Instant Fantasy Analysis - WR Corey Coleman, Browns

[The Football Guru 212]

It's about time. Cleveland has ignored the receiver position for a few years despite having a screaming need for one. In Coleman, the Browns get a bona fide playmaker in the Percy Harvin mold. Coleman is raw as a route-runner - he essentially ran four kinds of routes in Baylor's spread offense - but there is probably no receiver in this draft that possesses the ceiling he does. If he wants to be great, he can have a Steve Smith kind of career. He's a dynamic chess piece that new HC Hue Jackson will figure out (pretty quickly) how to use in a creative fashion and, as a result, needs to be taken seriously as a potential low-end starting option in redraft leagues. On talent alone, Coleman needs to be considered somewhere in the middle of the first round in rookie drafts.

[jdon 28]

I like Coleman.

 

i just can't get over a cleveland wideout...

 

I suspect people who take coleman in dynasty drafts will be rewarded...

 

I suspect people who play coleman early in redraft leagues are going to drop him... and watch him get picked up in the second half of the season...

jdon

[ralphster 274]

Seems to me that the Browns had a Coleman type guy in Travis Benjamin, so they could have just kept him and then upgraded another position instead of taking Coleman. Or does Coleman > Benjamin by that much?

[Bert 1,091]

Seems to me that the Browns had a Coleman type guy in Travis Benjamin, so they could have just kept him and then upgraded another position instead of taking Coleman. Or does Coleman > Benjamin by that much?

Coleman is the product of Art Briles system. Great in college not so much in the NFL. I can not understand if they were going to take a WR why didn't they take Docston? Oh that's right they are the Browns. Maybe the Baylor QB/WR thing will work out for them but I would not bet on it ending well.

[nobody 2,038]

Too bad he's in cleveland. That'll hurt his value for 4 or 5 years.

[Too Loud 5]

Too bad he's in cleveland. That'll hurt his value for 4 or 5 years.

Its like a car that runs bad no matter what, then you pull the engine, replace it and , vroom vroom.

This isnt the same old Browns, I can tell that from the smart moves already.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Its like a car that runs bad no matter what, then you pull the engine, replace it and , vroom vroom.

This isnt the same old Browns, I can tell that from the smart moves already.

I agree. Something is different in Brown Town. I am not scared off by the stigma. If Benjamin could be successfull there, Coleman can. And i do not equate the two as similar players

[nobody 2,038]

Its like a car that runs bad no matter what, then you pull the engine, replace it and , vroom vroom.

This isnt the same old Browns, I can tell that from the smart moves already.

I hear you that they seem to be making smart moves, but they're basically an expansion franchise. They have virtually nothing on that team. Their owner drafted manziel because a homeless man told him to do it. You think he's going to be patient while the browns build a team? I don't.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

I hear you that they seem to be making smart moves, but they're basically an expansion franchise. They have virtually nothing on that team. Their owner drafted manziel because a homeless man told him to do it. You think he's going to be patient while the browns build a team? I don't.

This is another good point. Hes still going to give the GM a few years.

[Ray_T 591]

Coleman is the product of Art Briles system. Great in college not so much in the NFL. I can not understand if they were going to take a WR why didn't they take Docston? Oh that's right they are the Browns. Maybe the Baylor QB/WR thing will work out for them but I would not bet on it ending well.

I was thinking the same.

 

Doctson would have been a nice add. Probably pretty close to being pro ready too.

 

This kid has home run potential, I dont deny, but hes not pro ready. he ran a very limited route tree in college(so lots of coaching required to bring him up to speed).

 

More importantly, his attitude isnt great. (like Moss, he doesnt go very hard if hes not the first or second read) and not much of a blocker.

 

its like he has Steve Smith talent. Randy Moss attitude(maybe not as bad as Moss). If I was the GM I would pass on him in round 1. To me, he was a second round selection.

 

I guess I shouldnt be surprised. it is Cleveland after all.......

[Maulers1973 117]

Coleman is bigger than Benjamin so he should produce more YAC. Though, that doesn't mean that he will. The other WR's are interesting. One that's a blazer and one that is mr hands. We'll see if any of them pan out as a good possession guy.

 

I expect Cleveland to be especially bad this year, but I liked their draft overall.

 

Mostly, I like that they have two 1st rounders, two 2nd rounders next year and two 2nd rounders in 2018.

 

I also like that Haslam didn't interfere.

 

 

 

One last point. There were a LOT of pundits saying Cleveland HAD to pick Johnny back in 2014. Where are they now? I've got some crowe I'd like to ram down their throats!

[weepaws 2,460]

Think the Browns blew it.

 

They needed to draft the one big need they have been without for sometime now and that's a Qb.

 

They can draft all the WRs they want to , still no one to get them the ball = no fantasy points .

[giraldi02 470]

Think the Browns blew it.

 

They needed to draft the one big need they have been without for sometime now and that's a Qb.

 

They can draft all the WRs they want to , still no one to get them the ball = no fantasy points .

 

Travis Benjamin in Cleveland had more fantasy points than Alshon Jeffery last season in PPR leagues. HTH

[weepaws 2,460]

Would hope so .

 

He only played in seven more games .

 

Benjamin avg 12.2 per game and Jeffery avg 17.6 per game .

 

Again they should have drafted a Qb .

[Ray_T 591]

Would hope so .

 

He only played in seven more games .

 

Benjamin avg 12.2 per game and Jeffery avg 17.6 per game .

 

Again they should have drafted a Qb .

I understand that some wanted a QB.

 

But

 

Many of the scouting reports I read suggested that none of this years QB draft class was pro ready. It looked like most would need to sit & learn to play pro for at least a half year (if not a full year)

 

so even if Cleveland drafts a QB, they are stuck with RG3 at QB anyways.

 

If they dont draft a QB it could be because they feel better prospects will be available to them next year.

 

So when a kings ransom was offered to them for their pick I can hardly fault them for taking it. They can improve the rest of the team, get a QB next year if it looks like RG3 isnt getting it done and move on.

 

It's actually not a bad plan (assuming this was actually planned. it is the Browns, so it could be just luck of the draw that it turned out this way)

[weepaws 2,460]

I think the plan was awful and it shows why they are a horrible football organization.

 

 

They need to develop a Qb .

 

They did not need to load up at Wr .

 

This is horrible team management.

[weepaws 2,460]

Maybe next season they can load up on kickers and punters .

[Ray_T 591]

I think the plan was awful and it shows why they are a horrible football organization.

 

 

They need to develop a Qb .

 

They did not need to load up at Wr .

 

This is horrible team management.

I think they did need at least one starting WR.

 

Where I question them is why they took Coleman when they could have had Doctson. but that is a different issue entirely. My point is that they did need a WR. I also have no problem in taking extra WR's later in the draft cuz some of those guys wont work out.

[giraldi02 470]

Go look at what Hue Jackson has done with the likes of Patrick Ramsey, Joey Harrington, Joe Flacco, Carson Palmer, and Andy Dalton. He's managed to get the best out of some relatively weak quarterbacks. Not saying that Kessler/McCown/RGIII will do well or fail because no one knows, but I trust Hue to develop a relatively unknown QB more than many head coaches in the NFL.

 

The same tired rhetoric about bad franchises doesn't particularly apply here either since the entire organization is pretty much re-worked from top to bottom. This analytics dude they hired just stockpiled picks in this past draft along with landing an extra 2017 1st and 2nd and a 2018 second. The not for long acronym applies not only to the duration of players' careers, but also success and failure of franchises.

 

The same people flaming the Browns here are the ones that said just a summer ago that the Jaguars and Raiders didn't have any relevancy in fantasy nor the NFL. Now here we are with both teams arguably a year away (or less) from contending in their division and conference.

 

But here's an interesting statistic for those that are flaming them for acquiring a ton of draft picks:

Between 2006 and 2015, the New England Patriots and the Green Bay Packers have drafted the most players (93). They are 1 and 2 respectively in the NFL in winning percentage over that time.

 

Given the bust rate in the NFL draft, the more chances you have to swing the bat, the more likely you are to fill the holes in your roster. Since the Browns have quite a few holes, it makes perfect sense for them to acquire as much capital as possible.

[weepaws 2,460]

Hue Jackson is why they should have taken a Qb .

 

Sorry but I disagree about the job they did .

 

I think they once again missed and it shows why they are still the sorry Browns .

[Maulers1973 117]

I agree with Giraldi. There were many who said that they HAD to take Johnny Manziel. No they didnt! Just like they didn't HAVE to take Wentz.

 

I think they had a good strategy and implemented it fairly well. Could they have done some different things? Sure, but overall they did well with acquiring addtional picks.

They're going to have the inside track for THE best QB of next year's class rather than some guy from ND St that nobody had ever heard of prior to the end of 2015.

[giraldi02 470]

I agree with Giraldi. There were many who said that they HAD to take Johnny Manziel. No they didnt! Just like they didn't HAVE to take Wentz.

 

I think they had a good strategy and implemented it fairly well. Could they have done some different things? Sure, but overall they did well with acquiring addtional picks.

They're going to have the inside track for THE best QB of next year's class rather than some guy from ND St that nobody had ever heard of prior to the end of 2015.

 

The Browns have a legitimate chance at getting both Deshaun Watson and either Nick Chubb or Leonard Fournette next year with their 1st and the Eagles 1st. They might be a contender in the AFC by 2018.

[weepaws 2,460]

Now wait one second , that all sounds great , but they are still the same old sorry Browns .

 

 

They should have drafted a Qb .

[browns16-0 30]

Now wait one second , that all sounds great , but they are still the same old sorry Browns .

 

 

They should have drafted a Qb .

 

You don't draft a qb if you don't see him as a franchise qb at pick 2. If Goff was there maybe it's a different story but I don't think the Browns wanted at best a 50/50 proposition of being a decent nfl qb with Wentz. I'd much rather have Coleman, 2016 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 2017 1st and 2nd, and a 2018 2nd rounder than an extremely risky proposition at qb. The Browns got a boatload of riches for that one single pick. It's really the only move that could have been made in my opinion. The real test is what players the Browns take with those picks to determine who won this trade. Now with the Browns previous track record I'm not overly optimistic.

 

Now as someone else mentioned, I agree that the Browns are in fantastic position to draft Watson. At the very worst they have more draft assets than anyone else to be able to move up and grab Watson if they so decide.

[weepaws 2,460]

 

They should have drafted a Qb .

[nobody 2,038]

The Browns got a boatload of riches for that one single pick.

Too bad they used all those riches on wide receivers.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Too bad they used all those riches on wide receivers.

They used all of the picks on receivers?

[giraldi02 470]

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cody-kessler-1.html

 

Not too bright are ya lil feet?

 

They should have drafted a Qb .

[nobody 2,038]

They used all of the picks on receivers?

Yeah, it's crazy. Heard they're even going to convert the fat guys to pass catchers. Nuts.

[Frozenbeernuts 1,652]

Yeah, it's crazy. Heard they're even going to convert the fat guys to pass catchers. Nuts.

They did draft a lot. Who gets to start opposite Coleman?

[nobody 2,038]

Higgins in my opinion

[Ray_T 591]

 

You don't draft a qb if you don't see him as a franchise qb at pick 2. If Goff was there maybe it's a different story but I don't think the Browns wanted at best a 50/50 proposition of being a decent nfl qb with Wentz. I'd much rather have Coleman, 2016 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 2017 1st and 2nd, and a 2018 2nd rounder than an extremely risky proposition at qb. The Browns got a boatload of riches for that one single pick. It's really the only move that could have been made in my opinion. The real test is what players the Browns take with those picks to determine who won this trade. Now with the Browns previous track record I'm not overly optimistic.

 

Now as someone else mentioned, I agree that the Browns are in fantastic position to draft Watson. At the very worst they have more draft assets than anyone else to be able to move up and grab Watson if they so decide.

I agree.

 

if for whatever reason, you dont think the QB you will have available to you with a top 5 pick is the one you want, you gotta make a decision.

 

In this case, they got what I'd consider to be a kings ransom for the pick. Nothing wrong with that.

 

If RG3 doesnt pan out, they'll have another top pick (or can put a package together to get one) and they can execute at that time.

 

You dont just pick the best QB on the board if you dont like him all that much at that point in the draft. This is the kind of mistake the browns of old would have made. Lets give the new browns a chance.

 

I didnt agree with the receiver they took but they did need one. I just would have picked a different guy (Doctson) but overall, the strategy was okay.

[Little Big Head 6]

I like Coleman. Thinks he's going to be a good player. Im expecting him to see a ton of targets this year and I think Hue will draw up plenty of plays that jive with his strengths

[Ray_T 591]

Well, the reports I'm reading suggest hes not as bad with the route running as was initially reported.

 

This has to be good news, but I still think they will need to coach the heck out of him to get him to the point where he is fantasy relevant.

 

He may be a mid season waiver wire pickup in redraft. but a solid WR to take in Dynasty.