wouldn't care that an office was in front of their vehichle.  Dude, she literally hit the agent in front of her.  If she had gotten out of the vehicle, like the original agent told her to do, none of this would've happened either.  So, she was disobeying a direct order from a federal agent.  You wouldn't be wrong in calling her a criminal.

Both can happen.  It did in this case, didn't it?

[TBayXXXVII 2,684]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

He really is. You’ve just been gaslighted into believing the way he behaves is normal. I’m confident by the end of his term, everyone but the most deluded MAGA bottom-feeder will see him for the cretin he is.

You won’t ever get it though, bottom-feeder.  

Sure, you go on like that.  It really helps people take you seriously. 

[seafoam1 3,572]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

He really is. You’ve just been gaslighted into believing the way he behaves is normal. I’m confident by the end of his term, everyone but the most deluded MAGA bottom-feeder will see him for the cretin he is.

You won’t ever get it though, bottom-feeder.  

mdpee is broke and living his pathetic liberal life in fishtown USA. 

And he thinks he's not the bottom feeder. 

[MDC 8,241]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Sure, you go on like that.  It really helps people take you seriously. 

Oh no.  

[dogcows 1,425]

20 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 Dude, she literally hit the agent in front of her. 

No she didn’t. Now I know I’m talking with a brainwashed person. I wish you the best and I hope you recover soon. 

[supermike80 2,179]

Jesus christ.  We had a bazillion page thread about this that got deleted and here we are again.  Arguing the same things

Over and over and over and over again.