Who has the best year?

[Ganggreen3232 0]

please rank all 4.

 

Just trying to figure out a keeper situation that I have with these rbs and also holt and moss need to keep 4 and I also have the 2nd overall pick. Im conteplating an offer of 2 rbs for peyton manning since the owner only has chestor and julius for his rbs.

[famousb 11]

personally,

i would try to offer Moss+Rb for Peyton, as any one of those RBs is really more valuable than Moss.

Even if you only start 2 RBs, i would rather have the third on the bench as a bye-week / security blanket fill-in and pick up another WR w/ potential to go off...

 

anyway, looks like the offseason was really good to you... went from having a few guys in RBBC / questionable scenarios, to having 4 potential studs... congrats...

 

 

I say you have to keep Rudi, as he is the rock of your four, and almost a guarantee for 1400 & 12.

 

Then you have to choose b/w Maroney/TJones/Henry.

 

I think Henry is the next on the list since he will be the clear-cut #1 guy on the most prolific run offense for the last several years. Add that to the year he had last, and you have a chance for an easy top10 stud.

 

So that splits Maroney and Jones...

ask alot of people, i'm not high on 2nd year RBs that are given the limelight. But Maroney has a great situation w/ lots of talent around him. Appropriately, many people will have him ranked super high. But my concern is durability to pull through an entire 16 gm season as the workhorse, especially w/ the brutal schedule NE has this year.

 

TJones i think is going to have a year easily on par w/ last, as Mangini is rapidly chaning the NYJ for the better. He's going to have someone there to give him breathers and keep him fresh, but he's still going to be the guy, and should also get 3rd down chances while maybe losing a few looks at the stripe.

 

That said, I think you keep TJones and package Maroney w/ Moss for Peyton. Sure Maroney has the greater upside and more flash - but that's exactly why you can use him for trade bait. His numbers won't be significantly higher than TJones, and the difference between Peyton and the #2 (or later) QB will easily make up that difference. Moss+Maroney is alot of hype fire-power that could get you Peyton, plus it also gets rid of Moss, who could have a good year, but IMO is just really being overhyped considering his past two years and NE's propensity to spread the ball around.

[Fumbleweed 547]

This may sound crazy, but I don't think guys win titles who pick Rudi Johnson in the first round. The guy is really consistent and reliable to score 12-16 points a game, but he's not the explosive stud that you want to build your team around. I just don't think Rudi's production is explosive enough to carry fantasy teams.

 

As such, I would rather take a shot at Maroney or Henry personally with Rudi then ahead of Thomas Jones.

[Ganggreen3232 0]

Thanks for the input famous, almost my exact thoughts. Except I have maroney ahead of jones figuring if maroney gets hurt I have 2 good rbs to fall back on. The problem with a maroney and moss deal still leaves me with 5 guys to take 4 from (rudi, jones, henry, manning, holt) I know I would trade jones but I was stuck on maroney and henry to package with. I lose 2 backs but have the second pick which I could def get a decent back still. But it nets me manning which would be far better qb than what I could probably get in the draft to make up the difference between maroney/jones and say a lynch or AP or another 2nd tier back.

[famousb 11]

This may sound crazy, but I don't think guys win titles who pick Rudi Johnson in the first round. The guy is really consistent and reliable to score 12-16 points a game, but he's not the explosive stud that you want to build your team around. I just don't think Rudi's production is explosive enough to carry fantasy teams.

 

As such, I would rather take a shot at Maroney or Henry personally with Rudi then ahead of Thomas Jones.

 

i don't think Rudi as a 1st rounder wins you a championship either, but you know exactly what you are going to get, so if you pair him w/ one risk/reward guy like THenry, then you get your shot at the - i don't like 2 risk/reward guys to take me to the promise land much more than i like 2 overally safe guys either...

 

 

Thanks for the input, almost my exact thoughts. Except I have maroney ahead of jones figuring if maroney gets hurt I have 2 good rbs to fall back on. The problem with a maroney and moss deal still leaves me with 5 guys to take 4 from (rudi, jones, henry, manning, holt) I know I would trade jones but I was stuck on maroney and henry to package with. I lose 2 backs but have the second pick which I could def get a decent back still. But it nets me manning which would be far better qb than what I could probably get in the draft to make up the difference between maroney/jones and say a lynch or AP or another 2nd tier back.

 

but if you traded the two RBs for Manning, you'd still have to pick 4 of 5... either way you're giving up two players...

and since you are picking 2nd overall, if you keep Rudi, Henry, Manning, Holt (and drop TJones), you are guaranteed at least TJones or one of the two aforementioned rookies will be there for your first pick. You then fill in your 2nd WR spot in the 2nd round w/ a guy like Reggie Brown (who should easily be there if there isn't someone better available).

i was saying Maroney would be ranked higher than TJones by most people too... that's what makes him such great bait in the trade... plus if you drop him (instead of TJones in the above scenario), you know you're not getting him back...

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

I see it completely different.

 

I'd offer him TJ and Moss or maybe offer TJ and Rudi but then demand Peyton and Chester or JJones.

 

I am not as high on TJones as many others are. He's older, he's been a journeyman for a reason (teams don't consider him a franchise back). I admit he's been successful but he's not a difference maker. Also, I think Washington is going to get a lot of action on that team because he is explosive and can be a difference maker.

 

Rudi's going to get you 1400 and 12, and there's definitely something to be said for that, but that's his ceiling. And he's no threat in the passing game.

 

Meanwhile Maroney and Henry could both be special this year. Maroney is in a fantastic situation, can be a difference maker, and is a good receiver. Henry is in a fantastic situation, is a great fit for Denver's zone system, and he's a decent receiver. Neither of these guys has anyone on their rosters currently that will threaten their jobs. I see a much higher ceiling for both Henry and Maroney and even though you're taking a chance on injuries with Maroney, and to a lesser extent Henry, there's no guarantee of health for Rudi and TJ either.

 

I'll take situation, upside, and explosive, difference makers every time.

[Fumbleweed 547]

I see it completely different.

 

I'd offer him TJ and Moss or maybe offer TJ and Rudi but then demand Peyton and Chester or JJones.

 

I am not as high on TJones as many others are. He's older, he's been a journeyman for a reason (teams don't consider him a franchise back). I admit he's been successful but he's not a difference maker. Also, I think Washington is going to get a lot of action on that team because he is explosive and can be a difference maker.

 

Rudi's going to get you 1400 and 12, and there's definitely something to be said for that, but that's his ceiling. And he's no threat in the passing game.

 

Meanwhile Maroney and Henry could both be special this year. Maroney is in a fantastic situation, can be a difference maker, and is a good receiver. Henry is in a fantastic situation, is a great fit for Denver's zone system, and he's a decent receiver. Neither of these guys has anyone on their rosters currently that will threaten their jobs. I see a much higher ceiling for both Henry and Maroney and even though you're taking a chance on injuries with Maroney, and to a lesser extent Henry, there's no guarantee of health for Rudi and TJ either.

 

I'll take situation, upside, and explosive, difference makers every time.

 

I basically agree with this. Like he said, Rudi has a definite ceiling and he's not going to rise above it.

 

Manning, Maroney, Henry, & Holt.....now that's a foursome I could get excited about.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Manning, Maroney, Henry, & Holt.....now that's a foursome I could get excited about.

 

Agreed. With that foursome to start and the 2nd overall pick, you'd scare the hell out of the other teams. Much, much scarier than Manning, TJ, Rudi, Holt.

[famousb 11]

i think the one thing we all agree on is that you have to keep Henry... what a change from last year...

[Ganggreen3232 0]

I like that theory actually, never really thought of the ceiling philosophy. Plus I got alot of interest in rudi from the teams in my league. I really never considered keeping Moss so the 2 back trade would not leave me in a dilemma. Although maybe a Rudi/moss trade would work then I drop Jones and possibly pick him back up or snag lynch or peterson. I like the jones/rudi scenerio for peyton and chester and then drafting peterson although I get screwed if the first pick takes AP. Now heres the real question for you guys in keeper leagues, do you try to make trades early or wait to see if possible injuries occur in training camp or preseason to determine if and when to make trades.

[famousb 11]

Now heres the real question for you guys in keeper leagues, do you try to make trades early or wait to see if possible injuries occur in training camp or preseason to determine if and when to make trades.

 

i never like to make trades early in the year. I don't so much wait for injuries, i just like to see how things start shaking out, and make certain there are no major trades/signings/stirups that would ruin my year before it even starts...

 

Like Maroney fore example, what's his value do if Dillon unexpectedly comes back for one more year? Sure Maroney would still be considered the horse, but now all of a sudden he's probably losing goalline carries to Dillon again... (just an example off the top of my head, not saying i think that's going to happen).

 

the exception to my not trading early rule is if i have a guy i have a strong feeling may actually get into a worse situation before the year, that someone else wants to pay a premium for... like in the previous example, if i had Maroney and really felt that Dillon was coming back, than i would probably trade him for as much as i could get...

[Ganggreen3232 0]

Yeah thats why the Moss hype has got me thinking trade now.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Now heres the real question for you guys in keeper leagues, do you try to make trades early or wait to see if possible injuries occur in training camp or preseason to determine if and when to make trades.

 

It depends on your team's needs/wants and how soon you need to publicly claim your keepers.

 

Right now you are in an enviable position. You've currently got TJ, Rudi, Maroney, and Henry on your roster. Preseason injuries don't scare you at all. Meanwhile, this other guy has Chester and Julius. He's already screwed and if he loses one of them in the preseason, he's even more desperate. You have the luxury of being deep at a position that's pretty scarce. You've got a lot of leverage.

 

 

 

I've got "hand" Jerry.  I've got "hand".

[RLLD 4,234]

1- Rudi Johnson~ The class of the group

2- Travis Henry~ Everyone underrated him last year (except me of course ) will thrive in Denver

 

3- Lawrence Maroney~ Now the man in NE, without question, but not yet a fantasy monster, though could be soon

4- Thomas Jones~ The change in venue is not going to benefit him

 

JMHO

[Foghorn Leghorn 0]

This may sound crazy, but I don't think guys win titles who pick Rudi Johnson in the first round. The guy is really consistent and reliable to score 12-16 points a game, but he's not the explosive stud that you want to build your team around. I just don't think Rudi's production is explosive enough to carry fantasy teams.

 

As such, I would rather take a shot at Maroney or Henry personally with Rudi then ahead of Thomas Jones.

 

I've had Rudi for the last three years, and I couldn't agree more with you. Remember too, that he has four guaranteed tough rush defences to face (2 x Baltimore, 2 x Pittsburgh).

[Ganggreen3232 0]

I've had Rudi for the last three years, and I couldn't agree more with you. Remember too, that he has four guaranteed tough rush defences to face (2 x Baltimore, 2 x Pittsburgh).

 

 

Well I have had him for only a yr but Im definitely seeing the point now with him.

[RLLD 4,234]

This may sound crazy, but I don't think guys win titles who pick Rudi Johnson in the first round.

 

I only wish this were true....

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1. Laurence Maroney - will be the man in New England this year. Only question is, can he stay healthy?

 

2. Rudi Johnson - Averaged 3.5 ypc last year. Hard to get too excited about that.

 

3. Travis Henry - Can he put it together for a whole year?

 

4. Thomas Jones - I've never been high on him, and the chance of teams does not help IMO.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Giving you Manning, I'm going to take a different stance than some. I tend to try and stick to consistency method. If you're starting Manning + Holt + Rudi, you basically know what you're going to get week to week. My feeling is that try and trade the hot names right now, Maroney + T. Jones, and start Manning+Rudi+THenry+Holt then grab the best RB or WR w/ my #2 spot. But at this point, whichever way you go, you're probably looking good this year if you can pull off that trade.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

This may sound crazy, but I don't think guys win titles who pick Rudi Johnson in the first round. The guy is really consistent and reliable to score 12-16 points a game, but he's not the explosive stud that you want to build your team around. I just don't think Rudi's production is explosive enough to carry fantasy teams.

 

Even worse look at the track record of power backs who just pound he rock with little to no elusiveness. They have very short shelf lives and fall off quick. See Eddie George, Jamal Lewis, Natrone Means, Stephen Davis. Don't get caught holding onto Rudi for too long.

[Chief71 0]

Even worse look at the track record of power backs who just pound he rock with little to no elusiveness. They have very short shelf lives and fall off quick. See Eddie George, Jamal Lewis, Natrone Means, Stephen Davis. Don't get caught holding onto Rudi for too long.

 

There are however a few exceptions....Jerome Bettis is one that comes to mind...but I would say that your are right.

[Protagonist 0]

I am facing a similar situation however my league keeps 6 so I'm ok...

 

My definate keepers are T. Henry, T. Jones, T. Holt, T. Owens and A. Boldin with a combo platter of Berrian/Watson/Jordan/Hasselback as my 6th (probabaly going with Berrian for his big play ability)

 

For everyone who was commenting on Rudi, you're absolutely right! 80-90 yards and a TD every game is consistent yet frustrating in a sense (in my league 100 is 5 more points for 15 not just 10). I owned him last year, 2 weeks after he ran for 144 and 2 TDs I pawned him off for Boldin and Berrian and then won my next 8 games in a row. Tthe guy I traded him to won the league with Harrison, DJax, Westbrook, Vick, Smith, Furrey but didn't eliminate me.

 

As for your situation with all these stud backs the 2 to keep are definately Henry and Maroney. Package Rudi and Moss for Peyton? You could probabaly deal off those 2 for a young stud future stud WR (Roy, Andre, Fitz, Boldin) it all depends if the teams who own these guys are built to win now.

 

Sure Peyton is by far the best QB but you can find QBs later than any other position and their #'s can be easily inflated based on matchups and philosophies (see Losman vs HOU 2006 and Kitna with Martz 2006). There's only 1 on each team, you only start 1, you can grabe a starter almost every week and they are involved in every offensive passing play so 50% of the time they have a chance for success. BUT then again he is Peyton and superstars win championships!

 

So why not make the trade for a young stud WR (Holt isn't getting any younger) and then keep Henry, Maroney, Holt and whatever future stud you can get. You could even trade T. Jones along with your 2nd overall pick to make sure you get Calvin Johnson at #1.

[Ganggreen3232 0]

how many people in here do trades this early in the season? we give in our keeprs 2 weeks beofre the draft right before the season opener. Im thinking good to trade now if I can do a back and Moss, but probably better to wait if I have to give up 2 backs. I dont want to get stuck trading two backs and have one or 2 of my other ones get hurt in preseason. If its just one back and Moss I could afford to take an injury to a back. I dont think he would take jones and moss for manning though. plus he already has steve smith.

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

Thomas Jones will be stuck behind Leon Washington and Cedric Houston on the depth chart...

 

J/K, but remember those silly threads regarding those two guys from this past season...?

 

Keep Maroney and Rudi or Henry. Rudi if you want a "safe" pick, Henry if you want the "largest upside" pick. Nah, fuggit, keep Maroney and Henry. Roll the dice... Henry will be just fine, as long as Shanny doesn't try to get cute with his running back corps

[Raider 84 29]

The Old Randy is back! 75 catches 1300 yards 10-14 tds!

[shredhead 21]

I see it completely different.

I'd offer him TJ and Moss or maybe offer TJ and Rudi but then demand Peyton and Chester or JJones

He can only keep 4! What good does demanding Chester or JJones do him? Great, then he could cut Chester and then pass on him at 1.2

[Zackattack 0]

Maroney is my first pick with Henry a close second. They both have large upside but small risks.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

He can only keep 4! What good does demanding Chester or JJones do him? Great, then he could cut Chester and then pass on him at 1.2

 

Have you been reading the entire thread?

 

Obviously the trade would be to get Peyton but the extra rb would be for depth until the season starts if the guy chooses to trade now. He should try to send one of his rb's and Moss if he can but if he really wants Peyton, he can afford to send 2 of his rb's. The Chester or JJ kicker would be for insurance reasons.

[Little Big Head 6]

for all of you underestimating TJ.......The Jets were top 10 in rush attempts in the league last year and scored 15tds on the ground with a very mediocre group of rbs. Sure LW will get some touches but T.Jones will be getting the bulk of the work and GL carries

[Melissa Stark 1]

Fumbleweed May 3 2007, 01:29 PM Post #3

 

This may sound crazy, but I don't think guys win titles who pick Rudi Johnson in the first round. The guy is really consistent and reliable to score 12-16 points a game, but he's not the explosive stud that you want to build your team around. I just don't think Rudi's production is explosive enough to carry fantasy teams.

 

As such, I would rather take a shot at Maroney or Henry personally with Rudi then ahead of Thomas Jones

 

Agreed, also as Famousb stated, some of it depends on league points, My league has 6pt td,s for Qb's and Manning will go before him. I do believe you can build teams around these types of players and win.

A solid(Brady type Qb), 2 steady rb's and at least 1 productive(with upside) Wr puts you in contention at the least.

This group of players is abit skewed,Rudi has been in my league's top ten for a few years now(PPR also)

I grabbed T Jones 2 yrs ago in the 7th rnd and he turned it on and also this past season.

I'll still go with the theory of finding key middle round key players for depth,and draft low key steady producing Wr's in those rnds. The Wr's are the wild card every year for my league and any league that is very competetive along with those low key producing Rb's for depth.