Another ICE shooting (murder?) in Minnesota

[squistion 2,760]

NYT update:

On the lawn outside Alex Pretti’s home in Minneapolis, two candles were nestled in the snow, their flames flickering in the chill of the night. Neighbors on his block had come together for a small, private gathering. 

[TimHauck 3,557]

8 minutes ago, nobody said:

I'm waiting for some more videos to surface, but it looks to me like ICE agents really messed up here.

Appears dude was disarmed before shots fired therefore not a threat given the 4 agents subduing him.

Most plausible scenario: Accidental discharge triggered agents to shoot not realizing the dude was disarmed.  

But it's also very plausible some trigger happy douche decided he was a threat and opened fire.  

Neither are good.  

On the spectrum of potential scenarios, at minimum anyone who fired a shot needs badge removed.  Government liable for civil damages.

Shooters potentially eligible for criminal charges pending more evidence.  What's shown, they can't do criminal charges to me.

Best thing feds can do is say they focked up but I'm sure they have a bunch of lawyers telling them they can't say that.

I would also think their lawyers would also be telling them not to make up blatant lies about the dude they killed, yet here we are…

Thank you for being reasonable here though. 

[dogcows 1,495]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Obstruct with a deadly weapon? Yeah probably.

incredible that you guys have convinced yourselves that obstructing FEDERAL agents enforcing laws is permissible. Amazing 

I don’t care if somebody is a federal agent or not if they are beating and pepper-spraying unarmed women. A poosay like you wouldn’t understand what it means to stand up for a woman.

[squistion 2,760]

From NYT:

SMH.

Attorney General Pam Bondi sent a letter to Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota on Saturday, blaming him and other Democratic elected officials for allowing “lawlessness.” In the letter, Ms. Bondi demanded that state officials turn over records of welfare recipients; that local officials “repeal sanctuary policies;” and that the state turn over voter records to the Department of Justice. “The time has come for state and local officials in your state to change course,” she wrote. It was uncertain whether the letter was sent before or after the shooting.

 

[thegeneral 3,880]

If people weren’t recording this you know these poorly trained cops would have planted a gun on that dude they just shot. They screwed up very badly.

[dogcows 1,495]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

If people weren’t recording this you know these poorly trained cops would have planted a gun on that dude they just shot. They screwed up very badly.

Yep, I still remember the original police report for the murder of George Floyd. A complete fabrication. Makes you wonder how often police reports bear no semblance to reality.

[Ron_Artest 2,871]

Makes you wonder how many crimes cops covered up before the cell phone era 

[blick 45]

23 minutes ago, nobody said:

I'm waiting for some more videos to surface, but it looks to me like ICE agents really messed up here.

Appears dude was disarmed before shots fired therefore not a threat given the 4 agents subduing him.

Most plausible scenario: Accidental discharge triggered agents to shoot not realizing the dude was disarmed.  

But it's also very plausible some trigger happy douche decided he was a threat and opened fire.  

Neither are good.  

On the spectrum of potential scenarios, at minimum anyone who fired a shot needs badge removed.  Government liable for civil damages.

Shooters potentially eligible for criminal charges pending more evidence.  What's shown, they can't do criminal charges to me.

Best thing feds can do is say they focked up but I'm sure they have a bunch of lawyers telling them they can't say that.

This might be the most reasonable post in this entire thread. I’d also add though that with all the chaos going on in Minneapolis, this was bound to happen. 

Short of ICE pulling out (not going to happen) or the local police departments start to work WITH ICE (not going to happen) or the Mayor and Governor capitulate (not going to happen), it’s likely to happen again. 

[dogcows 1,495]

5 minutes ago, blick said:

This might be the most reasonable post in this entire thread. I’d also add though that with all the chaos going on in Minneapolis, this was bound to happen. 

Short of ICE pulling out (not going to happen) or the local police departments start to work WITH ICE (not going to happen) or the Mayor and Governor capitulate (not going to happen), it’s likely to happen again. 

Your answer is that the police and state government need to bend over and take it from the feds who are clearly acting illegally? You’re damn right that’s not gonna happen. 

[blick 45]

7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Your answer is that the police and state government need to bend over and take it from the feds who are clearly acting illegally? You’re damn right that’s not gonna happen. 

Ah. I don’t think I said that. 

[dogcows 1,495]

2 minutes ago, blick said:

Ah. I don’t think I said that. 

My bad… but any chance for cooperation seems to be gone. Sad. Because before these raids, they got numerous “worst of the worst” folks through cooperation with ICE and local authorities.

[thegeneral 3,880]

17 minutes ago, blick said:

This might be the most reasonable post in this entire thread. I’d also add though that with all the chaos going on in Minneapolis, this was bound to happen. 

Short of ICE pulling out (not going to happen) or the local police departments start to work WITH ICE (not going to happen) or the Mayor and Governor capitulate (not going to happen), it’s likely to happen again. 

How about ICE leaves, the Minneapolis cops, government ask for their help? There are plenty of other cities they can move into that have a shitload more illegals for them to round up. Maybe move all these dudes to Dallas or San Antonio or Houston.

If people there don’t like what is happening they pick some new politicians in the next election.

[blick 45]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

My bad… but any chance for cooperation seems to be gone. Sad. Because before these raids, they got numerous “worst of the worst” folks through cooperation with ICE and local authorities.

The person they were after today sounded like someone we don’t want in this county. All I think I know is if he would have been handed over to ICE when he was originally arrested, or the local police department was cooperating today, this wouldn’t have happened.

ICE needs to be able to do their job. There’s been a lot of instances where they’ve done it poorly. But I think a lot of it is directly caused by the conditions under which they are working. 

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Just now, thegeneral said:

How about ICE leaves, the Minneapolis cops, government ask for their help? There are plenty of other cities they can move into that have a shitload more illegals for them to round up. Maybe move all these dudes to Dallas or San Antonio or Houston.

If people there don’t like what is happening they pick some new politicians in the next election.

Immigration is a national issue.  Local governments don't get to tell the Feds whether they can enforce federal law there.   FFS can't believe I even have to type that.

[dogcows 1,495]

Just now, blick said:

The person they were after today sounded like someone we don’t want in this county. All I think I know is if he would have been handed over to ICE when he was originally arrested, or the local police department was cooperating today, this wouldn’t have happened.

ICE needs to be able to do their job. There’s been a lot of instances where they’ve done it poorly. But I think a lot of it is directly caused by the conditions under which they are working. 

Conditions which the government created themselves IMO. 

[thegeneral 3,880]

Just now, Strike said:

Immigration is a national issue.  Local governments don't get to tell the Feds whether they can enforce federal law there.   FFS can't believe I even have to type that.

Why would anyone outside of Minneapolis give a shet about illegals in Minneapolis versus any other city? ICE has been there en masse for what now a month? How about try another city and let this one calm down.

There’s hundreds of thousands of illegals in Texas, move the band of ICE down there. Probably a lot warmer. They won’t even need their masks.

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Just now, thegeneral said:

Why would anyone outside of Minneapolis give a shet about illegals in Minneapolis versus any other city? ICE has been there en masse for what now a month? How about try another city and let this one calm down.

There’s hundreds of thousands of illegals in Texas, move the band of ICE down there. Probably a lot warmer. They won’t even need their masks.

Because people are free to move between cities in this country.  Seriously?

[dogcows 1,495]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Immigration is a national issue.  Local governments don't get to tell the Feds whether they can enforce federal law there.   FFS can't believe I even have to type that.

Actually, you’re not correct on this, so you should not have typed it. Federal agents are subject to local laws.

 

[thegeneral 3,880]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Because people are free to move between cities in this country.  Seriously?

What?

[dogcows 1,495]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Because people are free to move between cities in this country.  Seriously?

Great point. People are free to move. Which is why ICE announcing “we’re coming to Minneapolis” ahead of time was stupid if they actually wanted to catch criminals. Why do you think they’re having to resort to arresting kids, citizens, and legal immigrants? All the actual foreign criminals got out of town before ICE even got there.

 

[blick 45]

10 minutes ago, Strike said:

Immigration is a national issue.  Local governments don't get to tell the Feds whether they can enforce federal law there.   FFS can't believe I even have to type that.

Actually, I think the 10th amendment technically makes these local policies legal.  However, ICE has the very responsibility to enforce the federal laws. They can go where the want, when they want to do it.  Local law enforcement responsibility is to protect and serve. Given what’s going on in Minneapolis, they are doing a VERY bad job. In this instances, their local policies are getting people killed. 

[dogcows 1,495]

1 minute ago, blick said:

Actually, I think the 10th amendment technically makes these local policies legal.  However, ICE has the very responsibility to enforce the federal laws. They can go where the want, when they want to do it.  Local law enforcement is to protect and serve. Given what’s going on in Minneapolis, they are doing a VERY bad job. In this instances, their local policies are getting people killed. 

Everything was fine before 2000 ICE agents came followed by DHS camera crews for a show. But somehow the violence is the fault of local authorities? Please explain to me: what did the local authorities do that was wrong.

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1 minute ago, blick said:

Actually, I think the 10th amendment technically makes these local policies legal.  However, ICE has the very responsibility to enforce the federal laws. They can go where the want, when they want to do it.  Local law enforcement is to protect and serve. Given what’s going on in Minneapolis, they are doing a VERY bad job. In this instances, their local policies are getting people killed. 

I didn't say the local policies were illegal. 

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1 minute ago, dogcows said:

Everything was fine before 2000 ICE agents came followed by DHS camera crews for a show. But somehow the violence is the fault of local authorities? Please explain to me: what did the local authorities do that was wrong.

Laken Riley doesn't think everything was fine.

[TimHauck 3,557]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Why would anyone outside of Minneapolis give a shet about illegals in Minneapolis versus any other city? ICE has been there en masse for what now a month? How about try another city and let this one calm down.

There’s hundreds of thousands of illegals in Texas, move the band of ICE down there. Probably a lot warmer. They won’t even need their masks.

I’m sure these DHS agents wish Nick Shirley made his video over the summer.  Zero reason IMO that they would be in Minnesota this time of year other than that video.

[blick 45]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Everything was fine before 2000 ICE agents came followed by DHS camera crews for a show. But somehow the violence is the fault of local authorities? Please explain to me: what did the local authorities do that was wrong.

Complete lack of cooperation from the governor down.  I agree with you that the administration is making this political, but so is Gov Waltz. If local police provides some cover to let ICE do their jobs, bad guys get arrested, hopefully no one else gets hurt, and ICE moves on when their mission is complete. 

[avoiding injuries 1,692]

I think ICE is doing Pretti, Pretti, Good. 

[dogcows 1,495]

1 minute ago, blick said:

Complete lack of cooperation from the governor down.  I agree with you that this administration is making this political, but so is Gov Waltz. 

But in what way? I see people say this, but I’ve yet to see concrete examples. I have even seen local PD handling crowd control at protests to keep people safe.

To be more specific: what would this cooperation look like? I know for a fact they have been handing over convicted criminals at the end of their sentences to be deported. What else does ICE want?

[MDC 8,326]

Trump encouraged the National Guard to treat US cities as training grounds and use maximum force against citizens. DHS announced their presence in Minneapolis and Trump promised a “day of reckoning and retribution.” ICE detains citizens without cause and busts into houses without warrants. The admin claims ICE has blanket immunity, has no comment on the civil rights abuses, and lied about both shootings within hours of the incidents occurring.

Trump wants violent conflict and he’s encouraged it every step of the way, from the comfort of his country club. He’s not a front lines guy. 

[thegeneral 3,880]

So again why not let the heathens in Minneapolis all kill each other? Move the ice cops down to say Houston. Probably 10 times the illegals there to grab up. 

[blick 45]

7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

But in what way? I see people say this, but I’ve yet to see concrete examples. I have even seen local PD handling crowd control at protests to keep people safe.

To be more specific: what would this cooperation look like? I know for a fact they have been handing over convicted criminals at the end of their sentences to be deported. What else does ICE want?

Maybe. But two question for you specifically about today. Why was an illegal immigrant with violent past still in this country? Where were the local police providing crowd control and de-escalating?

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1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

So again why not let the heathens in Minneapolis all kill each other? Move the ice cops down to say Houston. Probably 10 times the illegals there to grab up. 

These poor business owners 

[Big Guy 1,440]

the one thing I see over and over being said by the protesters is "They're Trying to Kill Us!" .....so focking moronic

[thegeneral 3,880]

Just now, League Champion said:

These poor business owners 

Having ice cops shoot people in front of their doors then the subsequent protests that occur probably isn’t the best. Foot traffic maybe increases. Who knows.

In any case pull up the stakes in the ground and roll all these ice down to Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Austin, Jacksonville, Nashville, Orlando, Atlanta, etc. Try out another place.

[League Champion 1,985]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Having ice cops shoot people in front of their doors then the subsequent protests that occur probably isn’t the best. Foot traffic maybe increases. Who knows.

In any case pull up the stakes in the ground and roll all these ice down to Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, Austin, Jacksonville, Nashville, Orlando, Atlanta, etc. Try out another place.

All to protect Illegal Somalians, Libs are sick people 

[dogcows 1,495]

Just now, blick said:

Maybe. But two question for you specifically about today. Why wasn’t an illegal immigrant with violent past still in this country. Where were the local police providing crowd control and de-escalating?

I don’t understand this question. The dead guy is an American citizen. Is there some right-wing media narrative that he was supposedly stopping them “getting a bad hombre?”

Did ICE tell local PD they were at a certain location and they needed assistance? If no, how could they help? Didn’t look like a crowd; just a couple of people.

And since the ICE presence outnumbers local PD in that area, they can’t get escorts everywhere they go. So… ball’s back in your court to explain what “cooperation” you’re claiming they are refusing.

[dogcows 1,495]

3 minutes ago, Big Guy said:

the one thing I see over and over being said by the protesters is "They're Trying to Kill Us!" .....so focking moronic

Right? They aren’t just trying; they are succeeding in killing them.

[TimHauck 3,557]

25 minutes ago, blick said:

The person they were after today sounded like someone we don’t want in this county. All I think I know is if he would have been handed over to ICE when he was originally arrested, or the local police department was cooperating today, this wouldn’t have happened.

 

10 minutes ago, blick said:

Complete lack of cooperation from the governor down.  I agree with you that the administration is making this political, but so is Gov Waltz. If local police provides some cover to let ICE do their jobs, bad guys get arrested, hopefully no one else gets hurt, and ICE moves on when their mission is complete. 

I think it’s interesting DHS named a specific person they were going after here (btw I’d be careful assuming local police refused to hand him over to ICE when he was originally arrested), but did not do that with Renee Good.  To me that indicates their presence in Good’s neighborhood was a show and that they wanted protesters there.   Because outside of situations like that I’d bet there really weren’t huge protests prior to the Good incident.  Killing a US citizen women caused the protests to grow, and I’m sure this one will cause them to grow more.

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Notice how not one of the libs here addresses the FACT that all Minnesota needs to do is COOPERATE with ICE - let them arrest these thugs when they're released from jail or the police station and provide assistance when they're performing operations such as today.  They don't need to agree with ICE.  Just cooperate with a fellow law enforcement agency.  The incident today doesn't happen if local police are cooperating with ICE to arrest the bad hombre they had a warrant to arrest today.  

Libs don't really care about these people.  They care about exploiting this incident.

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NYT update:

Residents throughout the Twin Cities are setting out candles to memorialize Alex Pretti. A single flame flickered in a second-story apartment window. A row of votives illuminated the icy walkway of a house. Red and white candles are glowing on porches throughout the streets of Minneapolis.