WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted June 2, 2016 Vlad imo should get in. Not first ballot. Pudge is a 1st ballot guy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted June 2, 2016 Vlad imo should get in. Not first ballot.Isn't Vlad basically F. McGriff, minus a WS ring? I can't believe T. Raines doesn't get more support than he does. To me he's a flat out, no brainer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vuduchile 1,941 Posted June 2, 2016 so you're anti-steroids obviously. you know for a fact Pudge who played with Canseco, JuanGon and Aroid didn't do them? Laughable Palmeiro was also on the same Rangers team as Pudge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 2, 2016 Palmeiro was also on the same Rangers team as Pudge. the dumbest of them all Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted June 2, 2016 Palmeiro tested positive in 2005. Nice thread edit, ed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 2, 2016 Palmeiro tested positive in 2005 Yeah, I edited that out, as I hit post, I remembered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted June 2, 2016 Yeah, I edited that out, as I hit post, I remembered. It was Stanazolo that he tested out for.... The really significant thing about Raffy - is that he was one of the 1st ones named by Canseco that actually ended up testing true. Gave instant credibility to all of Canseco's claims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 2, 2016 It was Stanazolo that he tested out for.... The really significant thing about Raffy - is that he was one of the 1st ones named by Canseco that actually ended up testing true. Gave instant credibility to all of Canseco's claims. It's a shame Raffy isn't on the HOF ballot. Speaking of numbers, check his numbers. Outrageous. The thing was, he was never the best player on his team. Never finished higher than 5th in MVP voting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted June 2, 2016 It's a shame Raffy isn't on the HOF ballot. Speaking of numbers, check his numbers. Outrageous. The thing was, he was never the best player on his team. Never finished higher than 5th in MVP voting He also played at the same time as such greats as Mattingly, Mo Vaughn, Frank Thomas and McGwire - got lost in the shuffle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 2, 2016 He also played at the same time as such greats as Mattingly, Mo Vaughn, Frank Thomas and McGwire - got lost in the shuffle. :| Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hoytdwow 202 Posted June 2, 2016 It's a shame Raffy isn't on the HOF ballot. Lying to Congress tends to have consequences Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 2, 2016 Lying to Congress tends to have consequences if you're rafael palmiero or Martha Stewart if you're last name is Clinton, it's okay Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 994 Posted June 3, 2016 http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/hof_2017.shtml Players in bold are 1st year on ballot. Others are in order of percentage of votes they received last year. Pudge seems the only lock and probably Bagwell. Manny won't get in which is focking outrageous How Bagwell gets in and not Kent is a travesty. Pudge was a steroid user. He is not a lock at all. Bagwell, EDgar and Raines. Those are the ones that should get in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 Pudge was a steroid user. He is not a lock at all. Bagwell, EDgar and Raines. Those are the ones that should get in. because Bagwell definitely didn't roid? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted June 3, 2016 Edgar....should get in. Really good player, great hitter - but no way, not even close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kopy 491 Posted June 3, 2016 Jeff Bagwell Trevor Hoffman Roger Clemens Barry Bonds Edgar Martinez Ivan Rodriguez Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 Really good player, great hitter - but no way, not even close. finished 3rd and 6th in MVP and never as close as 12th again. Not even close to HOF worthy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 2,710 Posted June 3, 2016 Don't understand anybody who mentions Bagwell over Vlad, Vlad was a much better hitter. I don't care about OPS in this case, I love the fact that Vlad was going up there to rake. Schilling is the only one I'd consider at this time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mungwater 588 Posted June 3, 2016 because Bagwell definitely didn't roid? I saw him in a bar with some buddies a couple of years ago, he was a skeleton compared to his playing days Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 Don't understand anybody who mentions Bagwell over Vlad, Vlad was a much better hitter. I don't care about OPS in this case, I love the fact that Vlad was going up there to rake. Schilling is the only one I'd consider at this time. on Vlad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 I saw him in a bar with some buddies a couple of years ago, he was a skeleton compared to his playing days I am 99% positive Bags did roids. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,172 Posted June 3, 2016 Isn't Vlad basically F. McGriff, minus a WS ring? I can't believe T. Raines doesn't get more support than he does. To me he's a flat out, no brainer. Mcgriff has 43 more homers in something like 600 more at bats with a batting average that is over 30 points lower. McGriff has like 5 more RBI again in many more at bats. It's a decent comparison but vlad could hit anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 Unless you're a pitcher, does a WS ring even matter? baseball is a total team sport (other than pitching) Great pitching always beats great hitting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 994 Posted June 3, 2016 Edgar and big poppi are the best designated hitters in the history of baseball. He most certainly does belong in.If he doesn't then neither does Ortiz. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 Edgar and big poppi are the best designated hitters in the history of baseball. He most certainly does belong in.If he doesn't then neither does Ortiz. wow Like comparing Nomar to Jeter. get the fock out of here with that crap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 994 Posted June 3, 2016 wow Like comparing Nomar to Jeter. get the fock out of here with that crap not my fault your a moron and can't see it. I understand though. Whatever brain disease you have that gives you such a massive hard on for bonds is probably at work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mile High Drunk 13 Posted June 3, 2016 Don't care about guys who juiced. Bagwell Raines Hoffman Schilling Clemens Bonds Sheffield Pudge Manny Vlad Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chronic Husker 85 Posted June 3, 2016 Raines Schilling Clemens Bonds Walker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,648 Posted June 3, 2016 Edgar and big poppi are the best designated hitters in the history of baseball. He most certainly does belong in.If he doesn't then neither does Ortiz. Paul Molitor belongs in that conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 994 Posted June 3, 2016 "While Martinez has fewer home runs than Ortiz, a variety of other stats paint him as the better DH and probably the best one in baseball history, from his 147 OPS+ to his 148 wRC+ to his .312/.418/.515 slash" Oh and Griffy Jr. is 100% sure he deserves the HOF. ....but lets listen to Edjr instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 "While Martinez has fewer home runs than Ortiz, a variety of other stats paint him as the better DH and probably the best one in baseball history, from his 147 OPS+ to his 148 wRC+ to his .312/.418/.515 slash" Oh and Griffy Jr. is 100% sure he deserves the HOF. ....but lets listen to Edjr instead. 8 years on the ballot and still not in. 43% of the vote last year yeah, lets listen to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted June 3, 2016 Edgar and big poppi are the best designated hitters in the history of baseball. He most certainly does belong in.If he doesn't then neither does Ortiz. 1261 rbi's, 309 hr's, OPS .933 - good Lord, focking Tino Martinez had better numbers and he even played in the field.... Stop it already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 1261 rbi's, 309 hr's, OPS .933 - good Lord, focking Tino Martinez had better numbers and he even played in the field.... Stop it already. Numbers just don't work anymore. not when you have 309 HR (laughable) and played in the roid era Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted June 3, 2016 Numbers just don't work anymore. not when you have 309 HR (laughable) and played in the roid era If you're a DH (as Edgar was mostly known for) - you better have some focking eye popping, astronomical stats to get you even consideration. Edgar was an really good hitter, always hit for a high average and was a hard as hell out - but give me a focking break... It will be a crime if T. Raines doesn't get in - it will be laughable if Martinez does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 Edgar played during the height of the steroid era, those numbers just don't work, sorry. papi has 500+ hr and although I am convinced he is cheating, has played during the testing era of MLB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kilroy69 994 Posted June 3, 2016 8 years on the ballot and still not in. 43% of the vote last year yeah, lets listen to me. So when big papi does not get in because of the bias against the DH you are not going to cry like a b1tch? Doubtful. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,648 Posted June 3, 2016 If you're a DH (as Edgar was mostly known for) - you better have some focking eye popping, astronomical stats to get you even consideration. Edgar was an really good hitter, always hit for a high average and was a hard as hell out - but give me a focking break... It will be a crime if T. Raines doesn't get in - it will be laughable if Martinez does. Tino isn't getting in. Why the hard on for him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cruzer 1,992 Posted June 3, 2016 Tino isn't getting in. Why the hard on for him? Uh, that's kind of the point. Apparently you whiffed on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 5,564 Posted June 3, 2016 So when big papi does not get in because of the bias against the DH you are not going to cry like a b1tch? Doubtful. name a more clutch hitter in your lifetime. who happen to have helped/carried the Red Sox (a team that hadn't won in 80 years to 3 world series) yes I said early that WS shouldn't matter necessarily, but with Papi it's different. The dude MASHES in the playoffs and especially the WS 1.372 career WS ops Much like Schilling, playoffs matter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
