Farve released and if he signs with the Vikings...

[kutulu 1,676]

How much of a boost (if any) does that give A. Peterson?

[Belushi 9]

If Adrian Peterson eats a magical cupcake and becomes 11ft. tall (ala Alice in Wonderland), is he the consensus #1 pick?

 

That's about as likely to happen as the Favre to Minnesota scenario.

[stosher1 0]

If Adrian Peterson eats a magical cupcake and becomes 11ft. tall (ala Alice in Wonderland), is he the consensus #1 pick?

 

That's about as likely to happen as the Favre to Minnesota scenario.

[kutulu 1,676]

If Adrian Peterson eats a magical cupcake and becomes 11ft. tall (ala Alice in Wonderland), is he the consensus #1 pick?

 

That's about as likely to happen as the Favre to Minnesota scenario.

 

So there is zero percent chance they let him walk?

[Belushi 9]

So there is zero percent chance they let him walk?

 

Why on earth would they let him walk? They've got a valuable commodity in Favre. They can at the worst get a draft pick for him. At best, he just stays retired. TT has already said they would not release him, because it would make no sense for the team to do that. Favre to an AFC team seems like the only way he's getting out of there.

[kutulu 1,676]

Why on earth would they let him walk? They've got a valuable commodity in Favre. They can at the worst get a draft pick for him. At best, he just stays retired. TT has already said they would not release him, because it would make no sense for the team to do that. Favre to an AFC team seems like the only way he's getting out of there.

 

 

Cause he has thier balls in a vice.

[Belushi 9]

Cause he has thier balls in a vice.

 

Other way around. The Packers have all the cards. Favre's options are to be a backup or sit on his farm. He can't make the team do anything.

[kutulu 1,676]

Other way around. The Packers have all the cards. Favre's options are to be a backup or sit on his farm. He can't make the team do anything.

 

Yeah, Farve as a backup will go over well.

[CornKobb 48]

along with the circus and distraction this will cause the team .....

[Ace08 11]

Even though I'm not too fond of Favre...it's hard not to see he has leverage here.

 

While an outright release is not likely...the fact still remains that once Favre is reinstated the Packers are on the hook for ALL of his ridiculous $12 million salary. They also have to consider he's going to be disgruntled, unhappy, and probably disruptive as a backup on the roster. To make matters worse due to his tenure and familiarity with the players it's inevitable that some of the veteran players will eventually start voicing their displeasure with "their leader" riding the bench. Things such as this tend to divide teams in two...

 

Not pretty. Here's a question I have for anyone that knows....I think it's pretty obvious at this point that the team that REALLY wants Favre is Minnesota with whom the Packers would be reluctant to negotiate with. What's to stop the Vikings from involving a 3rd team....say the Jets or someone else and having THEM trade for Favre. The Vikings would probably then have to pay through the nose (2nd round pick) to this third team who would immediately send Favre to the Vikings. I know this would probably cause alot of bad blood between the Vikings and Packers front office but other than that are there any rules to forbid this?

[pfunk12 0]

Other way around. The Packers have all the cards. Favre's options are to be a backup or sit on his farm. He can't make the team do anything.

 

 

You really think the Packers want favre on their bench as a backup? How destructive would that be to the team's psyche? Worst case for the Pack is they get lowballed a 4th or 5th rounder as compensation, they pass on it waiting for something better, and then they have to release favre. there is no way mccarthy or thompson wants favre on the team, or they wouldn't have told him to stay away the last 3 days. so they have to suck it up and accept a crappy offer, or let favre walk.

[Belushi 9]

Even though I'm not too fond of Favre...it's hard not to see he has leverage here.

 

While an outright release is not likely...the fact still remains that once Favre is reinstated the Packers are on the hook for ALL of his ridiculous $12 million salary. They also have to consider he's going to be disgruntled, unhappy, and probably disruptive as a backup on the roster. To make matters worse due to his tenure and familiarity with the players it's inevitable that some of the veteran players will eventually start voicing their displeasure with "their leader" riding the bench. Things such as this tend to divide teams in two...

 

Not pretty. Here's a question I have for anyone that knows....I think it's pretty obvious at this point that the team that REALLY wants Favre is Minnesota with whom the Packers would be reluctant to negotiate with. What's to stop the Vikings from involving a 3rd team....say the Jets or someone else and having THEM trade for Favre. The Vikings would probably then have to pay through the nose (2nd round pick) to this third team who would immediately send Favre to the Vikings. I know this would probably cause alot of bad blood between the Vikings and Packers front office but other than that are there any rules to forbid this?

 

Sounds like collusion if you have two teams agreeing to trade for a player after he has been dealt by the Packers, unless the Packers know about it up front. And if they know about it up front, they wouldn't do the trade. I don't think that will work.

 

And as for Favre having allot of leverage, I think once its made plain to him that he's not going to get released and his only options are as a backup/trade to AFC/stay retired, I think he'll just have to live with one of those. There's no way the Packers just release him. Worst case, he's a backup to Rodgers, who's not the healthiest guy. They would rather have the distraction that he causes than let him go to the Vikings and have it bite them. I don't see any way that he'll get released. If you were the GM, would you really want to let him go to a rival team in your division? I can't see them doing that no matter how much of a fuss Favre makes. It would just be stupid. At some point in the season a QB will get injured. If you have to wait until mid-season to move him, it's still better than him going to the Vikings, Bears, or Lions.

 

As for his salary, they're way under the salary cap and can easily afford it. However, I still think something will get done before the season starts.

[Sho Nuff 720]

along with the circus and distraction this will cause the team .....

 

because there is no circus there now?

no matter what happens its a circus at this point

 

-If Brett shows up and is the backup, and Rodgers plays poorly...the should have played Brett chants will come out.

-If Brett gets traded/released, and Rodgers plays poorly...the should have kept Brett chants will come out.

 

Of course that will not be from all...or even most real fans mind you.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Even though I'm not too fond of Favre...it's hard not to see he has leverage here.

 

While an outright release is not likely...the fact still remains that once Favre is reinstated the Packers are on the hook for ALL of his ridiculous $12 million salary. They also have to consider he's going to be disgruntled, unhappy, and probably disruptive as a backup on the roster. To make matters worse due to his tenure and familiarity with the players it's inevitable that some of the veteran players will eventually start voicing their displeasure with "their leader" riding the bench. Things such as this tend to divide teams in two...

 

Not pretty. Here's a question I have for anyone that knows....I think it's pretty obvious at this point that the team that REALLY wants Favre is Minnesota with whom the Packers would be reluctant to negotiate with. What's to stop the Vikings from involving a 3rd team....say the Jets or someone else and having THEM trade for Favre. The Vikings would probably then have to pay through the nose (2nd round pick) to this third team who would immediately send Favre to the Vikings. I know this would probably cause alot of bad blood between the Vikings and Packers front office but other than that are there any rules to forbid this?

 

What is stopping that double trade scenario is any trade would likely include provisions preventing such things.

[Sho Nuff 720]

You really think the Packers want favre on their bench as a backup? How destructive would that be to the team's psyche? Worst case for the Pack is they get lowballed a 4th or 5th rounder as compensation, they pass on it waiting for something better, and then they have to release favre. there is no way mccarthy or thompson wants favre on the team, or they wouldn't have told him to stay away the last 3 days. so they have to suck it up and accept a crappy offer, or let favre walk.

 

According to Favre they told him to stay away..according to Thompson it was Favre's idea to give the team some time.

[pfunk12 0]

According to Favre they told him to stay away..according to Thompson it was Favre's idea to give the team some time.

 

 

Yeah, the whole thing is a she said/she said. It's ugly for both sides, and I just happen to think the favre has the slightest of advantages, if only because he could make things VERY uncomfortable if he shows up to camp.

[Phurfur 70]

Even though I'm not too fond of Favre...it's hard not to see he has leverage here.

 

While an outright release is not likely...the fact still remains that once Favre is reinstated the Packers are on the hook for ALL of his ridiculous $12 million salary. They also have to consider he's going to be disgruntled, unhappy, and probably disruptive as a backup on the roster. To make matters worse due to his tenure and familiarity with the players it's inevitable that some of the veteran players will eventually start voicing their displeasure with "their leader" riding the bench. Things such as this tend to divide teams in two...

 

Not pretty. Here's a question I have for anyone that knows....I think it's pretty obvious at this point that the team that REALLY wants Favre is Minnesota with whom the Packers would be reluctant to negotiate with. What's to stop the Vikings from involving a 3rd team....say the Jets or someone else and having THEM trade for Favre. The Vikings would probably then have to pay through the nose (2nd round pick) to this third team who would immediately send Favre to the Vikings. I know this would probably cause alot of bad blood between the Vikings and Packers front office but other than that are there any rules to forbid this?

 

 

Too bad he is not a team player; he would make a great BU and will see playing time if Rodgers is injury prone like everyone says. Of course then his precious consecutive game streak will be broken.

[Larry David 20]

According to a source with knowledge of the trade talks, Brett Favre has refused to speak to any of the teams the Packers have identified as possible trade partners, making it unlikely one of those teams would risk giving away a draft pick or a player for someone who might retire again if he doesn't like the trade. If the Packers can't find a trading partner willing to meet their demands and Favre follows through on his decision to return to the NFL, the future Hall of Fame quarterback could be in a green and gold uniform Friday playing backup to Aaron Rodgers. That's something neither side wants, but it would be the next stage in the game of dare that Favre and the Packers are playing. (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)

 

What an a$$hole. He retires and the team moves on and now he's basically saying I won't talk to any possible trade partners so either release me or make me a $12 million backup which translates to "Release me or make me the starter" since he knows there's no way they're going to pay him $12 million to hold a clipboard. But here's the thing Brett, you would have been the starter BUT YOU RETIRED!!! And why should they release you? You're under contract. Either stay retired or play football with another team. It's like trying to negotiate with my 2 year old. The concept of compromise is beyond him and he just wants what he wants and that's it.

[kutulu 1,676]

According to a source with knowledge of the trade talks, Brett Favre has refused to speak to any of the teams the Packers have identified as possible trade partners, making it unlikely one of those teams would risk giving away a draft pick or a player for someone who might retire again if he doesn't like the trade. If the Packers can't find a trading partner willing to meet their demands and Favre follows through on his decision to return to the NFL, the future Hall of Fame quarterback could be in a green and gold uniform Friday playing backup to Aaron Rodgers. That's something neither side wants, but it would be the next stage in the game of dare that Favre and the Packers are playing. (Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel)

 

What an a$$hole. He retires and the team moves on and now he's basically saying I won't talk to any possible trade partners so either release me or make me a $12 million backup which translates to "Release me or make me the starter" since he knows there's no way they're going to pay him $12 million to hold a clipboard. But here's the thing Brett, you would have been the starter BUT YOU RETIRED!!! And why should they release you? You're under contract. Either stay retired or play football with another team. It's like trying to negotiate with my 2 year old. The concept of compromise is beyond him and he just wants what he wants and that's it.

 

Yeah, but he never "officially" retired so he has an out. He should put the screws to the Packers. As a NY Giant fan I am thankful they did not sign Moss as I doubt we get past GB in the NFC Championship, but if I was Farve I would be bitter that they didn't step up to the plate on the Moss deal.

[Phurfur 70]

Yeah, but he never "officially" retired so he has an out. He should put the screws to the Packers. As a NY Giant fan I am thankful they did not sign Moss as I doubt we get past GB in the NFC Championship, but if I was Farve I would be bitter that they didn't step up to the plate on the Moss deal.

 

 

Neither did the Giants and the GB receivers are better the NYG receivers. It is probably because the NYG QB does not think he is a GM who cries when he doesn't get his way.

 

Will someone just put this baby to bed.

[kutulu 1,676]

and the GB receivers are better the NYG receivers.

 

That is up for debate.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yeah, but he never "officially" retired so he has an out. He should put the screws to the Packers. As a NY Giant fan I am thankful they did not sign Moss as I doubt we get past GB in the NFC Championship, but if I was Farve I would be bitter that they didn't step up to the plate on the Moss deal.

 

Why do you doubt that?

NE had Moss and you beat them.

Was Moss going to cover Burress in that NFC Title game?

Was he going to open up more holes in the running game?

Was he going to call the offensive plays better than that coaching staff did running longer patterns than they had run all year when the weather was that crappy?

Was he going to be out there for Jarrett Bush and fall on the fumble rather than trying to pick it up?

Was he going to not throw the ball to the inside on an out route?

[kutulu 1,676]

Was he going to open up more holes in the running game?

 

 

Actually, yes. And it doesn't matter what I think...it's what Farve thinks and I am pretty sure he can't help but think "What if?"

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

What if the Bucs/Jets trade for Farve and then send him to the Vikes for a ton of picks...

[Skinny_Bastard 157]

What if the Bucs/Jets trade for Farve and then send him to the Vikes for a ton of picks...

[Belushi 9]

What if the Bucs/Jets trade for Farve and then send him to the Vikes for a ton of picks...

 

Thanks for posting twice. Read the posts above where we already discussed this.

[ieatchickens 0]

Yeah, but he never "officially" retired so he has an out.....

 

Ummm then explain to me why Favre had to submit his reinstatement?

[kutulu 1,676]

Ummm then explain to me why Favre had to submit his reinstatement?

 

Brett can make up sh1t and so can I.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

It is probably because the NYG QB does not think he is a GM who cries when he doesn't get his way.

 

The San Diego Chargers may disagree with you.

[BMoney 0]

because there is no circus there now?

no matter what happens its a circus at this point

 

-If Brett shows up and is the backup, and Rodgers plays poorly...the should have played Brett chants will come out.

-If Brett gets traded/released, and Rodgers plays poorly...the should have kept Brett chants will come out.

 

Of course that will not be from all...or even most real fans mind you.

 

 

no one really yells to disrupt practice either way...

 

but youre saying only real fans stay quiet and agree with everything the team does?...not i..i can cheer the rodgers miscues.. i just say im applauding the defense...i know this is a HUGE mistake and theres no need to stay quiet on the subject...

[9-Route 0]

1--due to the short time frame and need for a somewhat immediate solution, what if minnesota is the team that offers the far and away best trade offer?? on the one hand, it is ultimately their choice which offers to accept and decline; on the other hand, justifying decling the best offer?

 

2--if indeed favre gets there (minnesota), that squad would resemble the 97-98 denver broncos a lot: the storied qb taking a somewhat 'sideseat' as the eye-candy, while riding the legs of the young stud running back straight to the title.

[Sho Nuff 720]

no one really yells to disrupt practice either way...

 

but youre saying only real fans stay quiet and agree with everything the team does?...not i..i can cheer the rodgers miscues.. i just say im applauding the defense...i know this is a HUGE mistake and theres no need to stay quiet on the subject...

 

No...Im saying the real fans would not be the ones saying bring brett back the first bad pass Rodgers throws.

And there will be some who do in the preseason and first few games of the regular season.

Real fans realize Favre threw quite alot of bad passes and that it happens. Real fans realize that yelling for Brett does not hurt Thompson, it only might get to Rodgers and affect the team.

 

And who cares what you cheer for...you claim to be a seahawks fan...but I have my doubts given how you have been quite possessive with the Packers this offseason. That last beatdown in the playoffs finally get to you?

[Gepetto 1,368]

When Aaron Rodgers plays like Alex Smith, then what does Thompson and Murphy do? They get thrown out of Green Bay.

 

Tarvaris Jackson is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers.

 

2008 prediction: Vikings 2 Wins vs. the Packers.

[Sho Nuff 720]

When Aaron Rodgers plays like Alex Smith, then what does Thompson and Murphy do? They get thrown out of Green Bay.

Tarvaris Jackson is a better QB than Aaron Rodgers.

 

2008 prediction: Vikings 2 Wins vs. the Packers.

 

What have you seen that makes you think that?

I have yet to see any evidence of Jackson being any better than Alex Smith, Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, Vince Young (hell, Id take Vince way over Jackson)...hell...I don't even know if Jackson is any better than Brian Brohm or Matt Flynn.

[Gepetto 1,368]

What have you seen that makes you think that?

I have yet to see any evidence of Jackson being any better than Alex Smith, Rex Grossman, Kyle Orton, Vince Young (hell, Id take Vince way over Jackson)...hell...I don't even know if Jackson is any better than Brian Brohm or Matt Flynn.

 

I think he throws a nice spiral. And he's the closest runner to Randall Cunningham and Vick I've seen in this league. Really reminds me of Vick they way he runs so effortlessly. He's got a strong arm. He's young and still developing. From everything I've heard and read he picks up things quickly and is continuing to work really hard. Once he cuts down on mistakes I think he could really help the Vikings.

[BMoney 0]

No...Im saying the real fans would not be the ones saying bring brett back the first bad pass Rodgers throws.

And there will be some who do in the preseason and first few games of the regular season.

Real fans realize Favre threw quite alot of bad passes and that it happens. Real fans realize that yelling for Brett does not hurt Thompson, it only might get to Rodgers and affect the team.

 

And who cares what you cheer for...you claim to be a seahawks fan...but I have my doubts given how you have been quite possessive with the Packers this offseason. That last beatdown in the playoffs finally get to you?

 

 

no, i told you..I live close to the stadium..so Im closer to this team than you are..its not as if I have to wait for the paper to come out to get some news..im here..and no..the snow game didnt hurt me..im pulling for the qb who lit seattle up..ive been a favre diehard since the 92-93 years when my friends and i would see him at mcswiggins serving beers to us...plus ive seen TTs act in seattle..im not 1 to automatically go with the organization with every move they make...

 

i dont care if u are bothered by me trying rattle aaron or not...im here..i cheer for seattle but my taxes go to the packers..so yeah..i have a real interest..as for what outsiders think? we dont care...but u are entitled to say whatever, i guess...

 

and the yelling isnt bothering the team..they want favre back...

[berven 0]

You know, like most people here in Packerland, I supported management at first. Favre gives a teary, Lou-Gehrig-style farewell, fills Wisconsin stores with "So long, Brett" shirts and coffee table books chronicling his storied career, and then changes his mind weeks later. How can you plan a season around a QB who comes and goes at will?

 

Lately, though, I find my sentiments shifting because of management's ineptness. They're claiming that Favre is such a lethal weapon that they won't release him to a rival, and want a first-rounder for him; at the same time, they don't want him QBing their team. There is an inconsistency here. I wish they'd either release him outright or eat sh!t and let him start.

 

Rodgers has talent, but he appears to have the durability of a Yugo. Thompson's nightmare must be that he trades Favre, Rodgers goes down in the preseason, he finds himself stuck with rookies, and has to bring Rodney Peete out of retirement for opening day. If the team regresses this year, Thompson will fear going to the Green Bay Red Owl. Although often lauded as "the greatest fans in the world," those rednecks up there can turn on you witha vengeance.

[kutulu 1,676]

Packers | Team to listen to offers for Favre from division rivals?

Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:27:36 -0700

 

Adam Schefter, of NFL Network, reports the Green Bay Packers are willing to listen to offers for QB Brett Favre from NFC North team if the price is right. The Packers have yet to talk to any NFL North team about the possibility.

 

[cheeseboy 0]

those rednecks up there can turn on you witha vengeance.

Don't forget they hung Dan Devine's dog after the Hadl trade didn't pan our

 

And by "they" I mean "we" since I was living in GB at the time...I was 5, but still...collective guilt...

[L_O_D 1]

As far-fetched as a Favre to the Vikes scenario might be, I am still curious to know the answer to the question. How WOULD it impact the value of ADP??

 

Out of 30+ responses, only one comment answers the question and it is a smart a$$ reply (not that there is anything wrong w/ that necessarily).

 

My answer:

 

For a PPR Player in the 2 hole, assuming LT goes w/ the bullet, I believe this removes any doubt about having Westy or SJax ahead of ADP in your rankings.